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When should a business be legally allowed to be able to refuse service to a customer?
1) Anytime they want, for any reason.
2) For things the customer can control, i.e. dress, attitude, hygiene, etc., but not for things they cannot control, i.e. sex, race/ethnicity, etc.
3) Never.
4) Somewhere in between. (Please elaborate)
When should a business be legally allowed to be able to refuse service to a customer?
1) Anytime they want, for any reason.
2) For things the customer can control, i.e. dress, attitude, hygiene, etc., but not for things they cannot control, i.e. sex, race/ethnicity, etc.
3) Never.
4) Somewhere in between. (Please elaborate)
Isn't it sad that we have to quantify these things? None of your choices work for me, actually.
I rather like the Fair Housing legislation guidelines. It forbids discrimination based on age, sex, family status, race, religion, sexual orientation and a few more I don't remember offhand. Your choice #2 ones closest, but it would not cover religious discrimination since that is a choice.
My vote is to clearly delineate in the way Fair Housing laws have done.
It is sad, I agree.Isn't it sad that we have to quantify these things? None of your choices work for me, actually.
I rather like the Fair Housing legislation guidelines. It forbids discrimination based on age, sex, family status, race, religion, sexual orientation and a few more I don't remember offhand. Your choice #2 ones closest, but it would not cover religious discrimination since that is a choice.
My vote is to clearly delineate in the way Fair Housing laws have done.
Absolutely correct, the question is seeking people's opinions on how the law SHOULD BE.Anytime they want, for any reason. I realize that isn't the current law but the question asked about what the law SHOULD be.
While I do think such laws were justified in the past, I think we have progressed enough that they are no longer necessary. In today's internet world public shaming is usually enough.
A Christian bakery should be able to refuse gay clients. A restaurant should be able to refuse to serve Trump supporters. A believer should be able to refuse to serve me because I am an atheist. This does not apply to government institutions and public services.
With some exceptions, public accommodation laws should be repealed. Those exceptions apply to businesses that provide essential services in areas in which there are no or few alternatives.
Depends on where it is to some extent, but in general I don't believe that for a second.I think it's your business and you should server whomever you see fit. Let the market decide. In this modern age, a restaurant that doesn't serve blacks would be out of business in 5 mins.
Should the deed to your house restrict certain races/ethnicity from owning it, if you so desire as the current owner?I like the right to determine who I sell my house too. :shrug: What gets me more than not having the right to saying no for any reason though is that realtors go out of their way to keep you ignorant of who you're selling your house to. That to me is complete ****ing bull**** and something I can't tolerate much at all. This might shock people but knowing who you're doing business with is important.
Should the deed to your house restrict certain races/ethnicity from owning it, if you so desire as the current owner?
But if you put it in the deed, you are also dictating what the next owner can and/or cannot do. It's one thing to choose for yourself when you sell, it's quite another to try and dictate what others do after you're out of the picture.Yes. I'm the owner of the property and I see no reason why I can't determine on my own who I sell it too.
But if you put it in the deed, you are also dictating what the next owner can and/or cannot do. It's one thing to choose for yourself when you sell, it's quite another to try and dictate what others do after you're out of the picture.
Depends on where it is to some extent, but in general I don't believe that for a second.
Depends on where it is to some extent, but in general I don't believe that for a second.
Really? You don't think public shaming and protests wouldn't close them down? Or at the very least inclusive competition? You have a rather poor opinion of your fellow man. I wouldn't be caught DEAD in a resturaunt that didn't server blacks or was whites or Asians or XXX only.
Even if public shaming and protests did shut them down the damage would have already been done. Someone would have suffered an act of bigotry.
When should a business be legally allowed to be able to refuse service to a customer?
1) Anytime they want, for any reason.
2) For things the customer can control, i.e. dress, attitude, hygiene, etc., but not for things they cannot control, i.e. sex, race/ethnicity, etc.
3) Never.
4) Somewhere in between. (Please elaborate)
I’m pretty sure you are free to privately sell your house (or not) to anyone you want. If you’re going through a realtor though, wouldn’t they have the right to do business with anyone they want too? If you don’t like their policies around who they sell to and how much information they give you about it, you’re free to find another realtor or handle the sale yourself.Yes. I'm the owner of the property and I see no reason why I can't determine on my own who I sell it too.
My opinion of my fellow man fluctuates. I often see good, and I do believe that most people are basically decent. But, there are a lot of assholes out there, too.Really? You don't think public shaming and protests wouldn't close them down? Or at the very least inclusive competition? You have a rather poor opinion of your fellow man. I wouldn't be caught DEAD in a resturaunt that didn't server blacks or was whites or Asians or XXX only.
Yeah, but that was an animal. People like animals. Professional mercenaries go abroad and shoot other people and don't get called out on it.A dentist can't even go overseas to shoot a lion without being shamed out of business.
I like the right to determine who I sell my house too. :shrug: What gets me more than not having the right to saying no for any reason though is that realtors go out of their way to keep you ignorant of who you're selling your house to. That to me is complete ****ing bull**** and something I can't tolerate much at all. This might shock people but knowing who you're doing business with is important.
I am a retired Realtor. Very successful career. I witnessed more discrimination from people with an attitude like yours* than I care to admit. I witnessed families in fear and tears due to the discrimination they THOUGHT they would encounter. My profession has a rather ugly history thanks to attitudes like yours*. Steer Jews to "their own neighborhoods." Same with Blacks. Sell to a Black or a Jew in the wrong neighborhood and kiss your career goodbye. What an ugly history.
Realtors don't want to keep you apart from the people who made an offer on your house for some nefarious reason. They keep you apart because it's just a matter of time before one or the other party says something REALLY STUPID. I used to joke that I could count down from ten in those rare situations where they stood toe to toe and BEFORE I GOT TO 1, one or the other party would **** up.
As for "knowing who you're doing business with" when it comes to buying or selling your home, you don't need to know that at all. And in the brief time you're likely to associate with them (doing it YOUR way), you'd know nothing about them at all anyway. Your only concern as a seller should be can they afford my house? Can they qualify for a mortgage? Am I happy with their offer price? Period.
Skin color, religion, sexual orientation, family status, etc etc shouldn't have a damn thing to do with it.
I think you forgot a thing or two. Like, if you're moving from your old place to a new place but you don't want to leave a Section 8 renter in your old neighborhood. If the guy who's buying the house is a rental property guy, and you know he'll be renting this house out....would you sell to him? I might not. I would at least want the option.
That, my dear Howler, is prejudice.
If you have too many rental properties in a neighborhood of single-family homes, it can cause property prices to stagnate or even drop. That’s because tenants don’t always maintain homes to the level that owners who actually live in the property do. When homes get rundown, the whole neighborhood suffers.
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