What's wrong with voter ID laws.

[James D Hill]

Nothing more than lies that leftist tell themselves.

What lie? I heard several GOP party leaders agree with that fact. Are they telling falsehoods? Why else would they make it so hard to vote? It is not voter fraud because that is so rare.

 

[DashingAmerican]

What about closing inner city voting centers? If it was voter ID then that idea has some merit but to make it harder to vote that is BS in the first degree and that has happened in several red states.

If there were voter I.D. laws, then you could prove, without a doubt, on paper that certain voting sectors were closed early by showing the discrepancies in the number of registered voters and those who actually voted, by district.

 

[James D Hill]

If there were voter I.D. laws, then you could prove, without a doubt, on paper that certain voting sectors were closed early by showing the discrepancies in the number of registered voters and those who actually voted, by district.

Just let the people vote any way the want. Why does it have to be a freaking pain in the ass for conservatives to be happy? Because it hurts liberal voting blocks.

 

[jamesrage]

Disagree. Someone who is invalid and cannot or would have to make a extreme effort to get to a polling place should also be allowed to have an absentee ballot. As to this designated polling pace for the absentee, are you saying that you want all polling places to have to carry all the voting options for all cities and districts? Before you say that it would only have to be in areas where there are bases, remember that recruiting assignments are just that and as such the recruiter is not necessarily stationed in their home of record.

The county election boards, embassies and in the event of troops being stationed in a war zone then a place in camp where they can state their zip code, show ID and voter registration card and get a ballot.

 

[jamesrage]

Just let the people vote any way the want. Why does it have to be a freaking pain in the ass for conservatives to be happy?

Because if let people voting any way they want then we have to worry about the dead and undocumented democrats voting.

Because it hurts liberal voting blocks.

If undocumented democrats IE illegals and the dead are the liberal voting block then your party is in trouble.

 

[jamesrage]

What about closing inner city voting centers? If it was voter ID then that idea has some merit but to make it harder to vote that is BS in the first degree and that has happened in several red states.

What centers are those?

 

[maquiscat]

The county election boards, embassies and in the event of troops being stationed in a war zone then a place in camp where they can state their zip code, show ID and voter registration card and get a ballot.

Ok so we have I'd say about 2 dozen (best guess) military recruiters here in my town. You are saying that my local election board should obtain from each of them the zip code of their home of record and then get a local ballot from that district?

 

[radcen]

Why does a vehicle factor in at all? Seriously. Most people have vehicles, some don't. Do we really need to hand-hold literally every single person to that degree?

 

[DashingAmerican]

Just let the people vote any way the want. Why does it have to be a freaking pain in the ass for conservatives to be happy? Because it hurts liberal voting blocks.

it doesn't matter anyway, nobody pays attention to the ballots, they just walk in and check (R) or (D) and leave.

What's wrong with having voter i.d.? Nothing.

 

[jamesrage]

Ok so we have I'd say about 2 dozen (best guess) military recruiters here in my town. You are saying that my local election board should obtain from each of them the zip code of their home of record and then get a local ballot from that district?

When I was stationed at Fort Hood back in 2000 something like that was done.

 

[maquiscat]

When I was stationed at Fort Hood back in 2000 something like that was done.

To which I would allow that with such a large population the cost might be worth the results. But I specifically asked about all the small towns and cities, where the recruiters are not in their home of record. Is the cost really worth it compared to absentee voting? Also what about those physically incapible of making it out to the physical polls, the elderly and such? You failed to answer that part of my original question.

 

[jamesrage]

To which I would allow that with such a large population the cost might be worth the results. But I specifically asked about all the small towns and cities, where the recruiters are not in their home of record.

Counties are made up of towns and cities.

Is the cost really worth it compared to absentee voting?

Yes.It ensures that the person voting is who they say they are.

Also what about those physically incapible of making it out to the physical polls, the elderly and such? You failed to answer that part of my original question.

If someone is truly bed bound then an election official can make the trip to that person's house. Perhaps a postal worker can pull double duty.

 

[maquiscat]

Counties are made up of towns and cities.

Indeed they are. However, very few, if any, counties have multiple recruiting offices. Regardless the principle holds.

Yes.It ensures that the person voting is who they say they are.

While I agree that such is our common goal, I have seen nothing to show that what you propose is the more cost effective.

If someone is truly bed bound then an election official can make the trip to that person's house. Perhaps a postal worker can pull double duty.

This is something that I have advocated for the registration process. But again, is it more effective to move beyond the current absentee system? I do agree that the absentee system needs to be severely restricted.

