When a tiger escapes a Zoo whose fault is it?

[Cold Highway]

Its mostly the Zoo's fault but as someone else has said its still a wild animal regardless how long its been in a cage.

 

[aps]

I can understand that the zoo should have made it impossible for the tiger to get out, but I am glad this one was able to get out and exact some justice. I think the solution to this is to make the escape impossible, but monitor these areas better. When someone is caught taunting the tiger or bear or whatever, they should get thrown in the enclosure with said animal. Lets see if they want to taunt it then. Cowards.

I agree. I'm not feeling too sad for those boys right now if they taunted him. What kind of person taunts a dangerous animal like that (or any animal at that)? And they hired Scott Peterson's attorney? Yeah, like he helped Scott Peterson. WTF? Those guys know they did something wrong--otherwise they would not be bringing in an attorney like this.

 

[WI Crippler]

I agree. I'm not feeling too sad for those boys right now if they taunted him. What kind of person taunts a dangerous animal like that (or any animal at that)? And they hired Scott Peterson's attorney? Yeah, like he helped Scott Peterson. WTF? Those guys know they did something wrong--otherwise they would not be bringing in an attorney like this.

My only regret is that the tiger didn't get all of them.

 

[aps]

My only regret is that the tiger didn't get all of them.

:shock: Man, you're tough! :2wave:

My regret is that the zoo will have to suffer for their mean-spirited behavior.

 

[Travelsonic]

It's the fault of a society that thinks it's okay to put an animal in a zoo in the first place.

Damn you PeTA, and your (inaccurate) stereotype of zoos and IQ dropping propaganda. :censored

Not all zoos are the same, and while there are I bet a lot that have the old fashioned smallish cages, and some probably with lackadaisical policies/staff, there are a good (larger?) share that are honestly committed to preservation and proper care - and have habitats, and staff/policies alike reflecting this.

 

[WI Crippler]

:shock: Man, you're tough! :2wave:

My regret is that the zoo will have to suffer for their mean-spirited behavior.

You know, I have been in zoos in other countries, and they don't have nearly the protective barriers we do in the US, but yet there aren't animals going crazy and killing people. Probably because people there aren't dumb enough to actually taunt the animal in the first place. Hell I've driven through bear parks, where the bears are out in the open. I'd like to see those *******s taunt the bears next.

 

[americanwoman]

You know, I have been in zoos in other countries, and they don't have nearly the protective barriers we do in the US, but yet there aren't animals going crazy and killing people. Probably because people there aren't dumb enough to actually taunt the animal in the first place. Hell I've driven through bear parks, where the bears are out in the open. I'd like to see those *******s taunt the bears next.

Alot also has to do with the way the keepers treat their animals. In bear parks, which are usually wildlife preservations and reserves, they tend to treat their animals better and give them more freedoms which will keep an animals temper low and give them better opinions of humans.

It's sad that someone would tease and taunt a poor animal kept in a small cage who is already emotionally unstable. They already got separated from their family and are forced to be captive, how much more torture do you want to inflict on them?

 

[stevenb]

To quote Chris Rock on Siegfreid and Roy.

That tiger didn't go crazy. That tiger went tiger!

 

[Adrian]

Whose fault is it when a tiger escapes? I dunno, I'd feel sort of the same way if somebody were to ask me who would be responsible if a pot smoker escaped from prison. The pot smoker shouldn't have been in the damn prison in the first place. Anyway, nobody should be shocked. The tiger is a predator and at the top of the food chain. So a)don't get too close unless it's perfectly sedated, and b)if you're going to taunt a predator at the top of the food chain, be damn sure you're covered from head to toe in Kevlar.

Personally, I think the people who teased the tiger should have been up for a Darwin Award. But...they didn't die, so I guess they're off on a technicality.

 

[Travelsonic]

It's sad that someone would tease and taunt a poor animal kept in a small cage who is already emotionally unstable. They already got separated from their family and are forced to be captive, how much more torture do you want to inflict on them?

Appealing to the emotions a wee bit, eh? :roll:

Not all zoos, IIRC not the San Diego Zoo as much either, fit into this spiritually hellish and exaggerated vision of zoos.

 

[americanwoman]

Appealing to the emotions a wee bit, eh? :roll:

Not all zoos, IIRC not the San Diego Zoo as much either, fit into this spiritually hellish and exaggerated vision of zoos.

