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Rep. Mike Castle is considered a slam dunk to capture Joe Biden's old Senate seat. Castle is a pro-abortion rights, pro-gun control Republican who often works with Democrats. Those traits have helped make him the most popular Republican in a state that leans heavily Democratic; Castle has twice been elected governor and was elected as Delaware's sole representative in the House nine times.
Delaware Senate Race: A Kamikaze Republican and the Tea Party - ABC News

Here the National Party is pushing someone merely to fill a seat, to meet a quota. They are missing the reason for the Tea Party, the reason for the outrage in America, and if they don't get it soon, will end up losing a lot of voters disgusted with them.

Here is a guy who stands against much of what the Conservative Base is for. He's pro-abortion, pro-gun control and works with Dems a lot. Great, let him run as a ****ing democrat. The GOP is going to have to change, or it we'll see a fleeing of the base. Where? As most of you know I'm NOT a 3rd party guy, but between Boehners dumb ass comment about "I'd work with Dem's for a Compromise".
 

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Do you think O'Donnell has a shot at winning the general if she gains the nomination?
 

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Delaware Senate Race: A Kamikaze Republican and the Tea Party - ABC News

Here the National Party is pushing someone merely to fill a seat, to meet a quota. They are missing the reason for the Tea Party, the reason for the outrage in America, and if they don't get it soon, will end up losing a lot of voters disgusted with them.

Here is a guy who stands against much of what the Conservative Base is for. He's pro-abortion, pro-gun control and works with Dems a lot. Great, let him run as a ****ing democrat. The GOP is going to have to change, or it we'll see a fleeing of the base. Where? As most of you know I'm NOT a 3rd party guy, but between Boehners dumb ass comment about "I'd work with Dem's for a Compromise".
I hope and pray every day that the GOP adopts the position that you are advocating. Alienate the reasonable moderate wing of the GOP and appeal more and more to the radical base. I sincerely hope that the GOP does take your advice.
 

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Delaware Senate Race: A Kamikaze Republican and the Tea Party - ABC News

Here the National Party is pushing someone merely to fill a seat, to meet a quota. They are missing the reason for the Tea Party, the reason for the outrage in America, and if they don't get it soon, will end up losing a lot of voters disgusted with them.

Here is a guy who stands against much of what the Conservative Base is for. He's pro-abortion, pro-gun control and works with Dems a lot. Great, let him run as a ****ing democrat. The GOP is going to have to change, or it we'll see a fleeing of the base. Where? As most of you know I'm NOT a 3rd party guy, but between Boehners dumb ass comment about "I'd work with Dem's for a Compromise".
This race is a mess. Your link talks about the Tea Party Express. However I think Dick Armey's Freedomworks is not backing O'Donnell
I don't know how anyone with good concience can vote for Castle.
We want change damn it!
I feel the same way you do about a 3rd party.

I'm not upset with Boehner yet. I'll wait and see.
 

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What good is a Republican that stands with the Dem's more often then not?
they are good for the dems

its like the RINOs in Maine-not only do they help the dems break filibusters the dems point to them and claim BIPARTISAN support for Obamasocialism
 

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I seriously hope Delaware Replublicans wise up and nominate the only candidate who can actually win (Castle).

If not, any chances of the GOP having a Senate majority can be considered flushed down the toilet.
The Tea Party was smart enough to not align itself with a hack like Hayworth in Arizona; I'm surprised they didn't act so prudently in a deep blue state where they should know they won't be welcome.
 

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What good is a Republican that stands with the Dem's more often then not?
Several times better than a Delaware Democrat, which is what we'll end up with if O'Donnell is nominated.

And Castle doesn't stand with the Dems more often than not; he's a moderate who votes with the GOP 60%-70% of the time. Whereas Coons would vote witht the GOP maybe 2% of the time. And Coons is almost certainly what we'll end up with if O'Donnell is nominated.
 

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Do you think O'Donnell has a shot at winning the general if she gains the nomination?
She does not. Nobody (on the right) wants to talk about it, but even ignoring ideology (which alone would disqualify her from winning in a state as blue as Delaware), she's a kook maybe on par with Sharron Angle. You'd think they would have learned from what happened in that race.


This is really kind of depressing me. I liked the Tea Party, and agree with the attitudes they were helping to spread. But here they're just being unforgivably stupid. Launch a primary challenge from the right in Utah, sure, or Alaska, fine; those are red states where your candidate will probably win anyways. But seriously... Delaware? What are they thinking?
 

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She does not. Nobody (on the right) wants to talk about it, but even ignoring ideology (which alone would disqualify her from winning in a state as blue as Delaware), she's a kook maybe on par with Sharron Angle. You'd think they would have learned from what happened in that race.


