Where do you stand on abortion/deathpenalty?

[Thorgasm]

Some people have said they are pro life and pro choice.......

You missed my point, as usual. Nobody is pro-death. I was simply making light of the fact that pro-life is more marketable than anti-abortion. The prefix "anti" has negative connotations. It's simple marketing semantics.

 

[Navy Pride]

You missed my point, as usual. Nobody is pro-death. I was simply making light of the fact that pro-life is more marketable than anti-abortion. The prefix "anti" has negative connotations. It's simple marketing semantics.

That is your opinion, to me anti abortion is pro life and pro choice is pro abortion.......

 

[Thorgasm]

That is your opinion, to me anti abortion is pro life and pro choice is pro abortion.......

Is being pro-death penalty also pro-life?

 

[Navy Pride]

Is being pro-death penalty also pro-life?

I can't speak for everyone but it is in my case.............What you bleeding hearts tend to forget is someone that gets the death penalty, rape, mutilated, or murdered someone....

That little baby that you bleeding hearts are so fond of killing committed no crime or hurt anyone......He or she justs wants a chance to live like you got....

You have all the compassion in the world for rapists and murderers..Where the hell is your compassion for that poor defenseles baby in the womb???????

 

[Hornburger]

I can't speak for everyone but it is in my case.............What you bleeding hearts tend to forget is someone that gets the death penalty, rape, mutilated, or murdered someone....

That little baby that you bleeding hearts are so fond of killing committed no crime or hurt anyone......He or she justs wants a chance to live like you got....

You have all the compassion in the world for rapists and murderers..Where the hell is your compassion for that poor defenseles baby in the womb???????

What's the difference? The guy's going to be locked up in jail his whole life.

Keeping him in jail is just a cheaper way of removing him from society.

 

[Navy Pride]

What's the difference? The guy's going to be locked up in jail his whole life.

Keeping him in jail is just a cheaper way of removing him from society.

The only reason its cheaper is because of the ACLU and the liberal judicial......You want to cut the cost down limit the time on death row to 2 years not the over 20 years it is now........That would solve the problem......

 

[Thorgasm]

I can't speak for everyone but it is in my case.............What you bleeding hearts tend to forget is someone that gets the death penalty, rape, mutilated, or murdered someone....

That little baby that you bleeding hearts are so fond of killing committed no crime or hurt anyone......He or she justs wants a chance to live like you got....

You have all the compassion in the world for rapists and murderers..Where the hell is your compassion for that poor defenseles baby in the womb???????

What compassion is anyone showing those who will spend the rest of their life in prison. You should visit a maximum security prison sometime. What you namecallers tend to forget is that you don't know what a fetus (not a baby)wants. What you namecallers also forget is that "bleeding hearts" don't kill and are not fond of it. Nice try at spinning the issue. It is a choice issue. I will never have an abortion and will never perform one. I will defend a woman's right to make that choice though.

 

[Navy Pride]

What compassion is anyone showing those who will spend the rest of their life in prison. You should visit a maximum security prison sometime. What you namecallers tend to forget is that you don't know what a fetus (not a baby)wants. What you namecallers also forget is that "bleeding hearts" don't kill and are not fond of it. Nice try at spinning the issue. It is a choice issue. I will never have an abortion and will never perform one. I will defend a woman's right to make that choice though.

Yous ask any prisoner on death row which he would prefer being executed or spending the rest of their life in prison..To the man they would say life in prison is better then dying.....There is a scumbag right now on death row in California who killed 4 people trying to get his death sentence commuted....Why do you think that is?

When your sentenced is commuted to life without chance of parole there is hope.......There is always some chance down the road some liberal judge will think he is rehabilitated and release him to rape and murder again....If your sentenced to death there is no hope.........

Another thing I have a huge problem giving these scum cable TV, a weight room and Playboy magazines fro the rest of their sorry life......That would not bother me to much if the bleeding hearts paid for all the sum perks and not my tax money..........Why don't you see what you can do about that?

 

[Navy Pride]

What compassion is anyone showing those who will spend the rest of their life in prison. You should visit a maximum security prison sometime. What you namecallers tend to forget is that you don't know what a fetus (not a baby)wants. What you namecallers also forget is that "bleeding hearts" don't kill and are not fond of it. Nice try at spinning the issue. It is a choice issue. I will never have an abortion and will never perform one. I will defend a woman's right to make that choice though.

