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Nothing you said is backed by any of your links.
Right, barely used - is not synonymous with not discovered.
Remember that's what you said, Did you forget -
Quite the contrary, barely used - means that it was used but barely. Is English your first language?
So that's one BS claim you made dismissed.
What from your initial posts does this link prove?
From your own source.
So we have established that the only thing you are good at is mining for links that you think support your claims, but actually don't.
How intriguing.
A forum? That's your source?
This is the equivalent of me quoting from stormfront to prove that all whites are disgruntled angry racists.
Though I speculate that you have an account on that site so I doubt you would have any qualms with me quoting from there.
From your own source:
I'm just loving your dishonesty. Are you seriously trying to implicate that the choices made by a few in one country - not even the entire country, somehow reflect that of an entire continent?
Jesus Christ. Lol That's some serious fallacy.
Ok. What's your point? You made the claim that the Entire continent of Africa has always been a mess and then in an attempt to desperately try to substantiate that ridiculous claim you offered nothing but isolated Incidences. Nothing that would suggest that Africa is comprised of witch craft, baby raping, Neanderthals like you are trying to insist.
I'm sorry - you're going to have to try harder than that.
you still have not proven this claim.
Lolz if your own PC mantra is going to prevent you from recognizing the facts thats not my problem.
Its bass ackwards on its best day.
lol you saw my rebuttal and you couldn't find a single intellectual refutation in your mental faculties to come up with.
This turd of a response is a novel try though.
Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved? Assume that all black Americans in the country today were the descendants of people who willingly immigrated to the United States under various conditions (some came b/c of war back home, others wanted a new experiences, etc.).
We obviously cannot answer this question definitively, but I would like people's thoughts on the matter regardless. Responding with "we can never really know", "there's just too many factors to come up with an answer" or similarly defeatist answers is not welcomed in this thread. This is a thought experiment, not a dissertation defense.
So, again, given the narratives you use to explain racial inequality, your perceptions of black Americans and other factors, where do you think that the black population in the United States would be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?* Would they have the same employment, education, crime and other rates as White Americans? Would they be in the same position they are in now?
*Note : I realize that not every black American in the United States is a descendant of slaves. This question addresses the ones that are. I hope that takes care of all the red herrings.
Or I just know when to save the keystrokes. Your post was full of emotion and its clear you don't want to recognize the facts in africa.
BTW-I provide medical care in remote mexican villages, and many I work with have served in Africa as well, its worse than Ive said or what you can imagine.
Africa is Africa.
I didn't read the OP.
I didn't read the OP.
I didn't read the OP.
I didn't read the OP.
I didn't read the OP.
Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved? Assume that all black Americans in the country today were the descendants of people who willingly immigrated to the United States under various conditions (some came b/c of war back home, others wanted a new experiences, etc.).
We obviously cannot answer this question definitively, but I would like people's thoughts on the matter regardless. Responding with "we can never really know", "there's just too many factors to come up with an answer" or similarly defeatist answers is not welcomed in this thread. This is a thought experiment, not a dissertation defense.
So, again, given the narratives you use to explain racial inequality, your perceptions of black Americans and other factors, where do you think that the black population in the United States would be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?* Would they have the same employment, education, crime and other rates as White Americans? Would they be in the same position they are in now?
*Note : I realize that not every black American in the United States is a descendant of slaves. This question addresses the ones that are. I hope that takes care of all the red herrings.
Well, since the question specifically asked if AFRICANS LIVING IN AMERICA weren't descended from slaves, I'll have to assume "They would still be in Africa" isn't an answer to the question. They would be much better off, for the most part. Every ethnic group that immigrated here willingly tends to do better as the generations go by, except for Africans, the only race taken here against their will. And the Africans that did come here willingly tend to do much better economically than the descendants of slaves.
The obvious conclusion is that they would be doing just as well as anybody else if it wasn't for the method by which their ancestors arrived.
Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved? Assume that all black Americans in the country today were the descendants of people who willingly immigrated to the United States under various conditions (some came b/c of war back home, others wanted a new experiences, etc.).
We obviously cannot answer this question definitively, but I would like people's thoughts on the matter regardless. Responding with "we can never really know", "there's just too many factors to come up with an answer" or similarly defeatist answers is not welcomed in this thread. This is a thought experiment, not a dissertation defense.
So, again, given the narratives you use to explain racial inequality, your perceptions of black Americans and other factors, where do you think that the black population in the United States would be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?* Would they have the same employment, education, crime and other rates as White Americans? Would they be in the same position they are in now?
