What's real VS What you think.

[ewm90]

Have you ever knottiest despite what party you mite be a part of that there are some clams made on here that just are made up?

Further more when you try to point they out or even show proof they see not to make a difference?

If you have not knotted this happening with you or some one els how has bean posting you probably have not read allot of threads.

Some one might be even frustrated of give up or not care.

This way of doing things is clearly not working.

So what can one do. Well if some one will not lesson its probably because your not lessing to them or are not making it clear you understand them.

Many will say no there just dumb. Lets look at that:

Allot of smart people over time have gotten so swept up in things that could not tell there real from fantasy. Most people how post here because they know some thing of politics witch says some thing about there intelligence and they wont to make a difference.

If some one dose not fell like your listening to them, and hear what they are saying, and get you get it the conversation well become on of trying to argue and be wright about you view.

Some times the best thing to do is be willing to be wrong to make a bigger difference. Example:

The demarcates are bullies and they wont to push health care down our thoughts!!!


(I am feeling defensive about a remarks I thing is wrong, I stop and thing what more important making the demarcates look good or helping with health care reform) The demarcates have bean bullies ( I may not feel like they have but giving this up can crate a opening) I get its bean a pailful time for people in this country and your angry about it. I do think that despite how it has unfolded it can real help people.

(at this point some of the other persons anger has bean defused).

I do wont health care but I don't think the demarcates can do it right.

(You can see the conversation shifts from arguing to talking about concerns.)



Alto of anger you may see or people fixed in there views is from not feeling like the people there talking to are opened and if your not the other person will pick it up like a blood hound.

It can be hard dealing with your self to get to the point where you are fully opened and if you don't wast the time posting because you can guess what going to happen.

 

[Harshaw]

Why is it with you, it can never be that someone just disagrees, no, they must have some problem with perception itself? This is probably the 4th-5th time you've gone down this road.

 

[ewm90]

What it sounds like you are saying correctly me if I can wrong I am dyslexic.
It sounds to me you feel that I don't let things go.

I got how this could be frustrating for you. I have bean very dedicated to my the way I wont things to be.

What could I do to make you feel more opened to talking to me about things?

Why is it with you, it can never be that someone just disagrees, no, they must have some problem with perception itself? This is probably the 4th-5th time you've gone down this road.

 

[Harshaw]

No, I "feel" that you have a certain way that you want things to be, and continually say that people who don't agree with it have a problem with perception -- as in, they "think" things which aren't "real."

 

[ewm90]

No, I "feel" that you have a certain way that you want things to be, and continually say that people who don't agree with it have a problem with perception -- as in, they "think" things which aren't "real."

Ok, you feel like I am taking down to you and am not fully respecting your view.

I could see how one could feel that.

I can assure you what type I real and relay fully respect and think about fully. I don't take any thing you say with any thing less then full respect and if I have not I am sorry and relay regret that.

- I wont to premises you I will fully respect your view point and give them the consideration they deserve. I expect you to hold me to that. I will make this more notable in further posts with you. and I will relay make you feel respected fully.

- What I ask in return is I wont you to get I have bean trained for over 2 years now to look at things at the most basic to relay remove opinions from things and see thing as they are with out any points of view. I wont you to get when I say some thing is the way it is its not the way I think it is its the way it is.

 

[Harshaw]

No. You simply think that your view is "the truth," and those who disagree are just having difficulty seeing it.

And you reconfirmed it here:

- What I ask in return is I wont you to get I have bean trained for over 2 years now to look at things at the most basic to relay remove opinions from things and see thing as they are with out any points of view. I wont you to get when I say some thing is the way it is its not the way I think it is its the way it is.

So hey, I'm glad you offer to "respect" my view, but you still think you know "the truth" and anyone who disagrees is wrong. It's what you keep saying.

 

[other]

I believe that an objective viewpoint is important.

I also believe that there are many people/organizations out there who claim to be objective when they are really the most ardent (and often deceptive) proponents of a particular agenda.