This is really kind of depressing me. I liked the Tea Party, and agree with the attitudes they were helping to spread. But here they're just being unforgivably stupid. Launch a primary challenge from the right in Utah, sure, or Alaska, fine; those are red states where your candidate will probably win anyways. But seriously... Delaware? What are they thinking?
What I find depressing is that the "Tea Party" backed Candidates are all being portrayed as kooks, loons and idiots, and so many are buying the crap. The media learned with Palin how to destroy Conservative Candidates. Shame on you Dav.
 

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What I find depressing is that the "Tea Party" backed Candidates are all being portrayed as kooks, loons and idiots, and so many are buying the crap. The media learned with Palin how to destroy Conservative Candidates. Shame on you Dav.
Yeah, you're right, they are... but a stopped watch is right twice a day. Just because people are trying to portray all Tea Party candidates as loons doesn't mean that every once in a while, one of them won't actually be a loon.

Anyways, it doesn't matter. O'Donnell could be the least loonie Tea Partier in the world, but she would still lose because it's Delaware. The choice is between a moderate Republican or a liberal Democrat. I'm disappointed so many conservatives are effectively voting for the latter.
 

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Here the National Party is pushing someone merely to fill a seat, to meet a quota. They are missing the reason for the Tea Party, the reason for the outrage in America, and if they don't get it soon, will end up losing a lot of voters disgusted with them.
If I were in their shoes, and my primary interest was in maintaining the influence of my party machine, I would feel threatened by the Tea Party. Simultaneously, the movement represents many of the principles that the Republican party claims to, and it stands completely outside the control of the party machine. While the bosses may not view the Tea Party movement as a threat serious enough to supplant the party, some of their leadership will most certainly view taking up with the movement as something which empowers it while reducing the influence of the party machine.

That's why the machine will ultimately resist the movement -- not because it wouldn't revitalize the base, not because of principle, but because of a desire to maintain their own influence that is so strong, they'd rather run a candidate that won't pass muster with the base than cede a campaign to the movement.
 

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Yeah, you're right, they are... but a stopped watch is right twice a day. Just because people are trying to portray all Tea Party candidates as loons doesn't mean that every once in a while, one of them won't actually be a loon.

Anyways, it doesn't matter. O'Donnell could be the least loonie Tea Partier in the world, but she would still lose because it's Delaware. The choice is between a moderate Republican or a liberal Democrat. I'm disappointed so many conservatives are effectively voting for the latter.
I'm not arguing that it hurts us tactically in terms of numbers. And I understand it's Delaware, a far left state.

Maybe I'm just tired of being forced to choose between Democrat and Democrat-lite.
 

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I'm not arguing that it hurts us tactically in terms of numbers. And I understand it's Delaware, a far left state.

Maybe I'm just tired of being forced to choose between Democrat and Democrat-lite.
How are you choosing anything? You live in Texas.
 

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Delaware Senate Race: A Kamikaze Republican and the Tea Party - ABC News

Here the National Party is pushing someone merely to fill a seat, to meet a quota. They are missing the reason for the Tea Party, the reason for the outrage in America, and if they don't get it soon, will end up losing a lot of voters disgusted with them.

Here is a guy who stands against much of what the Conservative Base is for. He's pro-abortion, pro-gun control and works with Dems a lot. Great, let him run as a ****ing democrat. The GOP is going to have to change, or it we'll see a fleeing of the base. Where? As most of you know I'm NOT a 3rd party guy, but between Boehners dumb ass comment about "I'd work with Dem's for a Compromise".
This the issue we have with having a two-party system that is bound to come about by a voting system in which the candidate who has a plurality of votes (the most votes) but not a majority (50%+1 of the votes) wins the office.

This is called Duverger's Law, and can be read about here:
Duverger's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Such a system naturally tends to form a broad based two-party system in which both parties have a general platform but politicians of those parties aren't required to conform to that party's doctrine.

On one hand it means we have politicians who stray from the platform of the national party convention. On the other hand, it means our politicians are allowed to "think outside the box" with regards to issues and crises.

Because we have a broad-based two-party system, the party national conventions tend to allow the state Democratic Parties and the state Republican Parties a lot of autonomy in how they operate. For example, state Democratic Parties in the South tend to be just as socially conservative as most Republicans in the South, while state Republican Parties in the Northeast tend to be just as socially liberal as most Democrats in the Northeast.

This allows state parties to operate how they need to in order to represent their constituents. After all, if conservative voters in the Northeast and liberal voters in the Northeast both tend to agree on abortion issues and gun issues, why should a candidate in the Northeast run against those issues just to conform to national party doctrine?

