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What was that about the Dems/Biden being controlled by the "radical left"?

Cameron said:
More projection, apparently. The Dem party easily put down multiple progressive challenges in successive presidential primaries and previous speaker fights.
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Progressives are in no way a counterpart to the extremist right.
 
Cameron said:
More projection, apparently. The Dem party easily put down multiple progressive challenges in successive presidential primaries and previous speaker fights. The only party that is under the control of an extremist wing is the GOP, as this Speaker debacle makes indisputable. The most ridiculous thing about this situation is that 201 Republicans are willing to give 20 political arsonists (19 election deniers, one who barely won her ruby red district, another who was investigated for sex trafficking of a minor) literally anything they want rather than make a deal with a handful Dems for a consensus candidate in an almost 50/50 House. When even MTG calls GOP extremists embarrassing you know things have gone off the deep end....
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Psst. Biden is the radical wing of the Dem party
 
Craig234 said:
Progressives are in no way a counterpart to the extremist right.
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The ones who get elected to the federal government like AOC, Warren, and Sanders are mostly practical when it is important to be practical. The ones who ran on defund the police are more analogous to the extremist right, but most of them lost even in local elections in progressive areas like NYC, which only supports my point.
 
Perotista said:
I’d be fine with a consensus candidate or speaker. But we just had a house where the democrats held a 222-213 advantage which was the same as the Republicans now having their 222-212 advantage, 1 vacancy. If the Democrats want a deal and a consensus speaker why didn’t they do it in 2020, it was almost 50-50 then. Why not a power sharing agreement in the senate with the 50-50 tie in 2020? In the last 50-50 tie, there was a power sharing agreement reached between party leaders Lott and Daschle.

https://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/05/senate.powershare/index.html

I figure the power sharing agreement which happened in 2001 in the senate was before today’s modern political era set in of polarization, the great divide, the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship. 2001 was in a political era more akin to compromise, playing the old game of give and take, working across the aisle whenever possible. Now both major parties want to burn the other at the stake, destroy them completely for one party rule from here to eternity. Both want no opposition, just complete control.

If the democrats, in the house and in the senate didn’t follow Lott’s and Daschle’s example in 2020, why should the Republicans do so today? The problem is both partiy leaders has become party firsters in first Reid and McConnell, now Schumer, Pelosi and Hastert, followed by Boehmer, who wanted to work with Obama, the Republican house members wouldn’t let him and he resigned. Then Ryan and now McCarthy etc. Party first, nation somewhere further down the line. Both major parties only govern for their base, not all of America or the remaining 70% as each party’s base is around 30% of the electorate.

Sure, I’d like to see a consensus speaker. It won’t happen. The democrats could have had one in 2020 to lead the way in an almost 50-50 house and in an 50-50 senate following Lott’s and Daschle’s example.
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Seems to me the D's in the HoR got a bunch of big stuff done with that small majority and a split Senate. Elected R's are not interested in governing.
 
Cameron said:
The ones who get elected to the federal government like AOC, Warren, and Sanders are mostly practical when it is important to be practical.
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Any cases they were 'extremist' and a counterpart to the right, even if they usually aren't?

Cameron said:
The ones who ran on defund the police are more analogous to the extremist right, but most of them lost even in local elections in progressive areas like NYC, which only supports my point.
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Any list who ran for Congress who meant 'defund the police' in a terrible way, not meaning to shift some priorities? Is that the only issue, 'defund the police'? If most lost, any in Congress who won?
 
Craig234 said:
Any cases they were 'extremist' and a counterpart to the right, even if they usually aren't?



Any list who ran for Congress who meant 'defund the police' in a terrible way, not meaning to shift some priorities? Is that the only issue, 'defund the police'? If most lost, any in Congress who won?
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I was agreeing with you Craig when it comes to congressional progressives. While there are very radical progressives that exist on the local level, the point is that they do not control or even have any real role in national (or even statewide) politics, unlike the GOP extremists that control the national GOP party.