 

[ewm90]

I get how confusing for you its a completely different way of seeing things. and thank you for being in the question.

Correct when you take the truth out of some thing all there is is what there is to see.

If its the truth man can fly man never will never, but if it is so that man can fly man start to ask why and make a new world.

There is no truth as I have posted over and over agin. Its never bean about the truth.

You have to give up that there is a truth to get and then you can see what I see.

I don't think your wrong. I don't think like that I don't think like most people. I operate in a in a way that most never get to experience.

No. You simply think that your view is "the truth," and those who disagree are just having difficulty seeing it.

And you reconfirmed it here:



So hey, I'm glad you offer to "respect" my view, but you still think you know "the truth" and anyone who disagrees is wrong. It's what you keep saying.

 

[Harshaw]

I get how confusing for you its a completely different way of seeing things

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Oh, you do, do you?


Did Landmark bother to teach you anything in those two years about not making assumptions about people, their backgrounds, their educations, and their own ways of thinking based on extremely little evidence? Or, you know, assumptions about anything else, for that matter?

 

[ewm90]

Yes they did and more to actually alter the way I see people to see them nothing but hole and complete.

You are way off.

They way the look at things is not with little evidence its by looking as things at there most basic its taking away every thing until what there is so basic there no way there can be any other way to see.

For example: Water cold wet and blue. Well water is not always blue take out blue. Water is cold and wet, water is not always cold. water is wet, YES.

Water is wet.

Cold and blue where assumptions points or view, or options. What we are left with is some thing that can be another way water is wet.

.

Oh, you do, do you?


Did Landmark bother to teach you anything in those two years about not making assumptions about people, their backgrounds, their educations, and their own ways of thinking based on extremely little evidence? Or, you know, assumptions about anything else, for that matter?

 

[j-mac]

I don't think like that I don't think like most people. I operate in a in a way that most never get to experience.

Whew!!!! Thank GOD for that.



j-mac

 

[ewm90]

Whew!!!! Thank GOD for that.



j-mac

People how do think in this was start allot of non profits/ or community projects. in fact I am going to do what I can to start my own nonprofit hopefully in the next 3 mounts along with about 120 other people starting others community projects.

With out people thinking like this the world would not work well. I just found this way of thinking in Shakespeare and you can find it in allot of people how have done huge things wither there lives more: Einstein, Edition, Mahatma gandhi and so many more.

If you can separate what is real from fantasy your going to end up crating more pain then love in life.

When ones spends times fighting imagined buggy men the real nasty people take over fast and many times the people living in fantasy become a lined with random groups some with the nasty people and don't even see it. People in all walks of life political backdowns are all looking for truth.

 

[j-mac]

People how do think in this was start allot of non profits/ or community projects. in fact I am going to do what I can to start my own nonprofit hopefully in the next 3 mounts along with about 120 other people starting others community projects.

With out people thinking like this the world would not work well. I just found this way of thinking in Shakespeare and you can find it in allot of people how have done huge things wither there lives more: Einstein, Edition, Mahatma gandhi and so many more.

If you can separate what is real from fantasy your going to end up crating more pain then love in life.

When ones spends times fighting imagined buggy men the real nasty people take over fast and many times the people living in fantasy become a lined with random groups some with the nasty people and don't even see it. People in all walks of life political backdowns are all looking for truth.

So you believe that you are on the same level as Einstein, or Edison, or Ghandi? Good luck with that.....:shock:


j-mac

 

[ewm90]

So you believe that you are on the same level as Einstein, or Edison, or Ghandi? Good luck with that.....:shock:


j-mac

That is not what I said. What it may sound like and what is real are to different things.

I have access to some dictions they may have had. I will never know what they thought they are dead. I do know what they did in there lives is something most people don't have asses to. I do have asses to some distinctions that are very much like some they had.

Every one and any one can be a Einstein, or Edison, or Ghandi if they real wont and know how to hone the way they think to have asses to new ways of thinking.

And it is a shocking thought they any one can do any thing.

And luck has nothing to do with it.