OK, what if I am right and you are wrong........If I am right and I know I am life begins at conception....If I was wrong then a clump of cells would be destroyed.........If I am right then its slaughter in the womb........Think about it..........

I have no clue if your a God fearing person or not but if you are you will answer to him for your callous aproach to human life.........

 

[Thorgasm]

Yous ask any prisoner on death row which he would prefer being executed or spending the rest of their life in prison..To the man they would say life in prison is better then dying.....There is a scumbag right now on death row in California who killed 4 people trying to get his death sentence commuted....Why do you think that is?

When your sentenced is commuted to life without chance of parole there is hope.......There is always some chance down the road some liberal judge will think he is rehabilitated and release him to rape and murder again....If your sentenced to death there is no hope.........

Another thing I have a huge problem giving these scum cable TV, a weight room and Playboy magazines fro the rest of their sorry life......That would not bother me to much if the bleeding hearts paid for all the sum perks and not my tax money..........Why don't you see what you can do about that?

He claims his innocence. I know, they all do. But a small percentage might be innocent. Illinois let a bunch out because of cops in the county I live were beating confessions out of them falsely.

I am not compassionate for inmates. They do have too many perks. That is the fault of liberal judges.

 

[Thorgasm]

OK, what if I am right and you are wrong........If I am right and I know I am life begins at conception....If I was wrong then a clump of cells would be destroyed.........If I am right then its slaughter in the womb........Think about it..........

I have no clue if your a God fearing person or not but if you are you will answer to him for your callous aproach to human life.........

I am an atheist. I have never killed anyone. Can you say the same?

 

[Navy Pride]

He claims his innocence. I know, they all do. But a small percentage might be innocent. Illinois let a bunch out because of cops in the county I live were beating confessions out of them falsely.

I am not compassionate for inmates. They do have too many perks. That is the fault of liberal judges.

He claims his innocence. I know, they all do.

Thank you........

As for that grandstand play by the governor in Illinois he was already in deep kimchee and was leaving office..Can you say "Slick Willie."? and the people he commuted were not set free.........

 

[Navy Pride]

I am an atheist. I have never killed anyone. Can you say the same?

That explains quite a bit.............

I am not and atheist and I have killed in war........In my defense though it was because if I did not kill him he would have killed me........

Would you kill under those circumstances?

 

[Thorgasm]

That explains quite a bit.............

I am not and atheist and I have killed in war........In my defense though it was because if I did not kill him he would have killed me........

Would you kill under those circumstances?

Inmates were set free due to police corruption/brutality. This was not the gov.'s doing. Yes the governor was on his way out and did commute all death sentences due to the said police corruption/brutality. Do you know what party the governor belonged to?

Yes I would kill in self-defense, without hesitating. You label me a liberal. I don't label myself that way. I do have a lot of liberal ideas though.

 

[Navy Pride]

Inmates were set free due to police corruption/brutality. This was not the gov.'s doing. Yes the governor was on his way out and did commute all death sentences due to the said police corruption/brutality. Do you know what party the governor belonged to?

Yes I would kill in self-defense, without hesitating. You label me a liberal. I don't label myself that way. I do have a lot of liberal ideas though.

They were not set free, there sentences were commuted.......And yeah I know what party the governor was in........He was a crooked republican.......Your point is?

As far as labeling you a liberal all I have to go by is how you post.........

For the life of me though I can't understand why you people hate that label......I myself am a die hjard conservative and wear my conservatism as a badge of glory.........

 

[Thorgasm]

They were not set free, there sentences were commuted.......And yeah I know what party the governor was in........He was a crooked republican.......Your point is?

As far as labeling you a liberal all I have to go by is how you post.........

For the life of me though I can't understand why you people hate that label......I myself am a die hjard conservative and wear my conservatism as a badge of glory.........

Yes, I meant to say that three were set free, not all of them, my mistake.

I am an independent. "You people" love to pigeonhole people with labels. I don't fear guns. I believe in personal responsibility. I believe in being fiscally conservative. That is why I don't like being labeled.

