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When Pres O was in office, did conservatives do these things?

I can back up everything I wrote, but there is a 5000 character limit.


It's ALL TRUE.

You are seriously blind and deluded.

We are taking over, starting with the house in 2018

Republicans are a cancer on society, and will be removed from power.


Trump gained power by

1. A fluke of the EC system

2. Interstate Crosscheck purged 1.1 million voters, with a flawed software that was biased against minorities

3. Russian intervention.

4. Blatant bullying and lies and an incompetent RNC who could have evicted him from the party on moral grounds.



Trump is a criminal, corrupt, inept, talks like a moron, is laughed at on the world stage, is Putin's stooge, and a threat to national security

Anyone who supports this boob is blind and deluded.

Take as many posts as you feel you can get away with to substantiate your assertions.

Take a new post with 5,000 characters in each substantiation if you must.

But if you dont you will have to live with ignominy for as long as we are all around to remind you.

I'm calling your bluff.

Prove every one or you are a freaking liar.

Come on, you can do it.

LOL

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Trump only made the deluded think they are great.


They are anything but.


You know the problem of taking what is said about you and merely hurling those same accusations at Conservatives?

You expose yourself as the liar when everyone else can see that you are making false accusations.

Trump supporters are able to see the bad side of Trump and weight the veracity of those claims against what we know and love about him.

You guys only know the vitriol and most of it is made up of lies and half truths and myths.

And because you arent very bright or very mature, you are fooled by stuff that sounds good in your devalued estimation.
 
I can't explain whatever bat**** nonsense is running through your head. I'm not a clinical psychologist.

You need to focus on what is important. Children and dim wits all have that same challenge. But I digress.

The issue here is that the examiners tried many different ways to authenticate the document using easier faster and cheaper ways first.

When those failed to explain why the birth certificate had certain irregularities, more stringent and exacting methods were tried. And when those methods failed. They had to go to different experts around the globe and finally tracked down the Xerox machine (which didnt exist when Obama was born) to recreate the process used to create this unique document.

100% certainty.

The Obama birth certificate given by the White House to be forensically examined, is a forgery.

Splain THAT mister master debater.
 
Oh, Trump sincerely disagrees with your assessment. He has told the world that the dumb-asses are part of his base.

Donald Trump declares 'I love the poorly educated'


There ya go "Skippy." How does it feel to have the POTUS tell the world he thinks your friends are bunch of dumb-asses?
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As for the OP, when Obama was in power, did a lot of conservatives cheer on the racist Birther Movement?

Why yes, yes they did.
I for one wanted Obama vetted by the media. He was not. He literally came out of nowhere on to the national stage. The media protected him then, as they are still.

Those who asked questions were quickly dismissed as birthers or racist. I am neither.

The syncophantic reaction to Obama by the media in large part responsible for the resonance of "fake news". It was such a pendulum swing from their coverage of Bush. Funny it swung back as soon as a Republican won.

The difference is that Republicans by in large accepted Obama's election. I accepted it. We hunkered down and weathered the Obama years like we do here a nor'Easter. We went to the polls successfully in 2010 to stop the Obama agenda. (In 2012, Republicans doubling down on stupid, nominated Pierre Delecto)

I remember saying at the time America can survive Obama but we won't survive those that voted for him twice.

Man, how right I was. In hindsight though, so thankful that Mitt Romney did not become president. Winning that battle would have lost the war.

We are in an uncivil civil war. A cold war yet, but it may be as transformative (as the last one) not to mention as bloody, metaphorically. For the first time in a long time the right is fighting back. Republicans in office used to cower in fear at what the left wing media would say about them. No more. Showing the Republican Party how to engage with backbone and exposing fake news may turn out to be his greatest legacy.

We live in interesting times.










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You need to focus on what is important. Children and dim wits all have that same challenge. But I digress.

The issue here is that the examiners tried many different ways to authenticate the document using easier faster and cheaper ways first.

When those failed to explain why the birth certificate had certain irregularities, more stringent and exacting methods were tried. And when those methods failed. They had to go to different experts around the globe and finally tracked down the Xerox machine (which didnt exist when Obama was born) to recreate the process used to create this unique document.

100% certainty.

The Obama birth certificate given by the White House to be forensically examined, is a forgery.

Splain THAT mister master debater.


