MaggieD
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It's the fault of the shooter.
When you grow up in an urban area it's too risky to report crime. You learn very quickly to mind your own. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but it is what it is. You don't want to be labeled a snitch.
What do you expect them to do?It just seems sooooo sad to me that moms/dads don't rise up to protect their own. A little girl jumping rope. A little boy riding his bike. A couple of kids sitting on the porch. The stories are heartbreaking.
Except it's rarely that simple. I support law enforcement but I am the first to mention that there are people on the police force that give the uniform a bad name. Cops that dont care, cops that are here for a power trip. These cops are rare, but they poison other people's minds against the police and makes them hesitant to trust.But if people refuse to help the police, what can the police do? As someone said on another thread here, "When seconds count, remember....the cops are only minutes away."
What do you expect them to do?
Except it's rarely that simple. I support law enforcement but I am the first to mention that there are people on the police force that give the uniform a bad name. Cops that dont care, cops that are here for a power trip. These cops are rare, but they poison other people's minds against the police and makes them hesitant to trust.
Keep in mind, a lot of these poor areas have many immigrants in them. Many of these immigrants come from places where police are not to be trusted.
It isnt that easy. When tattling can get you or your family shot at, you think twice. It's easy to criticize people for not standing up when its not your neck thats being risked. What you're doing is ragging on people who generally dont have much to begin with to risk everything for the sake of the community.In many communities, neighbors have set up Community Watch Programs. Stickers on signs to call the cops about suspicious activity. These urban neighborhoods are not much different than the Wild West, and the sheriff can't do it alone.
I think it's less apathy and more fear and I fail to see how you can justify blaming someone for not wanting to speak out if the consequences are possible injury or death. It's the same reason a lot of people join gangs, you do it for protection, not just the lifestyle.Get rid of apathy in these neighborhoods and these thugs couldn't survive. People are afraid to step up, yet they don't move from these neighborhoods and let their children die. I blame the neighborhoods and the apathetic people living in them as much as I blame the gangsta's.
It isnt that easy. When tattling can get you or your family shot at, you think twice. It's easy to criticize people for not standing up when its not your neck thats being risked. What you're doing is ragging on people who generally dont have much to begin with to risk everything for the sake of the community.
Except we arent a society that values the community above the individual, we value the individual above the community. Thank you free market economy?
I think it's less apathy and more fear and I fail to see how you can justify blaming someone for not wanting to speak out if the consequences are possible injury or death. It's the same reason a lot of people join gangs, you do it for protection, not just the lifestyle.
Hardly a week goes by but a young child is killed by gang gunfire in the City of Chicago. It's generally accidental random shootings. These crimes are most often not solved because people in the neighborhoods are afraid to speak up.
I understand they're afraid...but is this not partly their own fault?
I could list link after link, but this one will have to do:
9-Year Old Caught In Crossfire & Killed Playing Jump Rope In Chicago [Video] « Hip-Hop Wired
This is why gun control is a failure. They restrict ownership of weapons to law abiding citizens while the criminals will have guns. The public is left defenseless.
If more people had firearms the bad guts would think twice.
It's also a right but it gets more and more restricted.
Even though I'm a huge supporter of gun rights, I think it has less to do with that and more to do with the community culture.
No snitching and "screw the police" attitudes do way more harm than good.
Absolutely agree. I would add one more factor. Moms who disregard the lives of their children. If you live in a neighborhood where a child can get killed playing outside, don't let your kids play outside. Or move.
Absolutely agree. I would add one more factor. Moms who disregard the lives of their children. If you live in a neighborhood where a child can get killed playing outside, don't let your kids play outside. Or move.
Wrong. It's not possible for everybody to just move. And you can't coop a kid up in the house 24/7.
No. A lot of people were born in their neighborhoods and are too poor to move. Stop blaming the victims. That's what's wrong with America. People blame the victims.
As far as not being able to report crime that's why I support the right to bear arms. If tge people could defend themselves it wouldn't be an issue.
It's worse to report it because you're put at risk by not only those involved but others after people know you talk to to police.
What criminals count on is a public that's unarmed. If they knew the public was as armed as they are they'd think twice. Shooting back at the shooter is not as dangerous to your safety as being labeled a snitch.
Getting married has nothing to do with anything.
It's worse to report it because you're put at risk by not only those involved but others after people know you talk to to police.
What criminals count on is a public that's unarmed. If they knew the public was as armed as they are they'd think twice. Shooting back at the shooter is not as dangerous to your safety as being labeled a snitch.
Getting married has nothing to do with anything.
You're right. My bad. How 'bout just wanting a dad in the house? One who's actually *yikes* working?
No I'm not saying having two parents at home doesn't help. I agree. But if you look at the divorce rates today so many couples get divorced these days so it still creates a single parent household as one parent usually has tge kid more of the time.
Maybe I misunderstood your post.
It just seems sooooo sad to me that moms/dads don't rise up to protect their own. A little girl jumping rope. A little boy riding his bike. A couple of kids sitting on the porch. The stories are heartbreaking.
But if people refuse to help the police, what can the police do? As someone said on another thread here, "When seconds count, remember....the cops are only minutes away."
To Spud -- if you had little children and somebody shot your daughter and you KNEW that your neighbors knew who did it, wouldn't you blame them, too?
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