 

[doughgirl]

"I'm glad to hear you are conscious of the very young seeing these pictures."

If someone gets mouthy or says things just to make us mad............I grab these pictures so fast..........then they get scared...........they usually walk away fast. Then I usually say something like, "You cant take it anyway," and they usually come back. This does not happen a lot. Most people are very open and they want to learn. I have had grown men cry at the booth. Most people are quiet and ask good questions.

We have models of babies at different gestational ages.........starting at 1 day............they look so real.........we also have a counter that changes every time a woman has an abortion ...........this is very effective....

But I have to say, I wouldnt and havent hestitated to haul those pics out....
when I've needed them...........but never to a child that young.

 

[Hornburger]

The only reason its cheaper is because of the ACLU and the liberal judicial......You want to cut the cost down limit the time on death row to 2 years not the over 20 years it is now........That would solve the problem......

Would that be enough time to solve the "gray area" cases?

I'm just not sure about how long such investigations take...and knowing how foolproof the evidence has to be...

 

[Hoot]

Yes there are many people who do not think abortion is bad and use it for birth control. Look at Guttmaucher statistics. Look particularly at the stats on repeat abortions. Look at some posters on here...........what they are really saying is "Gee I know abortion kills............BUT IT STILL IS OK, MURDER IS OK BECAUSE THE UNBORN IS SO SMALL AND IS NOT VIABLE. AND ITS ONLY A TINY HEART THAT IS BEATING........A WOMAN HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL HER OWN CHILD, JSUT BECAUSE THAT CHILD IS USING HER BODY TO GROW.

You don't have to shout. The only people who would possibly consider using abortion for birth control are the underpriviledged...those that simply can't afford any other alternative.

Do you think personally abortion is murder? Do you know when the heart beats of the child in the womb? Do you think anyone has the right to stop this heart?

It doesn't matter what I personally think. I believe in a womans right to choice. I do not believe in sending the poor back into the coat hanger alleys of yesteryear.

Besides...to use an old phrase..."It's game over, Dude."

As I said before, with RU-486, the morning after pill, Plan B, or whatever, you are never going to stop abortions in this country. The Pro-Life side has lost...game over.

If you're that concerned about abortion, you should concentrate your efforts at programs that prevent pregnancy in the first place.

There are many laws that are on the books to protect us. Stealing for one. Would it be ok if someone who needed food broke into your home and took what you had?

Why don't you answer that, Doughgirl? Would it be ok if the burglar was a woman who didn't abort her child and needed food to help her baby?

Drugs......Why shoudlnt all drugs be legalized? Why shoudlnt someone be able to both seel and buy drugs, if it has no affect on anyone? Its their body.

I think most drugs should be legalized...certainly decriminalyzed.

Prostitution.......why not make that legal.........

Now, you're talking.

The difference about abortion is..........abortion stops a heart from beating........now you tell me what that is?

I won't argue with that, but if you are serious about abortion being murder, then get with the programs that prevent pregnancy in the first place, because, abortion is never going away...pills will be sold on the black market...like an oz. of pot. How do you propose stopping that? Throw a few more billion at the problem...and let future generations foot the bill?

 

[Hoot]

Hoot, talk about a hypocrtical stance.......You say you want the government out of our life when it comes to the death penalty but you want it in our life when it comes to abortion and Roe V Wade.......

What's hypocritical about it?

I don't believe government can legislate morals, which is what Roe v Wade prevents. You're the one who pretends the right is for smaller government, yet everything they propose is larger and more intrusive.

I'm also pro-right to die. The GOP really blew it with the Schiavo case, didn't they?

In my area, we have stores called Walgreens..basically what used to be called 'drug-stores.' Recently, a few pharmacists have been given paid leave of abscenses because they refused to fill prescriptions for women seeking 'plan-b, the morning after pill.' Their consciences wouldn't allow them to fill a legal prescription for a pill they believe is murder.

Fine, then step aside and let another pharmacist fill the presription...I'm fine with that...otherwise, find another line of work. Sometimes, even birth control pills are prescribed for medical reasons other then preventing pregnancy. Who are these pharmacists to presume to know more about a patient and their needs then their attending physician?

What's next?