I live in Omaha where we have one of the best zoos in the world. The animals there, especially in the gorilla compound, have tons of space and room to play around. Still, none of them ever come across as particularly happy. Anytime you take a living being and enclose it and force it to live by your rules takes them out of their comfort zone and natural habitat.

Would you be happy to be enclosed and gawked at, because you were getting fed on time and had some other humans thrown in the mix to keep you company?

 

[TOJ]

I live in Omaha where we have one of the best zoos in the world. The animals there, especially in the gorilla compound, have tons of space and room to play around. Still, none of them ever come across as particularly happy. Anytime you take a living being and enclose it and force it to live by your rules takes them out of their comfort zone and natural habitat.

Would you be happy to be enclosed and gawked at, because you were getting fed on time and had some other humans thrown in the mix to keep you company?

How about dogs? Aren't you forcing them to live by your rules? :doh

 

[Adrian]

How about dogs? Aren't you forcing them to live by your rules? :doh

Not a great analogy. Dogs have been bred to be domesticated...and like it. Wild animals like that tiger are still, well, wild.

 

[americanwoman]

How about dogs? Aren't you forcing them to live by your rules? :doh

My dogs are spoiled and have the run of the house, they mostly make their own rules.

However, while dogs are domesticated, most animals in the zoo aren't, so it's a big difference and hard to compare. I guess I just can't help but be emotional, I always feel so bad for those animals.

 

[TOJ]

My dogs are spoiled and have the run of the house, they mostly make their own rules.

However, while dogs are domesticated, most animals in the zoo aren't, so it's a big difference and hard to compare. I guess I just can't help but be emotional, I always feel so bad for those animals.

Do they have the run of the countryside? Most dogs I have been around act like they would rather be able to run wherever and whenever they fancy.

Dogs born and raised in the wild sure do not act domesticated. Recently a pack in MO was killing livestock and had threatened several people. They had to be hunted down and killed.

Had the tiger been captured from the wild or was it born and raised in a zoo?

 

[americanwoman]

Had the tiger been captured from the wild or was it born and raised in a zoo?

Good question, that would be interesting to find out.

 

[Adrian]

Do they have the run of the countryside? Most dogs I have been around act like they would rather be able to run wherever and whenever they fancy.

True, some are domesticated to the point that they would be perfectly fine always being in the house (although that's still not healthy for them), but one thing is common for all dogs: they all like to come back to the den.

Out of curiosity, how often are tigers and lions in captivity allowed to run free without borders to their hearts' content? My guess is, not as frequently as dogs are allowed.

Dogs born and raised in the wild sure do not act domesticated. Recently a pack in MO was killing livestock and had threatened several people. They had to be hunted down and killed.

That's correct, it's harder to domesticate a dog raised in the wild. The difference is that dogs have been bred to the point where if raised domesticated, they're totally cool with it.

Had the tiger been captured from the wild or was it born and raised in a zoo?

I'm not sure how relevant the answer to that question would be. Tigers haven't been bred into domesticity. So whether they were born in the wild or are first, second or even third generation captivity, it's still hard coded into their dna to be wild.

A better analogy might be domestic cats. It took a loooot of breeding to make a breed that is 100% domesticated, i.e. to the point where a cat wouldn't feel the burning desire to go out at all. Wild dogs were domesticated with a fair amount of ease as far back as the paleolithic era.

 

[Adrian]

To simplify, take one tiger, which doesn't like captivity to any degree, and put it in captivity. Then never let it run free. Ever. Also never let it do the one thing it does best: hunt. What do you get? One seriously pissed off tiger.

 

[jamesrage]

Eh, I don't care if a tiger is caged or not. You don't taunt an apex predator, on the off chance that it might just find a way out.

There is not supposed to be a off chance the tiger is supposed to escape,it's in a zoo it is supposed to secure.An escaped tiger will maul someone regardless if someone teased it or not.Because as the idiotic peta sheep fuckers here in this forum who think animals shouldn't be in zoos like to remind us "the tiger is on top of the food chain".

I don't blame the tiger. **** those idiots, they got what was coming to them ,those cowardly pricks. I almost laugh to myself when I think about the absolute primal fear those dipshits must have felt when that tiger came over the wall.

