What would abortion laws be like if it were solely up to abortion rights advocates?[W

[minnie616]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

I'm beginning to believe the only way to justify being an abortion rights extremist in their own minds is to deny and spin away from a lot of objective truth.

That is your subjective opinion.

 

[JayDubya]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

That is your subjective opinion.

Nope, that is unassailable fact.

 

[AGENT J]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

Nope, that is unassailable fact.

nope just an opinion and one you cant prove at all lmao
posting lies about it wont help your false claim either, this is way the vast majority of your posts are frequently destroyed by many posters and facts.
If you disagree simply defend your argument and prove that the only way to support choice is to deny truth and then prove those truths . . . this will be fun.

who wants to bet this request is dodged

 

[Removable Mind]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

The born aren't exempt from death, but we sure do try to protect them from it. And punish those attempting to bring that death nearer.

Why?........................

 

[JayDubya]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

Why?........................

Odd question. In part because we would want to be protected from aggressive violence ourselves, so we want the rights of others protected.

Treat others how you want to be treated... as it were.

 

[Removable Mind]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
Why is the unborn exempt from death? The born aren't.

YOUR REPLY TO THE ABOVE...

I see, no now you have no issue with killing the born. I'm not particularly surprised.

The above post from you - it should go on David Letter's Top 10 Straw Man post of the Year.

I am going to gracefully ask that you PROVE that "I have no issue with killing born persons" as you have accused me of.

I have NEVER, EVER, in the 3 years that I've posted in DP, advocated for killing born persons - and I am ****ING offended at your accusation.


ALL LIVING THINGS ARE SUBJECT TO DEATH. IT IS INEVITABLE. THAT INCLUDES ALL STAGES OF THE UNBORN.


Question: How many born persons do you believe are exempt from death?

Question: What life forms on this planet are exempt from death?

Question: How many causes of death can born persons experience?

Question: How many causes of death can be experienced by a conception through fully developed fetus?

Question: Are conceptions a sacrosanct event?

Question: Do all conceptions survive to full implantation? If not, why?

Question: Are conceptions subject to natural abortions? If so, why?

Question: Are zygotes, blastocysts, and embryos, and fetuses subject to miscarriage? If so, why?

Question: Do you believe that conceptions exist because of divine intervention or influence for the reason of perpetuating the human species/souls?

Question: Do you believe that preborn are ensouled by a supreme being. If so, at what stage?

Question: Are some unborn malformed and unable to survive through gestation or beyond birth?

Question: Do still births occur among some unborn? If so, why?

Question: Do you believe that once a woman conceives that she loses any or all of her Constitutional rights?

Question: Do you believe that once a woman conceives that she needs to be reported to government?

Question: Do you believe that once a woman conceives that she is not equal to the conception?

Question: Do you believe that once a woman gives birth that taxpayers should be responsible for the welfare of that child until 18 years of age?

Question: Do you believe women should be forced to give birth all reasons - other than their own resulting death from delivery?

Question: Do you believe that a woman who seeks advice and/or treatment with a physician should register with government that she has sought help?

Question: Do you believe that a woman is less equal to you?

 

[Lursa]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

How about developing fetuses then? They have a right to kill their fetus don't they?

Yes. Clearly.

 

[Lursa]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

Again, if it were that simple, there wouldn't be a national debate.

And abortion is the ending of a pregnancy by killing the developing offspring. Fact.

Yes, so?

It should be obvious that pro-choice people respect the rights of the woman and the SCOTUS decision supporting her right to privacy AND the decision that the fetus is not a person and therefore has no rights.

 

[Lursa]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

Treat others how you want to be treated... as it were.

And here we have exhibit number one of the ability of pro-life people to disassociate from reality.

An embryo, a fetus, knows nothing, including how it is treated.

And if you want to relate back to the other OP (XFactor's).....then it's treating the woman poorly...making her sick, even killing her.

How can anyone expect to be taken seriously when they believe such nonsense?

 

[Scrabaholic]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

Just because abortion is legal doesn't mean it isn't murdering an innocent HUMAN being.

Yeah, it does - since murder, by definition, is an illegal act.

 

[Del Zeppnile]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

They have a right to privacy regarding the zone of reproductivty which includes the right to privacy using contraceptives and having a legal abortion within the parameters of Roe vs Wade.

... in other words, kill their baby.

 

[minnie616]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

Reproductive choice including contraception and legal abortions within the parameters of Roe vs Wade is a part of our religious liberty in the USA.

 

[Del Zeppnile]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

Yeah, it does - since murder, by definition, is an illegal act.

I know what the definition of murder is (unlawful killing of a human being or a fetus). An abortion may not be unlawful, but neither was it once unlawful to kill your slave in this country. Just because there may be a 'law' allowing something, does not make that law right. Laws can be re-written and changed a million times. A "law" is not necessarily a just law.

When you kill a developing human being you may have a legal right to do that currently. The same way you once had the legal right to enslave another human being and kill them at your will. For me personally, I am against the killing of developing human beings. I am against legalized murder.

 

[Removable Mind]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

... in other words, kill their baby.

If a fetus can survive and thrive outside the womb...then it's a "baby".

 

[Removable Mind]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

When you kill a developing human being you may have a legal right to do that currently. I am against legalized murder.

