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That would actually be 32 weeks when the lungs work by themselves.Stace said:*Scientifically/medically, I believe it "officially" becomes a baby at 22/23 weeks, when it would be possible to deliver the baby with a chance of the baby sustaining life on its own. If I remember correctly, any time before that, and the fetus will most certainly die, even with the aid of respirators.
mickiesamso said:i think a fetus is a baby at conception.
Some_Guy said:I wouldn't say BABY, but... It becomes a human being as soon as the sperm joins with the egg and the fetus begins to grow the vital organs needed to sustain life.
Good. I am glad some people abstain from the deceptive, revisionist linguistics.Some_Guy said:I wouldn't say BABY,
Well, "being" implies individuality and autonomy. The zygote does not fit this.but... It becomes a human being as soon as the sperm joins with the egg
there is no fetus until the 9th week.and the fetus begins to grow the vital organs needed to sustain life.
Well, "Person" is a legal term, so for that we need to look in the legal codes.Ethereal said:I think a better question would be: when does the "zygote" or "fetus" become a person?
The law says that you are wrong.As I see it a zygote or a fetus is just as much a person as a "baby" or a "toddler".
These are all biological, developmental stages. This is not determinants of legal status per se.Zygote, fetus, infant, baby, toddler, ect. are all terms refering to the development of a creature rather than its designation.
Glad we agree.So, when pro-choicers say a "fetus" becomes a "baby" atfer it's born, they are technically correct since the word baby does not designate personhood, rather a stage in one's development as a person.
Not according to the law, which has clarified that the legal term "fetus" does not apply to the unborn.But are they correct in saying that a "zygote" or a "fetus" is not a person? Well, that's debatable.
Stace said:I see this discussed on many of the threads, but I wanted to make a thread specifically about the subject...there's a poll right now that's similar, but not quite what I had in mind.
I'm wondering when you consider a human fetus becomes a human baby. I have a few different viewpoints on this.
*If I were the one pregnant, and wanted the child, I'd probably refer to it as a baby right away.
*But looking from the perspective of a woman that is about to have an abortion, it would never be anything more than a fetus.
Stace Fetus is the latin word for Baby.
*Scientifically/medically, I believe it "officially" becomes a baby at 22/23 weeks, when it would be possible to deliver the baby with a chance of the baby sustaining life on its own. If I remember correctly, any time before that, and the fetus will most certainly die, even with the aid of respirators.
Babies as young as 16 weeks have survived per Good Morning America Sometime in Nov 05
I'd just like to get a few more opinions on this.
Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:My Wife and I had 5 premature babies (born between 19-22 weeks )All 5 lived for only a short time after birth without a respirator. They were born and they did live betwee a half hour and a hour. So if you are not going to recognized them as Babies or fetus (I prefer the english) What are they?
Some_Guy said:Steen does not debate. He merely tosses meaningless insults out there.
Now. Are you pro-abortionists claiming that someone is not human until their organs are fully developed? If yes, you should abort all kids less than 20 since their brains are not fully developed. If not, then where exactly is the borderline between acceptable to murder and not acceptable to murder? A few feet, between the inside and outsides of the mother?
Now. It does not matter what stage of development it is in. All that matters is that it is a growing human. Done and done. You are murdering a fellow human being no matter when you do it, and you might as well shoot a 15-year-old in the face, since it is not murder because he is still developing his brain.
Some_Guy said:Steen does not debate. He merely tosses meaningless insults out there.
Now. Are you pro-abortionists claiming that someone is not human until their organs are fully developed? If yes, you should abort all kids less than 20 since their brains are not fully developed. If not, then where exactly is the borderline between acceptable to murder and not acceptable to murder? A few feet, between the inside and outsides of the mother?
Now. It does not matter what stage of development it is in. All that matters is that it is a growing human. Done and done. You are murdering a fellow human being no matter when you do it, and you might as well shoot a 15-year-old in the face, since it is not murder because he is still developing his brain.
That claim is false as has been shown before.Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:Stace Fetus is the latin word for Baby.
And they are wrong. The absolute earliest ever recorded preemie to survive at one year was born at 19 weeks, 6 days gestation (21 weeks, 6 days pregnancy). That is the absolutely earliest survival ever recorded in medical history.Babies as young as 16 weeks have survived per Good Morning America Sometime in Nov 05
And hence, they were not viable.My Wife and I had 5 premature babies (born between 19-22 weeks )All 5 lived for only a short time after birth without a respirator. They were born and they did live betwee a half hour and a hour.
After birth, they are babies. before birth, they are fetuses. Technically, they are miscarriages (though that refers to the process itself).So if you are not going to recognized them as Babies or fetus (I prefer the english) What are they?
]Incorrect. they are stages of development of what may become a person after birth.OK Fetus, zygote, embryo are all stages of development for a person.
Utter and silly nonsense.Every person was or will become a Zygoat, Embryo, Fetus or Baby, infant, Todler, Child, Teenager, Young adult, Middle aged, Senior citizen.
Huh? What is this lame avoidance?Ethereal said:Before I commense whipping your butt in this debate I would like to finish our last one, steen. I'm still awaiting your rebuttal or concession. Unless you require a more in depth explaination of how to conduct a proper debate?
Your meaningless insult is duly noted.Some_Guy said:Steen does not debate. He merely tosses meaningless insults out there.
Where are these fictitious beings? None have been seen here, so either you are not really with it, or you are deliberately lying. Which is it?Now. Are you pro-abortionists
Hmm, who have claimed that there is no species designation like that?claiming that someone is not human until their organs are fully developed?
Irrelevant, as nobody here are talking about murder. that must be some fiction cooked up in your emotionally overheated mind.... If not, then where exactly is the borderline between acceptable to murder and not acceptable to murder?
really? Are you claiming that merely being "human" gives one a right to life, including that of using others' bodily resources?Now. It does not matter what stage of development it is in. All that matters is that it is a growing human. Done and done.
Your claim is false. You are spewing misrepresentations here.You are murdering a fellow human being no matter when you do it,
Nope.and you might as well shoot a 15-year-old in the face,
Your emotionally laden histrionics really has nothing to do with reality!since it is not murder because he is still developing his brain.
Huh? What is this lame avoidance?
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