Customer in a drug store: "Excuse me, Mr. Pharmacist, could you tell me where the aspirin is? "

Right Wing Wacko Pharmacist: ' Sorry sir, I can't allow you to have any aspirin...God meant for you to have that headache. By Experiencing this pain, you'll learn to appreciate the good tidings and love of my Lord and Savior. Have a nice day, Sir."

 

[doughgirl]

“The only people who would possibly consider using abortion for birth control are the underpriviledged...those that simply can't afford any other alternative.”

This is simply not true. You need to research this. Go to Guttmaucher on the web.
Type in your search engine abortion statistics………….then click on the first one………


Here is a sample….
• Approximately 1,370,000 abortions occur annually in the U.S. according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute. Click here to see the approximate number of abortions in the U.S. per year from 1973-1996. In 2001, 1.31 million abortions took place.
• 88% of abortions occur during the first 6 to 12 weeks of pregnancy.
• 60% of abortions are performed on women who already have one or more children.
• 47% of abortions are performed on women who have already had one or more abortions.
• 43% of women will have had at least one abortion by the time they are 45 years old (this statistic includes miscarriages in the term "abortion").
• 25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want to postpone childbearing.
• 21.3% of women cannot afford a baby.
• 14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their partner does not want a child.
• 12.2% of women are too young (their parents or others object to the pregnancy.)
• 10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their education or career.
• 7.9% of women want no (more) children.
• 3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to fetal health.
• 2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to maternal health.
http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats.htm

Coat hangers? Do you know what percent of woman ever died or used coat hangers……….less than 1%.
This is a lame line used by those who think killing the unborn is ok.

“The Pro-Life side has lost...game over”

It might seem that way honey…………but it’s never over. We work hard in this area…….and in the end we will win. It’s the biggest debate going on in the country today…….and we that value life in all areas……..WILL NOT GO AWAY.
We will always be there reminding those who condone the slaughter what they are really doing. In the end you will have to be accountable for the view and stance you take. You can look at your God if you have one and tell him that you did NOTHING.

“I won't argue with that,”

Right there you really admitted that abortion is murder, that stopping a heart…….is wrong. Then you say but it doesn’t matter……..its ok.

“but if you are serious about abortion being murder, then get with the programs that prevent pregnancy in the first place, because, abortion is never going away..”

Because abortion has always been around lets make it legal? Man oh man……….Rape has to but do we want to make that legal?

 

[doughgirl]

"I don't believe government can legislate morals, which is what Roe v Wade prevents."

But they do legislate morals. Look at our laws..........


"What's next?

Customer in a drug store: "Excuse me, Mr. Pharmacist, could you tell me where the aspirin is? "

Right Wing Wacko Pharmacist: ' Sorry sir, I can't allow you to have any aspirin...God meant for you to have that headache. By Experiencing this pain, you'll learn to appreciate the good tidings and love of my Lord and Savior. Have a nice day, Sir."

These circumstances are not the same.
Cant you understand that for some....abortion is taking a life, that it is murder?
You cant tolerate that view can you? Its a joke. You dont value life so abortion is nothing. And anyone who wont join the slaughter, is whacko? You lable all Christians wackos because some are agaisnt abortion?
I work in this field and many of the people against abortion are athiests, and are from different faiths. Any moron can see that abortion is murder............its just some dont give a crap.

 

[Navy Pride]

Yes, I meant to say that three were set free, not all of them, my mistake.

I am an independent. "You people" love to pigeonhole people with labels. I don't fear guns. I believe in personal responsibility. I believe in being fiscally conservative. That is why I don't like being labeled.

Well when it comes to Abortion you don't seem to believe in personal responsibility.......

 

[Navy Pride]

Would that be enough time to solve the "gray area" cases?

I'm just not sure about how long such investigations take...and knowing how foolproof the evidence has to be...

Sure it would be enough time but OK extend it to 5 years........This guy in California Tookie Williams has been on death row since 1979.....That is 26 years.....That is totally unacceptable...........

 

[Navy Pride]

You don't have to shout. The only people who would possibly consider using abortion for birth control are the underpriviledged...those that simply can't afford any other alternative

Hoot, that is such a crock.........There are women having abortions every day becasue of accidental pregnancies........That is using abortion for birth control plain and simple...........