There is no need to fight or count the number of radical progressives that exist.
 
mrjurrs said:
Seems to me the D's in the HoR got a bunch of big stuff done with that small majority and a split Senate. Elected R's are not interested in governing.
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I think what you’ll see over the next two years is a deeply divided Republican Party where MAGA Republicans will be fighting non-MAGA Republicans for control of the GOP. A civil war within the GOP. This stance by the 20 or so MAGA Republicans against McCarthy is a way they’re still trying to retain power, continuing to being the ultimate power within the Republican Party. The problem is that non-MAGA Republicans now outnumber MAGA Republicans 47-36 if the YouGov poll is correct. Question 92

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/by8wjw1hur/econTabReport.pdf

Non-MAGA Republicans are tired of losing. The GOP lost the house in 2018, the presidency and the senate in 2020. Then when a red wave was expected, they got a red trickle. You could call this year’s midterms a blue trickle as the democrats gained a senate seat along with 2 governorships while limiting their house loses to 9 seats. Trump and his MAGA Republicans are fading away and this fight over the speakership is their last-ditch effort to retain power they see slipping from their fingers. My take on this anyway.
 
Perotista said:
Why not a power sharing agreement in the senate with the 50-50 tie in 2020? In the last 50-50 tie, there was a power sharing agreement reached between party leaders Lott and Daschle.
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The power sharing agreement in the last Congress was almost identical to the one in 2001. https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/politics/senate-power-sharing-agreement-reached/index.html

“This power-sharing agreement is almost identical to the 2001 agreement and will allow the Senate to be fairly run as an evenly-split body,” McConnell said in a statement after the agreement was approved.
 
Cameron said:
I was agreeing with you Craig when it comes to congressional progressives. While there are very radical progressives that exist on the local level, the point is that they do not control or even have any real role in national (or even statewide) politics, unlike the GOP extremists that control the national GOP party.

There is no need to fight or count the number of radical progressives that exist.
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I understand you mostly were, but some of your language left that it was just partial, and there was still some disagreement about the federal level. We agree about 'local' people, but you seemed to be leaving the door open that Progressives in Congress only were 'usually' not extremist, that extremists usually weren't elected to Congress, etc.

I was addressing those doors you left open as quoted before, to get more info on the exceptions or close the door, that Progressives in Congress are not extremist counterparts period, not just mostly; that no extremist counterparts were elected to Congress, not just most weren't.
 
Perotista said:
The democrats could have had one in 2020 to lead the way in an almost 50-50 house and in an 50-50 senate following Lott’s and Daschle’s example.
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Imagine Lott and Daschle presiding over a legislative body where 147 members were in favor of insurrection.
Your premise fails in ways that are beyond measure.
 
Perotista said:
I think what you’ll see over the next two years is a deeply divided Republican Party where MAGA Republicans will be fighting non-MAGA Republicans for control of the GOP. A civil war within the GOP.
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And yet further up in this thread you're laying the responsibility for this on Dems who won't accept some Lott-Daschle style power sharing agreement.
Look, this is Peak Trumpism and that's all it is. The Gang of Twenty consist of the main comfort givers to the insurrectionists.
And yet here you are, attempting to make it the Dem's fault.

Laughable and pathetic.
 
Perotista said:
I think what you’ll see over the next two years is a deeply divided Republican Party where MAGA Republicans will be fighting non-MAGA Republicans for control of the GOP. A civil war within the GOP. This stance by the 20 or so MAGA Republicans against McCarthy is a way they’re still trying to retain power, continuing to being the ultimate power within the Republican Party. The problem is that non-MAGA Republicans now outnumber MAGA Republicans 47-36 if the YouGov poll is correct. Question 92

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/by8wjw1hur/econTabReport.pdf

Non-MAGA Republicans are tired of losing. The GOP lost the house in 2018, the presidency and the senate in 2020. Then when a red wave was expected, they got a red trickle. You could call this year’s midterms a blue trickle as the democrats gained a senate seat along with 2 governorships while limiting their house loses to 9 seats. Trump and his MAGA Republicans are fading away and this fight over the speakership is their last-ditch effort to retain power they see slipping from their fingers. My take on this anyway.
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It gets late early in House races. Staring back in the pack but with possible closing speed (stretching the horse race metaphor a bit), the 18 elected Reps from districts President Biden won, and falling off the back could be a number of elected R Reps with potential DoJ issues.

Unified government by Christmas?
 
mrjurrs said:
It gets late early in House races. Staring back in the pack but with possible closing speed (stretching the horse race metaphor a bit), the 18 elected Reps from districts President Biden won, and falling off the back could be a number of elected R Reps with potential DoJ issues.