*Note : I realize that not every black American in the United States is a descendant of slaves. This question addresses the ones that are. I hope that takes care of all the red herrings.
Ah, so black people should be grateful that their ancestors were subjected to brutal slavery that resulted in beating, rape, murder and other heinous crimes against humanity because now they get to have Big Macs. Awesome.
Well, since the question specifically asked if AFRICANS LIVING IN AMERICA weren't descended from slaves, I'll have to assume "They would still be in Africa" isn't an answer to the question. They would be much better off, for the most part. Every ethnic group that immigrated here willingly tends to do better as the generations go by, except for Africans, the only race taken here against their will. And the Africans that did come here willingly tend to do much better economically than the descendants of slaves.
The obvious conclusion is that they would be doing just as well as anybody else if it wasn't for the method by which their ancestors arrived.
See for a poor person it is not so easy to just move to another country.
Most of these people descended from slaves would be stuck in Africa and their lives would suck because Africa sucks.
Being born in the USA is like winning the lottery.
Is this why the Irish underachieve?.
USA! USA! USA!
Well, since the question specifically asked if AFRICANS LIVING IN AMERICA weren't descended from slaves, I'll have to assume "They would still be in Africa" isn't an answer to the question. They would be much better off, for the most part. Every ethnic group that immigrated here willingly tends to do better as the generations go by, except for Africans, the only race taken here against their will. And the Africans that did come here willingly tend to do much better economically than the descendants of slaves.
The obvious conclusion is that they would be doing just as well as anybody else if it wasn't for the method by which their ancestors arrived.
I disagree. The Africans that have come to America "willingly" are basically traitors to Africa. Why did they move to America? Probably because Africa sucks. And if they have the ability to move to America then we can assume that most of these people come from a background of security and education. The fact that they came to America from Africa tells you that they consider America to be a better place to live than Africa. Most of the people that come from slaves would not have the ability in modern times to move themselves from Africa to America. What percentage of Africans have the ability to just move to America do you think? Less than 1%? It couldnt be many. See for a poor person it is not so easy to just move to another country. Most of these people descended from slaves would be stuck in Africa and their lives would suck because Africa sucks. So the fact that they came to America as slaves and became American is a good thing and has made them better off. Being born in the USA is like winning the lottery. Thanks to slavery these Africans won the lottery.
What you say is beyond ridiculous. This nonsense about Africans that have come to America willingly tend to do better. Why do you think that is? Can a poor and uneducated African easily move to America? Of course not. So what kind of Africans are coming? Of course they will tend to do better than a minority that underachieves in US society.
You honestly think that because some black person had an ancestor that was a slave hundreds of years ago is disadvantaged by that? That is absurd. Is this what is wrong with Irish people? Vikings used to like to get hot white Irish slave girls from Ireland and sell them to wealthy Southern Europeans and Muslims. If they were extra hot they would get a nice collar. Ireland was the best source of hot white sex slaves for a long time.Is this why the Irish underachieve?
edit- It is interesting with the collars. I had the same idea for those guys at Sugardaddy.com. Like expensive collars for high value sugarbabies. And when I read that Vikings did that I kind of felt bad.
edit- But watch a Charlie XCX clip. Soon young sugarbabies will happily wear collars. It will be a symbol of ease and security. Not something to be ashamed of. And the nicer the collar, the better the contract the sugarbaby has. Why should a sugarbaby be ashamed of her blessings and ease?
Lets get drunk on the minibar!
edit- who is to say what is a slave and what is not anyway?
USA! USA! USA!
It's an undeniable fact that the vast majority of the Black people in the USA are the descendents of Blacks who were brought here from Africa as slaves..
This is not President Obama's ancestry. Even Harry Reid noted he isn't really like the vast majority of black Americans, which is accurate because he definitely isn't, even by heritage.
Yeah, this is why I asked Goshin for a source. The belief that "Africa has always been a mess" is a product of white supremacist history lessons that have been dominant in American history. The accomplishments of African civilizations were pretty much erased from history taught in Americans schools until Carter G. Woodson among others demanded that Black history become part of the curriculum. Africa's history is just as rich as everyone else's history. It genuinely saddens me that many people still don't know that.
Na its always been a mess. Few written languages, some places hadn't discovered the wheel until it was introduced there in the 19th century. Many still believe things like ebola are caused by witchcraft, some think chants make them bulletproof, and some think raping a baby cures aids.
I'd call it a mess.
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