 

[jamesrage]

Indeed they are. However, very few, if any, counties have multiple recruiting offices. Regardless the principle holds.

If the number of people is an issue then individual can have a ballot mailed to election office in the county they are working in. It shouldn't cost that much to mail a ballot.

While I agree that such is our common goal, I have seen nothing to show that what you propose is the more cost effective.



This is something that I have advocated for the registration process. But again, is it more effective to move beyond the current absentee system? I do agree that the absentee system needs to be severely restricted.

Ensuring that the voters are who they are say they are is worth any financial costs.

 

[Navy Pride]

Listen I can see the argument for voter ID even though I do not think they are needed but the problem is these redneck laws are not just about voter ID. They are for rolling back voting rights and just plain making it harder to vote when we should be making it less of a pain. What is wrong with voting on Sunday? What is wrong with absentee voting? Why are red states closing places to vote so people without cars have to travel further. Oh I know why. Those people vote liberal. Nice try conservatives but your lies and plots are plain to see. Voter ID my ass.

That is and easy one...If you have voter ID laws the democrats will have a harder time rigging elections.

 

[haymarket]

That is and easy one...If you have voter ID laws the democrats will have a harder time rigging elections.

Can you provide some examples of this to demonstrate the problem you want to rectify actually does exist?

 

[disneydude]

That is and easy one...If you have voter ID laws the democrats will have a harder time rigging elections.

You should be asking yourself the easy question NP? Why can't you Republicans win elections except by making it harder for people to vote? Perhaps its because you lose elections on the issues.

 

[maquiscat]

If the number of people is an issue then individual can have a ballot mailed to election office in the county they are working in. It shouldn't cost that much to mail a ballot.

Ok you might have something here. Paper ballots mailed to and handled by the local election board. Ideally, as things go more electronic, absentee voting can be done via internet. So untill the internet voting thing comes about, what do we do about OTR truckers? They can't exactly predict where they will be when election day comes around with significant notice for the two offices to coordinate for the voting.

Ensuring that the voters are who they are say they are is worth any financial costs.

I won't say any financial cost. But I agree that effort and cost can go above what they are now to ensure only citizens are voting.

Can you provide some examples of this to demonstrate the problem you want to rectify actually does exist?

What I find amazing is that if this level of demonstrating the problem was to be demanded for the number of unreported rape that occurs in collages, there would be an uproar.

 

[haymarket]

What I find amazing is that if this level of demonstrating the problem was to be demanded for the number of unreported rape that occurs in collages, there would be an uproar.

So you cannot provide evidence that such a problem exists. Thank you.

 

[radcen]

What about this person? What about that person? What about this scenario? What about that scenario?

At what point does some of the responsibility lie on the voter them self?

 

[maquiscat]

So you cannot provide evidence that such a problem exists. Thank you.

Even when evidence is provided (there were two examples in this thread alone) the goal posts then shift to "that's not enough". Yet for the most part those who will say that those levels of fraud are not enough are also the ones saying "if it stops just one child/woman/elderly from event then it is worth it!".

So do you hold the same level of proof of unreported rape in college to the same standard of undocumented fraud?

 

[jamesrage]

Ok you might have something here. Paper ballots mailed to and handled by the local election board. Ideally, as things go more electronic, absentee voting can be done via internet. So untill the internet voting thing comes about, what do we do about OTR truckers? They can't exactly predict where they will be when election day comes around with significant notice for the two offices to coordinate for the voting.

Voting should never be done by internet, that it stupid because just opens it up to fraud.

As for truckers a ballot can be mailed to their mailbox,Then they can take that paper ballot to an election office on election day,the election worker verifies who that person is and makes sure that ballot matches up with the person's home address with the precinct , that person makes their choices on the ballot, an election worker certifies it and afterwards it is mailed from the country election office.

 

[disneydude]

Listen I can see the argument for voter ID even though I do not think they are needed but the problem is these redneck laws are not just about voter ID. They are for rolling back voting rights and just plain making it harder to vote when we should be making it less of a pain. What is wrong with voting on Sunday? What is wrong with absentee voting? Why are red states closing places to vote so people without cars have to travel further. Oh I know why. Those people vote liberal. Nice try conservatives but your lies and plots are plain to see. Voter ID my ass.

I have no problem with voter ID laws as long as it is linked up with voter registration and there is no charge.

 

[azgreg]

Anything wrong with throwing a picture on a social security card?

 

[James D Hill]

Anything wrong with throwing a picture on a social security card?

No. That is a good idea. What is a bad idea is making it harder to vote like the GOP is hell bent on doing. It is political and has nothing to do with the law and order angle the right is drumming up.