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Still waiting for video or transcript. Piece of advice: Don't believe everything you read (even when it fits your narrative). It's okay to trust as long as you verify.
P.S. Let us start with the 1st big lie, then we can move on.

We’ll never finish. But if you wish, just search under “Trump’s lies.” Two - three lists available, at least one provides verifications. One that is easy to check is about his electoral college victory, that it was the largest since Reagan. He was beat twice by Obama and Clinton, once by the first Bush. So he had the largest victory since the previous election.

As to the first, I suppose we could start with the pre-election birtherism, and how Trump’s people in Hawaii can’t “believe what they are finding.”

But do you really believe that people would make up the lies?
 
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I for one wanted Obama vetted by the media. He was not. He literally came out of nowhere on to the national stage. The media protected him then, as they are still.

Those who asked questions were quickly dismissed as birthers or racist. I am neither.

The syncophantic reaction to Obama by the media in large part responsible for the resonance of "fake news". It was such a pendulum swing from their coverage of Bush. Funny it swung back as soon as a Republican won.

The difference is that Republicans by in large accepted Obama's election. I accepted it. We hunkered down and weathered the Obama years like we do here a nor'Easter. We went to the polls successfully in 2010 to stop the Obama agenda. (In 2012, Republicans doubling down on stupid, nominated Pierre Delecto)

I remember saying at the time America can survive Obama but we won't survive those that voted for him twice.

Man, how right I was. In hindsight though, so thankful that Mitt Romney did not become president. Winning that battle would have lost the war.

We are in an uncivil civil war. A cold war yet, but it may be as transformative (as the last one) not to mention as bloody, metaphorically. For the first time in a long time the right is fighting back. Republicans in office used to cower in fear at what the left wing media would say about them. No more. Showing the Republican Party how to engage with backbone and exposing fake news may turn out to be his greatest legacy.

We live in interesting times.


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Absolutely true.

Great post.

The Left's plan is to either destroy Trump or trigger a hot civil war which they COULD win.

Not in a match of firepower, because we would prevail there.

But the numbers of misinformed, deranged, alien and treasonous individuals are enough to carry out a resistance movement which they have signalled is their action plan, to outlast our tolerance of bloodshed, danger and destruction in a guerrilla campaign to make US want peace more than they do.

They will see themselves as Sarah and John Connor and Kyle Reese from the Terminator.

And they will continue terrorizing America until the America rebuild will be forced to include Commies and Islamists as the new founding fathers.

And then, on an even playing field, they expect they will prevail over US eventually.
 
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When O was in office did conservatives

1 call him a POS? (well, maybe some they did, but I.. in all those LONG 8 years never heard him called that by one R)
2 accuse him of being a liar over everything he said (well, maybe some they did, but I... in all those LONG 8 years never heard...)
3 call for his impeachment (well, maybe some they did but I.. in all those LONG 8 years never heard..)
4 abuse his Administration staff so they couldn't even eat in a restaurant in peace and quiet (well, maybe some they did but.... [you know the rest])
5 accuse those who voted for him of being in a cult (well, maybe some they did but..)

"BUT" nothing, President Obama faced just as much vitriol as tRump ever has.

I don't get the vitriol and hate..

Neither do I, we are all AmeriCANs and if we don't start acting like it we will lose what we profess to be fighting each other for.

If someone doesn't believe as you do.. why not just shrug your shoulders and say "We are all different..."

The difference, now, is we have a president and administration that think the Presidency should be above the law; our founders would be appalled at the liberties he's taken with the Constitution and his office.

but no... when someone is different, a liberal has is a partisan a meltdown

and turns into a... but then again, they probably already were a.... [fill in the blanks] or they wouldn't act like that under any circumstances

Kinda like this OP. But to answer the question: "did conservatives do these things?"

AbsaByGodLutely YES!
 
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But what happened to the WWII Frenchmen who collaborated with the enemy?

Tell us what happened and how it relates to the lefty resistance to Donald Trump?
Don't be afraid to go into detail when describing how it relates to Democrats and impeachment.

Give us a manifesto!
 
AG Barr says the opposition to President Trump is unprecedented and goes far beyond what can possibly be considered the acts of the loyal opposition.