Darwinism wins again.

That seems like the equivalent of blaming the rape victim because she wore sexy clothing.

 

[WI Crippler]

There is not supposed to be a off chance the tiger is supposed to escape,it's in a zoo it is supposed to secure.An escaped tiger will maul someone regardless if someone teased it or not.Because as the idiotic peta sheep fuckers here in this forum who think animals shouldn't be in zoos like to remind us "the tiger is on top of the food chain".



That seems like the equivalent of blaming the rape victim because she wore sexy clothing.

I am the furthest thing from a PETA person.

And this is not equivalent to rape. Poor analogy. Animals don't have the same cognitive abilities of what is right and wrong like people do. You can choose to not rape a sexily dressed female. A tiger doesn't really have a choice about attacking someone thats ****ing with it. Its just going to do what a tigers entire physiology has been built up through evolution to do, and thats kill. Most idiots know this, and only cowards would atagonize it while its behind a cage. I am sure their bravado wore the **** off real quick when it scaled the wall.

 

[TOJ]

True, some are domesticated to the point that they would be perfectly fine always being in the house (although that's still not healthy for them), but one thing is common for all dogs: they all like to come back to the den.

Out of curiosity, how often are tigers and lions in captivity allowed to run free without borders to their hearts' content? My guess is, not as frequently as dogs are allowed.



That's correct, it's harder to domesticate a dog raised in the wild. The difference is that dogs have been bred to the point where if raised domesticated, they're totally cool with it.



I'm not sure how relevant the answer to that question would be. Tigers haven't been bred into domesticity. So whether they were born in the wild or are first, second or even third generation captivity, it's still hard coded into their dna to be wild.

A better analogy might be domestic cats. It took a loooot of breeding to make a breed that is 100% domesticated, i.e. to the point where a cat wouldn't feel the burning desire to go out at all. Wild dogs were domesticated with a fair amount of ease as far back as the paleolithic era.

All matters of degree. IMO, someone that keeps a dog locked up in a house has no right to complain about zoos.

 

[1069]

When a tiger escapes a Zoo whose fault is it?

You guys who voted "the victim's fault who teased the tiger" or "both" are so full of shite, you squeak.
You would never in your wildest imaginings take your children to a zoo if you truly believed this: that the only thing preventing the tigers from escaping is the fact that you refrain from taunting them.
Utter malarkey.
Nobody would go to zoos, if this were the case.

 

[talloulou]

I agree. I'm not feeling too sad for those boys right now if they taunted him. What kind of person taunts a dangerous animal like that (or any animal at that)? And they hired Scott Peterson's attorney? Yeah, like he helped Scott Peterson. WTF? Those guys know they did something wrong--otherwise they would not be bringing in an attorney like this.

OMG a teenager was killed by a freaking escape tiger at the Zoo and you don't feel sorry for the kid because he was allegedly an obnoxious brat as many many teens are?

 

[WI Crippler]

You guys who voted "the victim's fault who teased the tiger" or "both" are so full of shite, you squeak.
You would never in your wildest imaginings take your children to a zoo if you truly believed this: that the only thing preventing the tigers from escaping is the fact that you refrain from taunting them.
Utter malarkey.
Nobody would go to zoos, if this were the case.

Usually its not. Of course its the zoos fault the tiger was able to escape.

But I have no sympathy for cowards. They got what they deserved.

 

[talloulou]

Whose fault is it when a tiger escapes? I dunno, I'd feel sort of the same way if somebody were to ask me who would be responsible if a pot smoker escaped from prison. The pot smoker shouldn't have been in the damn prison in the first place. Anyway, nobody should be shocked. The tiger is a predator and at the top of the food chain. So a)don't get too close unless it's perfectly sedated, and b)if you're going to taunt a predator at the top of the food chain, be damn sure you're covered from head to toe in Kevlar.

Personally, I think the people who teased the tiger should have been up for a Darwin Award. But...they didn't die, so I guess they're off on a technicality.

Damn you people are goofy. I take my kids to the zoo all the time. Doesn't mean I'm asking a tiger to eat them and I don't give a $hit if my son unzips his pants and pisses into the enclosure. Death is not the appropriate consequence for being a little prick. Geeezus....