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So, what you are really asking is how long is it until we have total anarchy? How long until nobody gives a damn about anything at all anymore?
What I said was absolutely true,
We do not have to do anything of the sort. I do not recognise them as equal, nor will they ever be, sorry. I am not going to lie, am not going to just bow to that whim either. The marriages you referenced were all between one man and one woman... you have no idea what your system that you say does no damage will do...not one iota of information but yet we are just to go ahead and do it because who, you? say its fine? It is screwing up kids minds right now, all this confusion you folk sew, all the misery so that a few can be content for a few moments... sorry, your gimme gimmee I want I want childishness of your political persuasion has to grow up someday.
This is that day.
I see that social conservatives in this thread are deliberately misrepresenting my position, which is: that it would be more profitable, both politically and programmatically, for social conservatives to emphasize a monogamous relationship structure for straights and gays alike, and to fight promiscuity by both, than to continue trying to exclude one from the family social form.
In Louisiana, no married couple--gay or straight--has that protection.
That is entirely false. Read up on usufruct. If you die in Lousiana, your surviving spouse has rights to the house until they die. Furthermore, the state assumes that with married couples, the surviving spouse gets the house if there are no children. So in essence, gay couples that aren't married, and want to be, have to do more in other to get the same protections that the state assumes for straight couples.
Changing all of society would mean requiring all married couple to have wills, should they want to leave their possesions to their spouse.
What is being proposed is not changing all of society, it is allowing more couples to be apart of society. I do appreciate your empathetic outllook though. I can only assume you are not Christian.
Hopefully never, but for sure never in my circles.I meant to post "family structures", as even the most dispossessed homosexual has a biological family, but I reached the cut-off point.
My question is pretty simple: how long will it take until socially conservative mass movements, no longer strictly bound to the Baby Boomer literalist evangelism that has defined them for four decades, accept gay marriage (and a gay family unit that exists in precisely mirrored fashion to the heterosexual family) as part of their rhetoric?
What you said isn't reality at all.
And yes you're free to speak, no matter how ignorant the speaking is, and no one says otherwise. However, everyone is free to tell you just how wrong you are. It's how it works.
No, they don't. I've already had a parent die, in Louisiana, so I have a little more experience with it than you.
Usufruct of Surviving Spouse Article 890 said:If the deceased spouse is survived by descendants, the surviving spouse shall have a usufruct over the decedent’s share of the community property to the extent that the decedent has not disposed of it by testatement. This usufruct terminates when the surviving spouse dies or remarries, whichever occurs first.
Usufruct to Surviving Spouse.Article 1499 said:“The decedent may grant a usufruct to the surviving spouse over all or part of his property, including the forced portion, and may grant the usufructurary the power to dispose of nonconsumables as provided in the law of usufruct. The usufruct shall be for life unless expressly designated for a shorter period.”
Usufruct, Surviving Spouse (Louisiana) Law & Legal Definition
Again, this is a protection granted ONLY to married straight couples and NOT available to gay couples because they are barred from getting married.
Conclusion: You once again prove you have absolutely no idea what it is you're talking about.
How are they going to say I am wrong, or that my view of future reality is wrong...they are not prophets and neither are you. You lefties have brought so much misery to the world and you do not even know it... study your history man, study... ignorance is a word you bandy about, and yet your prove no knowledge of the past, you show no sapience, no understanding of the unintended consequences to your thoughtless actions as we go forward...
You didn't even read what you posted. Did you?
A surviving spouse has a usufruct over any community property inherited by a deceased spouse’s descendants under Louisiana intestate law;
A deceased person’s surviving parents have a usufruct over any separate property of a deceased person who doesn’t have descendants when that property is inherited by the decedent’s siblings under Louisiana intestate law; and
Parents of minor children have a usufruct over any property inherited by the child (but not over property received by lifetime gift).
A usufructuary can use, possess, and administer the property, as well as collect the income, utility, profits, and other advantages produced from the property. When the usufruct ends, however, the surviving spouse will need to account to the naked owners for use of the assets.
