nathanjames1791
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No because it is. You are exhibiting your usual understanding and knowledge about things you argue, which is nil to none.
What is surprising is that by now one would have thought that you will attempt to seek out some of the talked about points and inform yourself before making a fool of yourself.
perhaps you should read some of them instead of looking at them.
Humana Vitae.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
But to be fair, sexual activity is permitted but it is very difficult if not impossible to draw the line between desire and that is why one would have sex outside procreation and some other reason.
Thanks for the frank reply.Ok the first one is talking about the points of marriage NOT sex.
The second, yeah youve got to make life in marriage, yeah yeah, but it never says that you have to stop having sex when you are no longer able.
The third again says that you should have sex to make babies but doesnt condone you for having sex when you are not able.
Also I might out the humana vitae is just a writing by a pope and not even included in catholic doctrine. Also it was written for the purpose of stopping contraceptives, thats it.
The last one from the catachism is just saying dont have sex for only lust, which I said was wrong before.
You are however right that it can be really hard to figure this all out
Ok the first one is talking about the points of marriage NOT sex.
The second, yeah youve got to make life in marriage, yeah yeah, but it never says that you have to stop having sex when you are no longer able.
The third again says that you should have sex to make babies but doesnt condone you for having sex when you are not able.
Also I might out the humana vitae is just a writing by a pope and not even included in catholic doctrine. Also it was written for the purpose of stopping contraceptives, thats it.
The last one from the catachism is just saying dont have sex for only lust, which I said was wrong before.
You are however right that it can be really hard to figure this all out
No because it is. You are exhibiting your usual understanding and knowledge about things you argue, which is nil to none.
What is surprising is that by now one would have thought that you will attempt to seek out some of the talked about points and inform yourself before making a fool of yourself.
perhaps you should read some of them instead of looking at them.
Humana Vitae.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
But to be fair, sexual activity is permitted but it is very difficult if not impossible to draw the line between desire and that is why one would have sex outside procreation and some other reason.
The Church, nevertheless, in urging men to the observance of the precepts of the natural law, which it interprets by its constant doctrine, teaches that each and every marital act must of necessity retain its intrinsic relationship to the procreation of human life.
I did not expect you to fully grasp all of it, but I do appreciate the irony of your cherry picking while ignoring the later part of the paragraph you chose.
Unless you can take you pinky and stick it in someone's ass and create life, sex is the only aspect of marital life that leads to procreation.So, only sex is a marital act?
Unless you can take you pinky and stick it in someone's ass and create life, sex is the only aspect of marital life that leads to procreation.
You really have no ability to follow along a discussion do you? Why not just stay out of it if you are unable to participate with anything relevant or intelligent? In the least you should have the basic decency no to misrepresent Church doctrine.It does not say it must result in procreation, it says it must maintain it's relationship....that means no birth control. That's all.
Pick away, Cherry man.
I have to agree. If there is a God, I'm willing to bet he could point at someone with a finger gun and yell bang and they'd be pregnant.So, an omnipotent God -who can facilitate the Immaculate Conception (according to Catholics anyway) and the Virgin Birth-this all powerful being is going to let a thin piece of latex stop conception from happening?
I find that hard to believe.
You really have no ability to follow along a discussion do you? Why not just stay out of it if you are unable to participate with anything relevant or intelligent? In the least you should have the basic decency no to misrepresent Church doctrine.
Let me help your pathetic floundering here. The issue arose about whether sex was OK if the couple knew that conceiving is not possible. Now go and have that explained to you along with why ****ing while fully knowing that conception is not possible is in fact NOT meeting the requirement that: "each and every marital act must of necessity retain its intrinsic relationship to the procreation of human life."
I have to agree. If there is a God, I'm willing to bet he could point at someone with a finger gun and yell bang and they'd be pregnant.
I still dont think that means that once you can no longer have kids you can't have sex. Just saying it eventually becomes impossible (or never is possible) to continue focusing on having kids. That doesn't mean suddenly there is a ban on sex or something.I did not expect you to fully grasp all of it, but I do appreciate the irony of your cherry picking while ignoring the later part of the paragraph you chose.
You really have no ability to follow along a discussion do you? Why not just stay out of it if you are unable to participate with anything relevant or intelligent? In the least you should have the basic decency no to misrepresent Church doctrine.
Let me help your pathetic floundering here. The issue arose about whether sex was OK if the couple knew that conceiving is not possible. Now go and have that explained to you along with why ****ing while fully knowing that conception is not possible is in fact NOT meeting the requirement that: "each and every marital act must of necessity retain its intrinsic relationship to the procreation of human life."
Lmao I agree I could totally see how that would be a blast.This is my new favorite superpower. I would use it all the time.
It needs to be clarified that well over 90% of American support using contraceptions and, overall, the Pope's and management of the Catholic Church are at diametric odds with Catholics on nearly all "sex" and "children" topics.
The result is seen in many ways. From 1965 when Catholics attending services was at about 75%, it now dropped to 3 out of 4 no longer attend. The number of priests and nuns in the USA has fallen to about 1/3rd what is was in 1965 - and half of those are literally over age 70. The USA Catholic "management" is literally dying of old age with no replacements. Many if not most new priests in the USA have to be imported now - and there are not enough of those to even come close to covering all Catholic churches.
Claiming that Catholics oppose contraceptives is totally false. American Catholics overwhelmingly support contraceptives.
Some people, such as myself, claim that want defines a church is the people of it. Others such as Nathan claim it is who holds the land deed to the building.
Really? Is that what you understood from it? Which words mention birth control?The passage talks about not using birth control, not about not having sex if you can't conceive.
Was it? Where is the reference and even if it was how does that negate the very meaning of the sentence: "each and every marital act must of necessity retain its intrinsic relationship to the procreation of human life." Show me how having sex fully knowing that conception is not possible meets the requirement of that directive.Again the whole book was written about various types of contraceptives!
He hasn't been right for a very long time.So mac was right and that was all it was talking about.
Really? Is that what you understood from it? Which words mention birth control?
You know, that is the problem. Far too many proclamation of exclusion and damnation instead of demonstration of love, compassion and forgiveness.Who cares!
American catholics have, for the large majority, fallen away from the churches teachings. We know! In fact we talked about it extensively like 20 pages back. These people are no more catholic than you are.
Yet as you can see here there are interpretations.Also I would apreciate you back off. I simply know what the church teaches. Its proven fact. Grab a catachism and read it. We catholics have defined set of beliefs that we have written down so that anyone can learn them.
Who cares!
American catholics have, for the large majority, fallen away from the churches teachings. We know! In fact we talked about it extensively like 20 pages back. These people are no more catholic than you are.
Also I would apreciate you back off. I simply know what the church teaches. Its proven fact. Grab a catachism and read it. We catholics have defined set of beliefs that we have written down so that anyone can learn them. Just becuase some catholics dont read said book does not take away from the fact that is what the church teaches.
Besides, you seem to despise the Catholic church so why do you care?
Really? Is that what you understood from it? Which words mention birth control?
I guess, I cant argue that.Hmmm, its just an age-old question about religion - is it the worldly organization or the members of it that defines which is the true "church?"
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