Attorney General William Barr's comments referring to the Left's dangerous Resistance to Pres. Trump (1 of 3)


As I have said, the Framers fully expected intense pulling and hauling between the Congress and the President.* Unfortunately, just in the past few years, we have seen these conflicts take on an entirely new character.

Immediately after President Trump won election, opponents inaugurated what they called “The Resistance,” and they rallied around an explicit strategy of using every tool and maneuver available to sabotage the functioning of his Administration.*

Now, “resistance” is the language used to describe insurgency against rule imposed by an occupying military power.* It obviously connotes that the government is not legitimate.* This is a very dangerous – indeed incendiary*– notion to import into the politics of a democratic republic.* What it means is that, instead of viewing themselves as the “loyal opposition,” as opposing parties have done in the past, they essentially see themselves as engaged in a war to cripple, by any means necessary, a duly elected government.**

A prime example of this is the Senate’s unprecedented abuse of the advice-and-consent process.* The Senate is free to exercise that power to reject unqualified nominees, but that power was never intended to allow the Senate to*systematically*oppose and draw out the approval process for every appointee so as to prevent the President from building a functional government.

Yet that is precisely what the Senate minority has done from his very first days in office.* As of September of this year, the Senate had been forced to invoke cloture on*236*Trump nominees — each of those representing its own massive consumption of legislative time meant only to delay an inevitable confirmation.** How many times was cloture invoked on nominees during President Obama’s first term?**17*times.* The Second President Bush’s first term?* Four times.* It is reasonable to wonder whether a future President will actually be able to form a functioning administration if his or her party does not hold the Senate.*

Congress has in recent years also largely abdicated its core function of legislating on the most pressing issues facing the national government.* They either decline to legislate on major questions or, if they do, punt the most difficult and critical issues by making broad delegations to a modern administrative state that they increasingly seek to insulate from Presidential control.*

This phenomenon first arose in the wake of the Great Depression, as Congress created a number of so-called “independent agencies” and housed them, at least nominally, in the Executive Branch.* More recently, the Dodd-Frank Act’s creation of the Consumer Financial Protection Branch, a single-headed independent agency that functions like a junior varsity President for economic regulation, is just one of many examples.

Of course, Congress’s effective withdrawal from the business of legislating leaves it with a lot of time for other pursuits.* And the pursuit of choice, particularly for the opposition party, has been to drown the Executive Branch with “oversight” demands for testimony and documents.* I do not deny that Congress has some implied authority to conduct oversight as an incident to its Legislative Power.* But the sheer volume of what we see today – the pursuit of scores of parallel “investigations” through an avalanche of subpoenas*– is plainly designed to incapacitate the Executive Branch, and indeed is touted as such.**

Attorney General William P. Barr Delivers the 19th Annual Barbara K. Olson Memorial Lecture at the Federalist Society's 2019 National Lawyers Convention | OPA | Department of Justice
 
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Attorney General William Barr's comments referring to the Left's dangerous Resistance to Pres. Trump (2 of 3)

The costs of this constant harassment are real.* For example, we all understand that confidential communications and a private, internal deliberative process are essential for*all*of our branches of government to properly function.* Congress and the Judiciary know this well, as both have taken great pains to shield their own internal communications from public inspection.*

There is no FOIA for Congress or the Courts.* Yet Congress has happily created a regime that allows the public to seek whatever documents it wants from the Executive Branch at the same time that individual congressional committees spend their days trying to publicize the Executive’s internal decisional process.* That process cannot function properly if it is public, nor is it productive to have our government devoting enormous resources to squabbling about what becomes public and when, rather than doing the work of the people.

In recent years, we have seen substantial encroachment by Congress in the area of executive privilege.* The Executive Branch and the Supreme Court have long recognized that the need for confidentiality in Executive Branch decision-making necessarily means that some communications must remain off limits to Congress and the public.** There was a time when Congress respected this important principle as well.* But today, Congress is increasingly quick to dismiss good-faith attempts to protect Executive Branch equities, labeling such efforts “obstruction of Congress” and holding Cabinet Secretaries in contempt.

