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When its too late for an abortion

Elvira said:
So you are not able to back up your claims....I am not surprised...
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Which claim? I am happy to do so. Please articulate your question...that is what grown ups do in discussions.
 
Elvira said:
Comprehension problems, huh...
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So you are unable to articulate a question regarding a claim I made? There was more than one claim in the post you responded to. Perhaps you believe that people are mind-readers? Perhaps you are not ready for a discussion then?
 
Elvira said:
Comprehension problems, huh...
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This is what lursa said in post 217

(A) In nature, nature always favors the reproducing adult because they have the best chance of survival and are already proven to be able to reproduce.

(B) Infants and juveniles have a much higher mortality rate and so are a much poorer investment by the genetic lottery...nature favors the existing adults that have survived and proven that they can reproduce.
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Of the two statements, which of them are you requiring proof of? Statement A or B?
 
Elvira said:
Forgot what you said, huh...
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Oh no...not at all. I can easily see the post you quoted...and the multiple claims I made.

Please feel free to articulate a question regarding which claim you are disputing. Are you capable of that? I'm not a mind reader.
 
Lursa said:
Oh no...not at all. I can easily see the post you quoted...and the multiple claims I made.

Please feel free to articulate a question regarding which claim you are disputing. Are you capable of that? I'm not a mind reader.
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Please feel free to back up your claims...
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
This is what lursa said in post 217



Of the two statements, which of them are you requiring proof of? Statement A or B?
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Actually, she said 'prove it' in response to post 415.
 
Lursa said:
The bold is untrue. We just posted a link that shows that's false.

Life is full of very difficult decisions. That doesnt make those decisions wrong.

And yes, I'm sure many of those wome would like to give birth...that just shows you how difficult it would be for them to do so, when they decide they cannot.
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I said, "many women never get over an abortion." You consider that a false statement? You better read it again; peruse it.
 
Elvira said:
So you admit you are playing word games...
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Not at all. If you cant articulate a question or tell me which claim to support...I'd have to use mind games...and I'm not a mind reader.

I think you realized you bit off more than you can chew and now are just trying to avoid confronting it.
 
Waddy said:
I said, "many women never get over an abortion." You consider that a false statement? You better read it again; peruse it.
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yes I do. Most women do not feel that it was the wrong decision or suffer long term regret
 
Lursa said:
Not at all. If you cant articulate a question or tell me which claim to support...I'd have to use mind games...and I'm not a mind reader.

I think you realized you bit off more than you can chew and now are just trying to avoid confronting it.
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Hardly...you admit what post I responded to, yet you are unable to back up your post...thus you are the one avoiding/bit off more than you can chew...got it...
 
Elvira said:
Hardly...you admit what post I responded to, yet you are unable to back up your post...thus you are the one avoiding/bit off more than you can chew...got it...
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There are multiple claims in that post. What would you like me to support further?
 
Lursa said:
In nature, nature always favors the reproducing adult because they have the best chance of survival and are already proven to be able to reproduce.

Infants and juveniles have a much higher mortality rate and so are a much poorer investment by the genetic lottery...nature favors the existing adults that have survived and proven that they can reproduce.
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Nature doesn't have favorites. It is just nature. Adults in their prime are simply better equipped to survive than infants or juveniles. So the latter's mortality is higher. Sometimes mothers must abandon their offspring and in some cases they even become infertile for various reasons, but females don't usually consciously kill their offspring. That's more of a human trait.
 
Waddy said:
Nature doesn't have favorites. It is just nature. Adults in their prime are simply better equipped to survive than infants or juveniles. So the latter's mortality is higher. Sometimes mothers must abandon their offspring and in some cases they even become infertile for various reasons, but females don't usually consciously kill their offspring. That's more of a human trait.
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Correct but you asked about (and tried to demonstrate a parallel) between humans and other animals. In other animals, for example, some mothers kill their offspring when their own lives are in danger or when resources are scarce. This ensures that her genes have a better chance of being passed on later, rather than risking her life or that of infants during periods of danger/scarce resources. It's instinct...genetic programming.
 
Lursa said:
yes I do. Most women do not feel that it was the wrong decision or suffer long term regret
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Elvira said:
Prove it...
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Finally! Here you go:

This Study Should End The Debate About Whether Women Regret Having Abortions

Tara Culp-Ressler writes for*ThinkProgress:*“According to a*new study*that tracked hundreds of women who had abortions, more than*95 percent of participants*reported that ending a pregnancy was the right decision for them. Feelings of relief outweighed any negative emotions, even three years after the procedure.

Do you require psychological counseling after you have had an abortion? — Women on Web

Most women do not need any psychological help after an abortion. Feelings of regret after abortion are rare. Indeed, the most common emotional response after abortion is relief. Transient feelings of guilt, sadness, or loss are common but most women can overcome negative feelings that might affect them. It is normal to feel emotional after an abortion. While you may experience sadness or grief, these feelings usually go away after a few days. But in countries where the taboo and social stigma is big, it is more common for women to suffer feelings of guilt and shame.

Fact or fiction? Do a lot of women regret their abortions? | Her.ie

A US study*published in 2015 showed that 95 percent of women who had an abortion did not regret their decision.
670 women from different backgrounds were surveyed about the termination of their pregnancies.
An "overwhelming majority" of these women expressed that they thought they had made the correct choice “both in the short-term and over three years."
Similarly,*another study*published in 2016 showed that 97 percent of Irish women who had used abortion pills had not regretted their decision.
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LOL See? That wasnt so hard, was it? ;)
 
Lursa said:
yes I do. Most women do not feel that it was the wrong decision or suffer long term regret
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I said, "many women never get over an abortion." You consider that a false statement? You better read it again; peruse it.
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Even if you're correct and MOST women do not feel it was a wrong decision..(which I would dispute), you still do not invalidate what I said, which was, "MANY women never get over an abortion". BOTH statements can be true. They are both subjective, non-specific terms which can co-exist quite nicely. Have you bitten off more than you can chew???
 
Lursa said:
Finally! Here you go:




LOL See? That wasnt so hard, was it? ;)
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Yeah, easy peasy...:roll:

About 50% of women who receive a medically induced abortion believe they are terminating the life of their unborn child.

The reality of terminating a life is not something that many can ignore. For numerous women who have an abortion, the decision will not result in empowerment, as pro-choice advocates would have one believe, but in mourning and pain. Mourning the immediate loss of a life unlived, and the pain that may come from experiencing serious mental health repercussions down the road.

As reported by Punam Kumar Gill in her new documentary Hush, every year in the U.S., over one million women will undergo an induced abortion. Many of these women, either shortly after their abortion or many years in the future, will come to regret this decision.

A 2000 study cited by Hush and prepaired by Dr. Brenda Major, a Professor of Psychology & Communications at the University of California, recorded that approximately 21% of American women who receive an abortion believed that their abortion did more harm than good. This percentage grew to 28% within two years of the abortion. This means of the one million women who have abortions each year in the US, more than 280,000 of them believe, within two years, that their abortion did more harm than good.
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Researchers Discover Abortion Regret Is Not A Myth
 
Waddy said:
Even if you're correct and MOST women do not feel it was a wrong decision..(which I would dispute), you still do not invalidate what I said, which was, "MANY women never get over an abortion". BOTH statements can be true. They are both subjective, non-specific terms which can co-exist quite nicely. Have you bitten off more than you can chew???
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Well when alot of the studies show 95% of the women...then yeah, I'd say it's also not 'many.' LOL

But hey, if it means that much to you...It's not like I'm going to change your mind but I am indeed happy to provide supporting evidence for my claims.
 
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