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When its too late for an abortion

Correct but you asked about (and tried to demonstrate a parallel) between humans and other animals. In other animals, for example, some mothers kill their offspring when their own lives are in danger or when resources are scarce. This ensures that her genes have a better chance of being passed on later, rather than risking her life or that of infants during periods of danger/scarce resources. It's instinct...genetic programming.

I've seen plenty of examples of males killing offspring, but not of females intentionally, consciously killing their offspring. Abandon in times of trouble, refuse to share, certainly. But intentionally killing them; can't say it's NEVER happened, but not the norm. Unless we're talking about the human animal.
 
Sooooooooooo your study shows 21-28% o dand all mine show 95-97% dont. And my sources were neutral, yours is quite biased. "Hush" :roll:

As Mark Twain said, There's lies, damn lies, and statistics"..... meaning statistics are the worst lie of all. Any intelligent person would question ANY statistic until he/she saw how the statistic was put together. With statistics, the truth is in the details. statistics can say whatever you want them to say.
 
I've seen plenty of examples of males killing offspring, but not of females intentionally, consciously killing their offspring. Abandon in times of trouble, refuse to share, certainly. But intentionally killing them; can't say it's NEVER happened, but not the norm. Unless we're talking about the human animal.

It's pretty basic wildlife biology and when I got my BS in Natural Resource Management, it's something we studied


Why Do Animals Sometimes Kill Their Babies?

"It can seem unnatural," Barthel says, "but there are reasons. They might sound cold to us, but they're simple—and they have to do with resources."

Indeed, mother bears, felines, canids, primates, and many species of rodents—from rats to prairie dogs—have all been seen killing and eating their young. Insects, fish, amphibians, reptiles, and birds also have been implicated in killing, and sometimes devouring, the young of their own kind.

When mammalian mothers give birth, they must begin nursing their infants—something they can do only if they're healthy and well nourished.

But if, for instance, a mother bear in the wild gives birth to unhealthy or deformed cubs, or is unable to find enough to eat, she will typically kill and consume them.

"They become a resource, one she can't afford to waste," Barthel says.

There's a million other examples but really, I dont see it worth my while to post more. You either believe the facts or you dont. It's easy enough to google.
 
Well when alot of the studies show 95% of the women...then yeah, I'd say it's also not 'many.' LOL

But hey, if it means that much to you...It's not like I'm going to change your mind but I am indeed happy to provide supporting evidence for my claims.

Yeah, you are happy to provide a lotta :bs...
 
Yeah, you are happy to provide a lotta :bs...

So...you are done with the discussion then?

I now recognize your M.O. when you decide that you'v run out of road on your arguments. You make snarky little unsupported one-liners that are not 'discussion'.
 
It's pretty basic wildlife biology and when I got my BS in Natural Resource Management, it's something we studied




There's a million other examples but really, I dont see it worth my while to post more. You either believe the facts or you dont. It's easy enough to google.

I don't see women eating an aborted baby.
 
As Mark Twain said, There's lies, damn lies, and statistics"..... meaning statistics are the worst lie of all. Any intelligent person would question ANY statistic until he/she saw how the statistic was put together. With statistics, the truth is in the details. statistics can say whatever you want them to say.

So let me guess...you choose to go with the "useless" stats that support your personal agenda, right? :lamo

I posted from a variety of sources AND there were plenty more where those came from.

As I already wrote...I dont expect you to admit you're wrong. But I'm content that the proof is posted for others to consider.
 
I don't see women eating an aborted baby.

So abortion does not kill the unborn? Wow, that will make the news!!!!

:lamo:lamo:lamo
 
ABORTION HURTS WOMEN
By: CLC Youth Guest Blogger
April 13, 2017 - 10:34am
Research shows that some women who undergo abortion are likely to be affected by psychological implications and mental health problems. In fact, so many women have been affected by psychological disturbances that there now is a medical term to explain this condition: “Post-Abortion Syndrome”. Here are some facts and statistics of what women experience after abortion, the reasons for such psychological effects, and ways to seek help.

According to a study of the medical records of 56,741 California Medicaid patients, women who had an abortion were 160 percent more likely to be hospitalized for psychiatric treatment within 90 days after an abortion or delivery than women who delivered their baby. Another study, which was published in the Canadian Journal of Psychiatry, found that women who underwent an abortion had a 98 percent increased risk for a mental health disorder compared to women who did not have an abortion. They also found that women who had abortions had a 59 percent increased risk for suicidal thoughts, 61 percent increased risk for mood disorders, 61 percent increased risk for social anxiety disorders, 261 percent increased risk for alcohol abuse, and 280 percent increased risk for any substance use disorder. There has been so much research done on this topic that the results are too many to list. But all of these professionally conducted studies point to one common conclusion: abortion can negatively affect a woman’s well-being.

So why is it possible for a woman to be so greatly affected by abortion? Research shows that many women come to regret their decision and feel remorse and guilt. This regret, remorse and guilt can cause anxiety and depression, which then can grow into severe, life-changing disorders. Unfortunately, many women also refuse to seek help right away when they feel depressed because they think that they are just having mood swings and don’t want others to know about their problems. As a result, their repressed emotions can cause psychosomatic illnesses and psychiatric or behavioral problems.