Unified government by Christmas?
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The Republican Party when in the minority has been unified. They are all unified against the democrats. But once in the majority, they tend to splinter into factions. At least that has been the recent history of the GOP. Perhaps faced with a Democratic president and a Democratic controlled senate, they may unify by Christmas. Republicans in the house know whatever they pass is dead on arrival in the senate and if by a remote chance clears the senate, it faces veto by Biden. No meaningful legislation for the next two years unless both sides are forced by unforeseen circumstances to come together on something.

Love her or hate her, Pelosi was very good at keeping the Democratic controlled house unified. McCarthy can’t do that. But being basically in opposition as the Democrats have the senate and the presidency, he may not need to. The Republicans will control the committees, they will be able to advance what they want and kill what they want. McCarthy by being speaker can control what legislation comes to a floor vote or not. Fact is or at least my opinion is that the Republican controlled house only wants to stop the Biden agenda in its track. That they’ll have the unity to do so. As for passing any legislation, I doubt they’ll worry about that except for show, for campaign purposes knowing that the Democratic controlled senate will kill it, table it or vote it down. Republicans then can say we tried to do this or improve that, but the Democrats killed it.
 
Everything they accuse others of...
 
bubbabgone said:
Sorry, but it should be clear that the Democratics are the authoritarian Party.
Look how they and the media celebrate how they all fall in line in the Speaker battle.
They do what they're told.
Some say the "D" stands for Dictatorship.
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This is the most humorous post of the month.

A BOLD FACED lie based on hate.

Wow, the GOP just keeps getting worse with its lies, propaganda, power trips and anything that even remotely resembles actual government.

Are you PROUD these **** offs and malcontents just wasted four days?


And all you can do is fabricate bullshit about a political party you don't even know.

I pity America. You are all so mind controlled, say Rhino and half the population shits their pants, the other half has an orgasm. Republicans aren't a political party, their a gang without the balls to ride a motor cycle, a gang who gets brain dead survivalists to fight their wars for them.

I see those shit bags sitting there so smug where not long ago their minions were on a killing rampage trying to destroy what is a republic in decline. MCCarthy and co should be in prison.
 
Perotista said:
The Republican Party when in the minority has been unified. They are all unified against the democrats. But once in the majority, they tend to splinter into factions. At least that has been the recent history of the GOP. Perhaps faced with a Democratic president and a Democratic controlled senate, they may unify by Christmas. Republicans in the house know whatever they pass is dead on arrival in the senate and if by a remote chance clears the senate, it faces veto by Biden. No meaningful legislation for the next two years unless both sides are forced by unforeseen circumstances to come together on something.

Love her or hate her, Pelosi was very good at keeping the Democratic controlled house unified. McCarthy can’t do that. But being basically in opposition as the Democrats have the senate and the presidency, he may not need to. The Republicans will control the committees, they will be able to advance what they want and kill what they want. McCarthy by being speaker can control what legislation comes to a floor vote or not. Fact is or at least my opinion is that the Republican controlled house only wants to stop the Biden agenda in its track. That they’ll have the unity to do so. As for passing any legislation, I doubt they’ll worry about that except for show, for campaign purposes knowing that the Democratic controlled senate will kill it, table it or vote it down. Republicans then can say we tried to do this or improve that, but the Democrats killed it.
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I'll check back when I stop laughing.

Unified as in being in constant battle, yes. What you claim is absurd bullshit without a shred of proof.

Before you reply, have a look at What The Fist Asshole has been claiming in 'Truth Social", not one GOOD word about any republicans. He rips them harder than he rips dems.

Unity is something the republican party wishes were possible and that's as close as they get. You spend more time fighting with each other than the dems. Read anything by Hari Kari Lake the fake lately?

Unity my ass. You're little more than a biker gang without the balls to ride a motorcycle
 
IQ57 said:
That’s the Leftist oath.

Projection and lies.

Propaganda and brainwashing.
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you make really weird posts almost like you lay on Fox "news" all day and then run here to say something.
 
^^Still stuck on the propaganda machine.
 
bubbabgone said:
Sorry, but it should be clear that the Democratics are the authoritarian Party.
Look how they and the media celebrate how they all fall in line in the Speaker battle.
They do what they're told.
Some say the "D" stands for Dictatorship.
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Lol, love it. The dems changed their whole leadership structure to let younger blood in instead of Hoyer and Clyburn and Pelosi willingly stepped down. All without any pain. What I'm hearing from you sounds like jealousy and envy that your party is such a mess.
 
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