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What's your position on School Choice?

Ginger Ale said:
Yes, what I have seen is they usually care more, and research more. Plus, with the internet and sites like Khan Academy, which I used, your kids can really learn a lot and stay up on standards! My kids are 4.1 college students without much effort. Kahn was just starting and my kids sort of road that wave. Worked out great! There was no real place for my kids at school, we tried, but they have special needs.

Khan Academy

www.khanacademy.org www.khanacademy.org
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outcomes vary,, glad yours is working out,,

sadly to many kids are stuck in shitty conditions,,
 
Blue Dog said:
Ok, so we do not see eye to eye here.


So it sounds like this was a positive.
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The positive was that the private schools took no BS from the students or parents. Public schools have had their ability to punish students taken away. Now some schools are waiving math, English and other requirements because the kids refuse to learn, and teachers don't give a damn cause they still get paid.
 
nota bene said:
And they also take grad courses during the summer. I know this because I taught those teachers during those summers.
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Have you ever asked teachers from struggling schools why they aren't more successful?

I taught in such a school. I often wondered if they had a single book in their home or if the kids had ever been read to. And then there were the kids who don't show up at all or rarely do.

In short, schools struggle because parents don't understand how education works. They, in turn, were probably not read to and had few or no books in the home. They seem to feel either that somehow the schools will take care of everything, or their miseducation is acceptable to them.
 
mike2810 said:
why? explain

Then maybe the Republicans need to be fired. They have been in control of Arizona for decades.

Why won't you answer the simple question. Do you live in Arizona? Yes or no.
I will take your ignoring the question that you do not live in Arizona.
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how about you explain why they should??

arizona uses my money for their schools so expect my opinion about how is used,,
 
mike2810 said:
Good question. Not sure every parent is up to schooling their kids.

/sarcasm
Child services could remove the child from a bad situation.
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Undoubtedly, some parents aren't. And you might be surprised by what CPS can't do--remove children from a home where the mother is prostituting herself, for example, and filming "spicy content" to sell online.

But most homeschooled parents are highly motivated. And, I should add, more than competent even when they themselves don't hold any more than a G.E.D. or high school diploma.

For some students public school is a better fit for one reason or another. I could never have homeschooled my son. He attended public school and then two private schools before I returned him to the public school system, which was far better able to serve his particular needs. I am very, very sorry indeed that I wasn't able to homeschool my daughter, however. Peak age to homeschool is grades 6-8, and this is exactly when I wish I could have homeschooled.
 
j brown's body said:
Have you ever asked teachers from struggling schools why they aren't more successful?

I taught in such a school. I often wondered if they had a single book in their home or if the kids had ever been read to. And then there were the kids who don't show up at all or rarely do.

In short, schools struggle because parents don't understand how education works. They, in turn, were probably not read to and had few or no books in the home. They seem to feel either that somehow the schools will take care of everything, or their miseducation is acceptable to them.
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I tend to agree and would add that these attitudes toward education cross socioeconomic lines. Ha, you already know how many parents are actively involved in their kids' education (beyond their expectations and ragging them about grades, I mean).
 
Integrityrespec said:
Should taxpayers be able to get vouchers for school choice? This would allow parents to select the school they think would be best for their child's education. They would be able to use their tax dollars to fund a choice in the school their child attends!
Whats your opinion and why?
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Yes. If the public school where I live does not provide the best education, then I should be able to choose where.
 
rational anarchist said:
outcomes vary,, glad yours is working out,,

sadly to many kids are stuck in shitty conditions,,
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Then those should be addressed and fixed. Taking money away from bad schools will only make them worse.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Should taxpayers be able to get vouchers for school choice? This would allow parents to select the school they think would be best for their child's education. They would be able to use their tax dollars to fund a choice in the school their child attends!
Whats your opinion and why?
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All funding should be vouchers issued to parents who then redeem them at the school of their choice. Eliminate tenure.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Should taxpayers be able to get vouchers for school choice? This would allow parents to select the school they think would be best for their child's education. They would be able to use their tax dollars to fund a choice in the school their child attends!
Whats your opinion and why?
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Public funds for private education, not a good idea. The law of unintended consequences comes into play.

At first, it's all good. However, once the private schools start accepting public money AND projecting it into their operating budgets, the government strings will start to attach. You see, the schools will not be allowed to discriminate on race, religion, etc. The schools will not be allowed to mandate religious classes. The schools will not be allowed to be 'selective' in who they admit. The schools will either comply with the government requirements or the funds will be forfeited. It's called accountability for taxpayers' money.

In other words, all the things that are appealing about private education will go away. All because they started accepting government money.
 
Teatime said:
No.

Next question.
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THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION

ARTICLE 7. EDUCATION

THE PUBLIC FREE SCHOOLS

Sec. 1. SUPPORT AND MAINTENANCE OF SYSTEM OF PUBLIC FREE SCHOOLS. A general diffusion of knowledge being essential to the preservation of the liberties and rights of the people, it shall be the duty of the Legislature of the State to establish and make suitable provision for the support and maintenance of an efficient system of public free schools.

(Feb. 15, 1876.)
 
I live in a state (Iowa) whose right wing legislature fell all over themselves to follow the governor to give taxpayer handouts to people to not only prop up parochial schools but to expand religion in the state. Don’t be fooled- that’s the motivation here. The costs already are tens of millions so over the estimated reported cost of the program.

It’s a boondoggle that I can’t wait to see repealed when these religious pushers are cast out of office. The biggest hypocrites are the people who are in favor of this blatant giveaway but OK with squashing college student loan assistance or forgiveness. Which is what the Republican governor did here.

So called conservatives can’t stand it when Democrats promote using taxpayer money to fund student loan debt reduction, yet applaud Republican handouts to fund the parents who send their kids to private schools when the public school system is already in place for everyone. It’s a fundamentally stupid waste of taxpayer dollars. Either support both programs or condemn both programs.
 
j brown's body said:
It should be limited to public schools.
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I understand that position but isn't it the tax dollars of each and every parent? I think you definitely have to have some requirements for every school to meet but I see public schools failing far too often not to try something different. Put pressure on public schools with competition.
 
Can't wait for the school voucher proponents to realize this means handing vouchers to illegal aliens for their children to attend school.... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
Teatime said:
It can be changed. No biggie. We're supposed to change the Federal Constitution every 20 years anyway, the states may as well follow suit.
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:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:. The Texas GQP can't even pass school vouchers....
 
rational anarchist said:
well home schooling is far superior than public everyday of the week,,
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Not necessarily. Some people do a good job with it some do not. I've seen some home schooled kids that did not meet the minimum performance standards. Really, that's what it comes down too, performance. I'd like to see some of the social activism taken out of our schools and get back to a more rigorous basic education standard, the old reading, writing, rithmatic, 3 R's concept. Certainly that's not enough in the modern world but, it you can't do those 3 basic things you are in real trouble.
 
rational anarchist said:
the 1st amendment,,

vouchers are to use your own money in the school of your choice,,,
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Imagine if we went to saying if you are a member of a religious group you cannot vote! Or the opposite, if you are not, you cannot vote. I think most people agree that diversity is a key to building a strong nation, not forced diversity where standards are ignored, but having lots of input and allowing individual freedom.
 
rational anarchist said:
except the teachers dont do the curriculum,,

nice try,,

my teacher niece and her husband use summer time to travel for 2-3 months,,

it takes her week or two to get everything ready for the school yr,,
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Weird that you think the entire country full of teachers do the same thing as your niece and her husband.
 
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