Does that apply to war and executions conducted by federal and state correctional authorities?

 

[Del Zeppnile]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

Does that apply to war and executions conducted by federal and state correctional authorities?

You would have to demonstrate that a fetus is a threat or guilty of some offense. On that basis then the only justification could be a abortion that is to save a mother's life--- which is not to say to prevent her from having swollen ankles.

What crime has a baby committed?

 

[Removable Mind]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

You would have to demonstrate that a fetus is a threat or guilty of some offense. On that basis then the only justification could be a abortion that is to save a mother's life--- which is not to say to prevent her from having swollen ankles.

What crime has a baby committed?

You stated, "I'm against legalized murder." Isn't that what war is? Isn't that what state executions are? We're talking about killing others. Taking the lives of others.

Taking lives...regardless of the method is okay with you as long as their born?

 

[Scrabaholic]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

I know what the definition of murder is (unlawful killing of a human being or a fetus). An abortion may not be unlawful, but neither was it once unlawful to kill your slave in this country. Just because there may be a 'law' allowing something, does not make that law right. Laws can be re-written and changed a million times. A "law" is not necessarily a just law.

When you kill a developing human being you may have a legal right to do that currently. The same way you once had the legal right to enslave another human being and kill them at your will. For me personally, I am against the killing of developing human beings. I am against legalized murder.

There is no such thing as 'legalized murder'. If it's legal, it CANNOT be murder. Period.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

You would have to demonstrate that a fetus is a threat or guilty of some offense. On that basis then the only justification could be a abortion that is to save a mother's life--- which is not to say to prevent her from having swollen ankles.

What crime has a baby committed?

It doesn't have to commit a crime. The woman is acting in self defense, since pregnancy stretches her body all out of proportion, causes her great pain, especially in childbirth potentially puts her life and health at risk, and can cause a host of other side effects, some of which will affect her body for the rest of her life.

 

[choiceone]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

Again, if it were that simple, there wouldn't be a national debate.

And abortion is the ending of a pregnancy by killing the developing offspring. Fact.

Actually, most abortions occur so early in pregnancy that your wording is factually incorrect. The correct wording in cases of medical abortion using mifepristone/misoprostol is that abortion ends the pregnancy and the embryo ceases to receive life support from the woman's body as a result.

 

[Del Zeppnile]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

You stated, "I'm against legalized murder." Isn't that what war is? Isn't that what state executions are? We're talking about killing others. Taking the lives of others.

Taking lives...regardless of the method is okay with you as long as their born?

Obviously a logical fallacy. The difference is the distinction of an innocent life.

But taking the lives of babies is equal to taking the life of an aggressor in self defense with you I guess?

 

[Del Zeppnile]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

It doesn't have to commit a crime. The woman is acting in self defense, since pregnancy stretches her body all out of proportion, causes her great pain, especially in childbirth potentially puts her life and health at risk, and can cause a host of other side effects, some of which will affect her body for the rest of her life.

Well I never thought of it that way. Breast feeding a baby might cause some discomfort too; and maybe even stretch things there too. And while were at it, how about lifting babies out highchairs and car seats? Could damage a lower disk in your back. I'll bet all the worrying and other things over raising children can take years of your life.

Thank you friend for helping me see the light. Better to kill a baby than possibly suffer any health issues or other inconveniences. Thank you for convincing me!

 

[Removable Mind]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

Obviously a logical fallacy. The difference is the distinction of an innocent life.

But taking the lives of babies is equal to taking the life of an aggressor in self defense with you I guess?

The unborn aren't innocent...

 

[Del Zeppnile]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

The unborn aren't innocent...

What are they guilty of?

 

[choiceone]

Re: What would abortion laws look like if it were solely up to abortion rights advoca

Well I never thought of it that way. Breast feeding a baby might cause some discomfort too; and maybe even stretch things there too. And while were at it, how about lifting babies out highchairs and car seats? Could damage a lower disk in your back. I'll bet all the worrying and other things over raising children can take years of your life.

Thank you friend for helping me see the light. Better to kill a baby than possibly suffer any health issues or other inconveniences. Thank you for convincing me!

You are ignoring the main differences.

Any born baby is a voluntarily undertaken responsibility because at birth one can give it up for adoption and never do any of the breastfeeding, lifting, etc.

Even if you voluntarily undertake the responsibility of a parent, if it is uncomfortable to breastfeed, you can feed the baby formula; if it is uncomfortable or damaging to your health to lift the baby, you can get your husband to do it or pay a nanny to do it.

Finally, if you can't handle the physical labor of being a parent 24/7, you don't have to. You can have others relieve you, so that you don't have to go nine months without even a one minute break from physical labor. No one but a pregnant woman and Jesus Christ has ever been expected to do physical labor to serve the needs of anyone without any break for sleep, rest, time out, or because of physical pain and sickness.

That you care more about a fictional fetus than an actual human being tells us all we need to know about this. You are willing to force a human being who is a person to endure even painful physical labor for nine months on a 24/7 basis, breaking all of the labor laws in the US and the amendment against involuntary servitude, for the sake of something that doesn't even exhibit human brain waves until the last few weeks and may not even be born alive. But you'll never let anyone do that to you and wouldn't do it even to save a baby's life, and you know it.