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AMERICAN INDIANS—CONVERVATIVE ESTIMATES OVER 50 MILLION
§ 40 MILLION IS SOVIET GULAGS FOR
o 15 MILLION Chines killed by Red China
§ 7,000,000 during the Saracen slaughters in Spain.
§ 2,000,000 Saxons and Scandinavians lost their lives opposing the introduction of Christianity.
§ 30 MILLION BLACKS TO SLAVERY DIED ENSLAVED
In American Holocaust (1992), David Stannard estimates that some 30 to 60 million Africans died being enslaved. He claims a 50% mortality rate among new slaves while being gathered and stored in Africa, a 10% mortality among the survivors while crossing the ocean, and another 50% mortality rate in the first "seasoning" phase of slave labor. Overall, he estimates a 75-80% mortality rate in transit.
David Barrett, Todd Johnson, Justin Long
World Christian Encyclopedia (2001): This book is the standard reference work for religious statistics of all kinds, and both Britannica and the World Almanac cite from it. It has a single page [http://gem-werc.org/gd/gd16.pdf] estimating the number of martyrs since the origin of each religion:
§ Muslim martyrs: 80M
§ Christian martyrs: 70M
The Black Book of Communism is not an objective source by far.Courtois' book The Black Book of Communism documents the world-wide twentienth century toll as being 94 million. Liberal historian critics, inverterate communist apologists, try to shave off five million here or ten million there. There are no ifs, ands, or buts - communists are the peerless murderers of all human history.
So the Aztecs, Incas, Lakota, etc. etc. just died out from disease and other indirect ways? I must have had bad history teachers.the natives were killed indirectly, disease, etc.
That was generally around 7-15mil. Mostly Ukrainians.40 million that died from the Russian State religion of Communism
Don't forget others persecuted and killed too. Gypsies, homosexuals, communists, socialists, shy people, others not deemed "Aryan", etc. etc.6 million Jews--aka the Holocaust
Comrade Brian said:The Black Book of Communism is not an objective source by far.
American said:How about Stalin killing 100,000,000?
There are many who consider themselves "communist" and many, maybe a majority, are punk kids who are just calling themselves that for fun, without knowing anything. Or Stalinists. But also ex-"communists" are also not dependable, just as anyone else. Also I don't care who wrote it, just because some certain group wrote it doesn't make it credible.How so? Written by ex-communists - seems credible to me.
NO VOTE !
You, beyond the rim, are trying something ludicrous.
Any genocide is utterly disgusting.......
So the murder of countless innocents vs. other countless innocents can somehow be worse? You're a frightening human being, beyoindtherim.
beyondtherim55008@yahoo.c said:earthworm:
Yes, it was an experiment; but why are you so mad at me? Does our media/education system talk of genocides other than the primary Holocaust (movie after movie, book after book, tv shows, interviews, etc.); very rarely, so is that disgusting and what are you doing about it? I don't see any mass movement leftist, centrist, rightist or whatever you want to call it calling attention to all genocides. Talk about with your family and co-workers and friends and see what genocide they care about, I'm sure it will end pretty disgusting for you. And ask all those conservatives about the holocaust and Israel and why they vote for that sympathy; but not another--good luck.
There are many who consider themselves "communist" and many, maybe a majority, are punk kids who are just calling themselves that for fun, without knowing anything. Or Stalinists. But also ex-"communists" are also not dependable, just as anyone else. Also I don't care who wrote it, just because some certain group wrote it doesn't make it credible.
alphamale said:The book is loaded with references and citations. What is your list of errors in the book? Come on - speak up - let's hear it.
beyondtherim55008@yahoo.c said:earthworm:
Yes, we live in a frightening world when only one genocide is plugged for profit and ploys of power
Comrade Brian said:Never read it. So I can't make any detailed report on it. But I do remember that the book takes most of its "deaths" from Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. Neither which are communists.
beyondtherim55008@yahoo.c said:When you vote, comment if you want; if you voted a lesser number (of victims) than another Genocide of a higher number; state why you think your lesser number Genocide is justified. Thank you.
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The death of vast numbers of the Native Americans (though they are no more native than you or I) was not intentional the majority died from disease and starvation not through systematic slaughter. In fact just as many native Americans died at their own hands as they did in clashes with the evil white man. To label it a genocide is to invalidate and downplay the severity of the very word itself.
alphamale said:The indians set the terms of interaction with the euro settlers from the very beginning as warfare: Columbus first settlement, Natividad, on the island of Hispaniola, the first recorded settlement in the new world, was wiped out by the indians. The indians took on a technologically superior civilization - very bad move.
alphamale said:Sick. Makes me think of the people who say Hitler wasn't a fascist, he was a national socialist.
Did you ever read Orwell's 1984? Reds actually DO practice doublethink!
And if it was indeed genocide ie the systematic slaughter of an entire ethnic group then why are there more indiginious peoples alive in the Americas now then there was in 1492?
the systematic killing of all the people from a national, ethnic, or religious group, or an attempt to do this
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