Therapists recommend women who are suffering from depression and anxiety to first seek help from family and friends by opening up to them. If the problem worsens, they recommend seeking help from therapists and counsellors. Many women also find healing by seeking prayer and support from their church community. There are organizations like Hope After Abortion and Connect and Breathe that exist solely to provide support to women suffering from the side effects of abortion.

Other organizations work to give women healthy and life giving alternatives before they choose the abortion. These helpers realize that women often feel they have no other choice and are completely alone. Birthright is one of many organizations that provide support by offering free, non-judgmental counselling to women facing unplanned pregnancies. They respectfully and lovingly listen to each woman’s particular situation and help them make realistic plans according to her decision. They also provide free baby products for those who choose to keep their child.

Though many women suffer from negative effects after an abortion, women do not have to suffer alone. There is always someone out there who can help.

Abortion Hurts Women
 
So let me guess...you choose to go with the "useless" stats that support your personal agenda, right? :lamo

I posted from a variety of sources AND there were plenty more where those came from.

As I already wrote...I dont expect you to admit you're wrong. But I'm content that the proof is posted for others to consider.

You're entitled to your judgement and even if you post dozens of stats, sheer numbers don't equate to truth. The central disagreement in all of the abortion debate is whether abortion is the death of a human being. neither of us can solve that question. We both rely on opinions.

However, if you are correct and 90% of women acknowledge they are killing their offspring, yet don't think it was a wrong decision and don't regret aborting their babies....... that speaks volumes
 
So abortion does not kill the unborn? Wow, that will make the news!!!!

:lamo:lamo:lamo

WTF? Where are you going with this. But, yes, sometimes babies survive abortions. Hopefully, none of them have been ingested by their mothers.
 
You're entitled to your judgement and even if you post dozens of stats, sheer numbers don't equate to truth. The central disagreement in all of the abortion debate is whether abortion is the death of a human being. neither of us can solve that question. We both rely on opinions.

However, if you are correct and 90% of women acknowledge they are killing their offspring, yet don't think it was a wrong decision and don't regret aborting their babies....... that speaks volumes

Thanks. You just proved me correct again.

Then there's no reason to continue eh? No amount of facts will sway your judgement.

and the law has answered your other question:

1 U.S. Code: SS 8 “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

(a) In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.

(b) As used in this section, the term “born alive”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.

You can 'feel' or 'believe' any way you want but changes to abortion can only take place under the law.
 

You quoted one non peer reviewed study.

Here is some data that was collected from 44 different studies conducted worldwide between 1990 and 2011.



Kendall and colleagues reviewed 44 studies conducted worldwide from 1990 to 2011 that included several million women with unwanted pregnancies from sources including national health systems and insurance databases.



They concluded the best predictor of whether women would have a psychiatric problem after an abortion was whether they had mental health issues before getting pregnant.


Kendall said it was possible women with mental health problems after an unwanted pregnancy were at greater risk of getting pregnant or that an unwanted pregnancy worsened their mental
The article points out it is the unwanted pregnancy that causes mental stresses not abortions.

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Abortion does not increase a woman's chance of developing mental health problems, according to the largest study ever to investigate the issue.

Among women with unwanted pregnancies, those who had abortions were no more likely to suffer from problems including anxiety or depression than women who gave birth, the research review by the U.K.'s National Collaborating Centre for Mental Health found.


The research shows the "reassuring news" that abortion does not cause mental health problems, but raises a warning that officials must address the problem of unwanted pregnancy, said Dr. Tim Kendall, the centre's director.

Kendall said mental health problems seemed to be linked specifically to unwanted pregnancies rather than abortion.

Abortion doesn't raise mental illness risk – USATODAY.com
 
You quoted one one non peer reviewed study.

Here is some data that was collected from 44 different studies conducted worldwide between 1990 and 2011.

:bs...
 
WTF? Where are you going with this. But, yes, sometimes babies survive abortions. Hopefully, none of them have been ingested by their mothers.

Oh please. It may have happened in decades past but since the law today requires lethal/anesthetic injection before removal...AND most are then dismembered in order to not cause further damage to the mother...the odds are astronomical against it.
 

Ha ha ha! We have loads of data showing you're wrong...and so your response is just denial.

No worries, nothing different was expected from you, but the information is here for people with open minds to consider.
 
Thanks. You just proved me correct again.

Then there's no reason to continue eh? No amount of facts will sway your judgement.

and the law has answered your other question:

1 U.S. Code: SS 8 “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute



You can 'feel' or 'believe' any way you want but changes to abortion can only take place under the law.

The law is the law. Law is whatever side holds the political majority. However, that does not make it a scientific fact. And if the Supreme Court becomes conservative enough, the law will change.
 
Oh please. It may have happened in decades past but since the law today requires lethal/anesthetic injection before removal...AND most are then dismembered in order to not cause further damage to the mother...the odds are astronomical against it.

The Abortion Survivors Network
 
The law is the law. Law is whatever side holds the political majority. However, that does not make it a scientific fact. And if the Supreme Court becomes conservative enough, the law will change.

No...that has been upheld for decades and thru multiple administrations. Dont just spew stuff to see what 'sticks.'

And science has nothing to do with laws and rights. Science applies no value, science is objective. Laws and rights are man-made and subjective.
 
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