A will is still required to leave your spouse your belongings;
For some reason, I think the Government will continue to exist with gay marriage. I could be wrong though, and prohibition of gay marriage could be the only thing between us and Somalia. I somehow doubt it though.
Here it is in simple terms for you:
What is a Usufruct? Usufructs and Naked Ownership Under Louisiana Law
Again, this is ASSUMED BY THE STATE upon death, something which is NOT done for gay couples because under LA state law, can't get married - is a direct refutation of this statement:
Are you for real?
“The decedent may grant a usufruct to the surviving spouse over all or part of his property, including the forced portion, and may grant the usufructurary the power to dispose of nonconsumables as provided in the law of usufruct.
So, what you are really asking is how long is it until we have total anarchy? How long until nobody gives a damn about anything at all anymore?
This is from your first source.
You posted it and didn't actually comprehend it. Not me.
Yes, but usufruct is ASSUMED for MARRIED couples upon decease of a partner. Which is (for the 5th time) not available to gay people as they can not get married in the first place. What that part of the statement says is that the extent of the usufruct can also be determined by the partner beforehand. Are you seriously not comprehending this?
“The decedent may grant a usufruct to the surviving spouse over all or part of his property, including the forced portion, and may grant the usufructurary the power to dispose of nonconsumables as provided in the law of usufruct.
Its not just gay marriage, its the blizzard like onslaught of such unreflected change to society...
In my opinion humans can only withstand and adapt to so much change. With much of this change being counterproductive, the strain is greater....this desire to be anti all that has gone before and that has withstood the tests of time, well... I for one am glad I am getting older and hope the whole thing that is surely gonna collapse, does so after I go. I will fight it to the end as I have a debt of gratitude to those who can before and want to pay it forward for our posterity. I was given much having hit the lottery just by being born in this still great country... but the generation before and my generation have done great damage to this place and I feel sorry for those having to come up in the future very uncertain years...
No, it's not.
Again, you posted it yourself:
Not my fault that you can't read your own information.
A surviving spouse has a usufruct over any community property inherited by a deceased spouse’s descendants under Louisiana intestate law
May 9, 2012
Here in Louisiana, we have a unique form of property ownership known as a Usufruct. A usufruct is an ownership right in property that allows the owner to “use” and profit from the property, however a usufruct cannot determine what happens to property after termination of the usufruct right. Usufructs are seen most often between spouses when one spouse passes away. With a usufruct, the surviving spouse has the right to use the deceased spouses property for the remainder of their lives or until they get remarried depending on the circumstances. After the surviving spouse dies, the property subject to usufruct then passes automatically to individuals known as the “naked owners” (children of the deceased are most often the naked owners of property subject to usufruct).
A usufruct can be left to a surviving spouse as a part of your will or it may be through intestacy if you pass away without a will.
Dude, go back and read your first post to me, you didn't say all forms of property, you said they could not leave behind property [ and they most certainly could leave behind property in a will, undeniable] ... so listen or read what you said, I responded to that. Can't you follow your own posts?No. It is is not, as I enumerated forms of property which can't be passed down from one gay partner to another regardless of whether there is a will or not.
Okay there Eragon, listen - it's this simple. Tell me which part of society would change if gays were recognized as being legally married? Which part of our bureaucracy? If you can't, you're just making things up to fit an rabidly homophobic agenda. :shrug:
No, not anything. If everything to you is based on the relationship gay people have with their children, and that relationship being legitimized legally leads to anarchy, I fear you have jumped into the deep end.
I think you are blowing this way out of proportion. There isn't any huge change involved in society to accept gay people as normal. It's a minor adjustment. Gay people have always existed, and official oppression against them has been neutralized. All that remains is that people let go of prejudices. Our country is great for this. I am not so bleak in my outlook of our notion's future. I think the best times are yet to come. All times are uncertain.
Unfortunately, the old gay liberationists/ActUP/queer politics folks of the 1970s through the 1990s have conceded defeat. All they want now is to get married and grow conservative. No anarchy to be had, alas.
Listen, we already had this battle previously, you lost and could not handle it before, so not gonna rock your dainty little boat again for fear you would capsize and drown in a sea of puppy dog tears...
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