One of the ironies of today is that those who oppose this President constantly accuse this Administration of “shredding” constitutional norms and waging a war on the rule of law.* When I ask my friends on the other side, what exactly are you referring to?* I get vacuous stares, followed by sputtering about the Travel Ban or some such thing.* While the President has certainly thrown out the traditional Beltway playbook, he was upfront about that beforehand, and the people voted for him.*

What I am talking about today are fundamental constitutional precepts.* The fact is that this Administration’s policy initiatives and proposed rules, including the Travel Ban, have transgressed neither constitutional, nor traditional, norms, and have been amply supported by the law and patiently litigated through the Court system to vindication.

Attorney General William P. Barr Delivers the 19th Annual Barbara K. Olson Memorial Lecture at the Federalist Society's 2019 National Lawyers Convention | OPA | Department of Justice
 
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Attorney General William Barr's comments referring to the Left's dangerous Resistance to Pres. Trump (3 of 3)

Indeed, measures undertaken by this Administration seem a bit tame when compared to some of the unprecedented steps taken by the Obama Administration’s aggressive exercises of Executive power – such as, under its DACA program, refusing to enforce broad swathes of immigration law.

The fact of the matter is that, in waging a scorched earth, no-holds-barred war of “Resistance” against this Administration,*it is the Left*that is engaged in the systematic shredding of norms and the undermining of the rule of law.* This highlights a basic disadvantage that conservatives have always had in contesting the political issues of the day.* It was adverted to by the old, curmudgeonly Federalist, Fisher Ames, in an essay during the early years of the Republic.*

In any age, the so-called progressives treat politics as their religion.* Their holy mission is to use the coercive power of the State to remake man and society in their own image, according to an abstract ideal of perfection.* Whatever means they use are therefore justified because, by definition, they are a virtuous people pursing a deific end.* They are willing to use any means necessary to gain momentary advantage in achieving their end, regardless of collateral consequences and the systemic implications.* They never ask whether the actions they take could be justified as a general rule of conduct, equally applicable to all sides.*

Conservatives, on the other hand, do not seek an earthly paradise.* We are interested in preserving over the long run the proper balance of freedom and order necessary for healthy development of natural civil society and individual human flourishing.* This means that we naturally test the propriety and wisdom of action under a “rule of law” standard.* The essence of this standard is to ask what the overall impact on society over the long run if the action we are taking, or principle we are applying, in a given circumstance was universalized – that is, would it be good for society over the long haul if this was done in all like circumstances?

For these reasons, conservatives tend to have more scruple over their political tactics and rarely feel that the ends justify the means.* And this is as it should be, but there is no getting around the fact that this puts conservatives at a disadvantage when facing progressive holy far, especially when doing so under the weight of a hyper-partisan media.


Attorney General William P. Barr Delivers the 19th Annual Barbara K. Olson Memorial Lecture at the Federalist Society's 2019 National Lawyers Convention | OPA | Department of Justice
 
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From <https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-william-p-barr-delivers-19th-annual-barbara-k-olson-memorial-lecture>

Mr. Barr is not only off-topic, he is attempting to homogenize dissimilar things in an effort to normalize violations of constitutional law, that have nothing whatsoever to do with the Travel Ban. It's his fault he avoids dialogue which makes him uncomfortable, but he seems comfortable with one theory which is anathema to every aspect of our democratic constitutional republic and its values, that of the "unitary executive".

King George was a unitary executive, because a unitary executive itself is tantamount to monarchy.
We resisted King George, and as history shows, we were on the right side of history.
Today, Trump is on the wrong side, and Barr is his mercenary Tory, one of many mercenaries employed to undercut the co-equal branches of government.

It won't work. It didn't work the last time either.
Try finding a better source for your copy/paste tool.
 
This is a B.S. "Whataboutism".... Distraction Threat... trying to divert people from the truths that have been exposed.....

Don't buy into such troll threads....

The world knows Trump is an Arsehole, Swindler, Liar, money obsessed, and has a lust for Putin that overshadows everything else, and Climate Denier, Obsessed over trying to dismantle anything Obama did, and driving American into the Debt Spiral that he did to his own businesses, and expect the world to bail him out and let him play extortion games....

No "Whataboutism" can make any of that vanish.
 
Are ya really gonna strip them naked?
Then what?

One more difference between Conservatives and Democrats.

We think public shaming is enough without going to extremes.

In even discussing the indignity you guys have to go to the next extreme and then the next and the next.

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Why cant shaving their heads and stripping them naked be bad enough???