Likewise, if liberal voters in the South and conservative voters in the South both tend to agree on opposing gay marriage and both tend to agree on allowing prayer in public schools, why should a candidate in the South run against those issues just to conform to national party doctrine?

Remember, Congress wasn't designed by the Founding Fathers to represent the needs of voters on a national level. Rather, the House of Representatives was designed to represent voters in districts within a state and the Senate was designed to represent voters of a whole state. Since this is for a Senate seat, if a majority of a state generally agree on abortion issues and gun control issues, I see nothing wrong with a Republican candidate for the Senate running against a Democratic candidate for the Senate on economic and fiscal issues instead.
 

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As most of you know I'm NOT a 3rd party guy, but between Boehners dumb ass comment about "I'd work with Dem's for a Compromise".
You aren't going to get very far in politics if you can't compromise. Do you honestly expect everyone to just follow mindlessly behind some movement which is apparently unwavering and uncompromising?

If you want to know why the government can't accomplish anything, or what it does 'accomplish' is so skewed to one side its because of a lack of compromise. Take for example Obama's heath bill, it was rejected by most Republicans for the very fact that it existed, something you claim they should be proud of, HOWEVER in taking that "My way or the highway" approach they lost all opportunity to influence the bill that was going to be passed anyway because the Dems had a comfortable majority!

So by not compromising you've actually resulted in something worse, from your perspective, being passed into law! Imagine how less bad, again from your perspective, it would have been if Republicans had actually contributed to its design and creation. Now I know compromise is a dirty word to you, but the answer to the question "would you rather have something thats bad, or something else thats bad but not quite as bad" seems pretty obvious to me.
 

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Delaware Senate Race: A Kamikaze Republican and the Tea Party - ABC News

Here the National Party is pushing someone merely to fill a seat, to meet a quota. They are missing the reason for the Tea Party, the reason for the outrage in America, and if they don't get it soon, will end up losing a lot of voters disgusted with them.

Here is a guy who stands against much of what the Conservative Base is for. He's pro-abortion, pro-gun control and works with Dems a lot. Great, let him run as a ****ing democrat. The GOP is going to have to change, or it we'll see a fleeing of the base. Where? As most of you know I'm NOT a 3rd party guy, but between Boehners dumb ass comment about "I'd work with Dem's for a Compromise".
o'donnell is a flake and probably not electable. the problem is that the tea party can't come up with better candidates.
 

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How are you choosing anything? You live in Texas.
Conservatives as a whole, wanting a party that stands for us, but keeps settling for politicians that don't when it matters. I thought that was clear, obviously that was to simple to get.
 

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You aren't going to get very far in politics if you can't compromise. Do you honestly expect everyone to just follow mindlessly behind some movement which is apparently unwavering and uncompromising?

If you want to know why the government can't accomplish anything, or what it does 'accomplish' is so skewed to one side its because of a lack of compromise. Take for example Obama's heath bill, it was rejected by most Republicans for the very fact that it existed, something you claim they should be proud of, HOWEVER in taking that "My way or the highway" approach they lost all opportunity to influence the bill that was going to be passed anyway because the Dems had a comfortable majority!

So by not compromising you've actually resulted in something worse, from your perspective, being passed into law! Imagine how less bad, again from your perspective, it would have been if Republicans had actually contributed to its design and creation. Now I know compromise is a dirty word to you, but the answer to the question "would you rather have something thats bad, or something else thats bad but not quite as bad" seems pretty obvious to me.
Why is it the GOP has to compromise?
 

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o'donnell is a flake and probably not electable. the problem is that the tea party can't come up with better candidates.
Name a single Tea Party backed candidate you aren't being told to call a flake.
 

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Why is it the GOP has to compromise?
EVERYONE has to, thats what happens when you dont have a single party state! Dems and Reps need to learn to compromise with each other so perhaps instead of bills being either entirely "I love it" or "I hate it" for everyone, people can find more room to say "well its ok, not perfect, but I can live with it."

Its better for society since we're all Americans.
 

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EVERYONE has to, thats what happens when you dont have a single party state! Dems and Reps need to learn to compromise with each other so perhaps instead of bills being either entirely "I love it" or "I hate it" for everyone, people can find more room to say "well its ok, not perfect, but I can live with it."

Its better for society since we're all Americans.

Compromise doesn't really work ya know. It's a false dream. Do you compromise on doing what you believe is right and best?
 

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Oh, what's this, you can't find a Tea Party backed Candidate you don't think is a flake? Amazing... no really :roll:
He's asking who do you think is telling him what to think of the Tea Party or O'Donnell specifically. I also think he means to suggest with his question that there is no person telling him who to think are flakes.
 
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