Another reason why Dems are ill equipped for handling great power.
 
This is a B.S. "Whataboutism".... Distraction Threat... trying to divert people from the truths that have been exposed.....

Don't buy into such troll threads....

The world knows Trump is an Arsehole, Swindler, Liar, money obsessed, and has a lust for Putin that overshadows everything else, and Climate Denier, Obsessed over trying to dismantle anything Obama did, and driving American into the Debt Spiral that he did to his own businesses, and expect the world to bail him out and let him play extortion games....

No "Whataboutism" can make any of that vanish.


Anything he did or that he allegedly did that was not up to Presidential standards was already known to us when we elected him.

So, your trunk full of nasty garbage to throw at him is now irrelevant.

We elected him while knowing all that stuff.

And since becoming POTUS he has done a kick arse job of it.

President Donald J. Trump's Accomplishments List | MAGA PILL

So, you have nuttin honey.

Nuttin but butt hurt and a boat load of Dem wits.
 
When O was in office did conservatives

1 call him a POS? (well, maybe some did, but I.. in all those LONG 8 years never heard him called that by one R)
2 accuse him of being a liar over everything he said (well, maybe some did, but I... in all those LONG 8 years never heard...)
3 call for his impeachment (well, maybe some did but I.. in all those LONG 8 years never heard..)
4 abuse his Administration staff so they couldn't even eat in a restaurant in peace and quiet (well, maybe some did but.... [you know the rest])
5 accuse those who voted for him of being in a cult (well, maybe some did but..)

I don't get the vitriol and hate..

If someone doesn't believe as you do.. why not just shrug your shoulders and say "We are all different..."

but no... when someone is different, a liberal has a meltdown

and turns into a... but then again, they probably already were a.... [fill in the blanks] or they wouldn't act like that under any circumstances

trump behaves like a pig. he brings all the criticism he deserves on himself. If you feel his constant disgusting behavior is honorable and should be applauded or even ignored - the problem is you.
 
Mr. Barr is not only off-topic, he is attempting to homogenize dissimilar things in an effort to normalize violations of constitutional law, that have nothing whatsoever to do with the Travel Ban. It's his fault he avoids dialogue which makes him uncomfortable, but he seems comfortable with one theory which is anathema to every aspect of our democratic constitutional republic and its values, that of the "unitary executive".

King George was a unitary executive, because a unitary executive itself is tantamount to monarchy.
We resisted King George, and as history shows, we were on the right side of history.
Today, Trump is on the wrong side, and Barr is his mercenary Tory, one of many mercenaries employed to undercut the co-equal branches of government.

It won't work. It didn't work the last time either.
Try finding a better source for your copy/paste tool.

He has repeatedly tried to reach across the aisle but all of them are back stabbers, Deep Staters, Whistle blowers, leakers, spies, traitors and law breakers.

The treasonous coup plotters have made him exclude them.

He is friendly, cordial and inclusive with those who are honest and meet him halfway.
 
trump behaves like a pig. he brings all the criticism he deserves on himself. If you feel his constant disgusting behavior is honorable and should be applauded or even ignored - the problem is you.

He only strikes out at those who diss him first.

Just like Israel only attacks the Palestinians or their Arab neighbors when they attack or pose an unacceptable threat FIRST.

And after Hillary schooled us that a President's personal business is none of our concern I no longer could expect any President to refrain from getting BJ's in the Oval Office. Luckily, Trump has held himself above that new norm brought to us by the Clintons.

Conservatives have our idea of honor. Dem wits like the Clintons have a different version. More like "on her" and "off her."

By the way, what is the Clinton Body Count up to now?
 
Anything he did or that he allegedly did that was not up to Presidential standards was already known to us when we elected him.

So, your trunk full of nasty garbage to throw at him is now irrelevant.

We elected him while knowing all that stuff.

And since becoming POTUS he has done a kick arse job of it.

President Donald J. Trump's Accomplishments List | MAGA PILL

So, you have nuttin honey.

Nuttin but butt hurt and a boat load of Dem wits.

Thank you, for confirming..... because that certainly tells a lot about you and the make up of whom you call the us" among you Trump Devotees.

Sounds liken unto the mentality among those who saw Bonnie and Clyde as Urban Hero's.... and Al Capone considered a Great American
 
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