What surge?

[Good4Nothin]

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

These graphs show that covid cases have been increasing, but deaths have not. So why is there hysteria again? Case counts don't mean much, since cases are often mild or symptomless. The only counts that matter are serious cases and deaths. And you don't see that on these graphs.

 

[MTAtech]

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

These graphs show that covid cases have been increasing, but deaths have not. So why is there hysteria again? Case counts don't mean much, since cases are often mild or symptomless. The only counts that matter are serious cases and deaths. And you don't see that on these graphs.

The Delta variant is far more dangerous.

BREAKING NEWS:
Covid-19 in Arkansas:
24 children have been admitted to UAMS HOSPITAL in Little Rock.
Seven of the children are in the ICU.
Four children are on ventilators.
None were vaccinated.

 

[Good4Nothin]

The Delta variant is far more dangerous.

BREAKING NEWS:
Covid-19 in Arkansas:
24 children have been admitted to UAMS HOSPITAL in Little Rock.
Seven of the children are in the ICU.
Four children are on ventilators.
None were vaccinated.

Why aren't deaths increasing on the worldometer graph?

 

[KevinKohler]

Why aren't deaths increasing on the worldometer graph?

Vaccines?


Just a shot in the dark.

 

[Mycroft]

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

These graphs show that covid cases have been increasing, but deaths have not. So why is there hysteria again? Case counts don't mean much, since cases are often mild or symptomless. The only counts that matter are serious cases and deaths. And you don't see that on these graphs.

This is what it's all about...at least, here in the US.

CDC Changes Mask Rules for Vaccinated Persons and Recommended Indoor Masks for All Schools This Fall - The Last Refuge

The Center for Disease Control (CDC) issued the anticipated changes in their guidance for masks today modifying prior guidance for vaccinated persons [CDC Guidance Here]. Vaccinated and non-Vaccinated persons are now recommended to wear masks indoors. Additionally, teachers, staff, students...

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I suspect certain other countries are playing the same game.

As they say...never let a good crisis go to waste.

 

[Argent]

Info on what's happening in Louisiana https://www.wwno.org/public-health/...ns-up-400-in-a-month-as-delta-variant-spreads

Deaths aren't the only thing to consider. Having our health care workers and hospitals once again overwhelmed by covid patients is something we should try to avoid.

 

[Liam]

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

These graphs show that covid cases have been increasing, but deaths have not. So why is there hysteria again? Case counts don't mean much, since cases are often mild or symptomless. The only counts that matter are serious cases and deaths. And you don't see that on these graphs.

We are having the same debate here in the UK. We know that higher case rates make the creation of new variants more likely hence the need for some for of mitigation. Another factor is that even with a lower death rate, hospital admission will continue to rise (even if at a much slower rate) if cases rise, inevitably putting pressure on health services if unmitigated. Finally, I do appreciate the frustration as the vaccines clearly cut the link between case positivity and deaths but obviously it doesn't completely break the link hence the need for caution

 

[MTAtech]

Why aren't deaths increasing on the worldometer graph?

Because many are vaccinated. The only people catching the virus are unvaccinated. Give it a month and you will see deaths spike. A person with the Delta variant can infect 55,000 people in 24 days. That's about 500x what the original could do.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Info on what's happening in Louisiana https://www.wwno.org/public-health/...ns-up-400-in-a-month-as-delta-variant-spreads

Deaths aren't the only thing to consider. Having our health care workers and hospitals once again overwhelmed by covid patients is something we should try to avoid.

I said that deaths AND serious cases are what we care about. But we don't see any surge in deaths on the worldometer page. They don't break down cases into serious or not.

 

[ataraxia]

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

These graphs show that covid cases have been increasing, but deaths have not. So why is there hysteria again? Case counts don't mean much, since cases are often mild or symptomless. The only counts that matter are serious cases and deaths. And you don't see that on these graphs.

The comparative mortality of the Delta variant to the original one is not yet clear. Studies are ongoing. What's clear is that it is more transmissible, and hospitalization rates are higher. Anyone who says otherwise is making stuff up. Don't spread misinformation. Here is what we know:

"Research is ongoing to determine if Delta infection is associated with increased hospitalization and death. One early study assessing the risk of hospital admission in Scotland reported that hospitalization is twice as likely in unvaccinated individuals with Delta than in unvaccinated individuals with Alpha.

Case numbers and hospitalizations are once again on the rise in the U.S., especially in states where vaccination percentages are low and the Delta variant is surging. On July 16, 2021, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported a 7-day average increase in new COVID-19 cases of 69.3% and a 35% increase in hospitalizations. Still, it is difficult to determine whether Delta is actually making people sicker than previous forms of the virus or if it is simply circulating amongst more vulnerable populations where case numbers are high, vaccination rates are low and increased stress on hospital systems is impacting patient care and disease outcomes. "

How Dangerous Is the Delta Variant (B.1.617.2)? | ASM.org

Delta has quickly become the dominant SARS-CoV-2 variant in over a dozen countries around the world. How contagious and deadly is this variant? Will vaccines remain protective against Delta?

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Get the vaccine.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

These graphs show that covid cases have been increasing, but deaths have not. So why is there hysteria again? Case counts don't mean much, since cases are often mild or symptomless. The only counts that matter are serious cases and deaths. And you don't see that on these graphs.

so sick children mean little to you, ok understood.

 

[CaughtInThe]

These graphs show that covid cases have been increasing

we don't want that. that's how variants pop up.

 

[Good4Nothin]

We are having the same debate here in the UK. We know that higher case rates make the creation of new variants more likely hence the need for some for of mitigation. Another factor is that even with a lower death rate, hospital admission will continue to rise (even if at a much slower rate) if cases rise, inevitably putting pressure on health services if unmitigated. Finally, I do appreciate the frustration as the vaccines clearly cut the link between case positivity and deaths but obviously it doesn't completely break the link hence the need for caution

NO! You are implying that cases usually lead to death, and that is SO UNTRUE. Vaccines cut that a little, but the infection always had a very low risk of death.

Before getting hysterical, we need to know if the death rate, and the serious case rate, is increasing. Just being told case counts means nothing.

 

[MrWonka]

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

These graphs show that covid cases have been increasing, but deaths have not. So why is there hysteria again?

Because deaths follow cases genius. You don't die the instant you get covid. Generally, your symptoms get worse and worse and until you're in a hospital where you die of covid related pneumonia-like three to four weeks after you tested positive.
If cases are rising deaths will follow.

 

[Liam]

NO! You are implying that cases usually lead to death, and that is SO UNTRUE. Vaccines cut that a little, but the infection always had a very low risk of death.

Before getting hysterical, we need to know if the death rate, and the serious case rate, is increasing. Just being told case counts means nothing.

Clearly didn't read/understand what I meant. Even if death count is lower than in previous times, an increase in cases means increased hospitalizations meaning more pressure on health service. It also means more room for new variants which could easily be more deadly.

I didn't imply that cases usually lead to deaths, that would be stupid but cases (in high volume) will lead to increased risk of new variants, pressure on health service and eventually higher death totals

 

[Lovebug]

Why aren't deaths increasing on the worldometer graph?

Got a better question. Who wants another shut down? Anyone?
Any ideas how those bugs cruise? They are a tad smarter that the anti vaxxers and the no maskers combined. Without even having a brain, those little boogers can bring us to our knees again. I don't think my no mask wearing anti vaxxing neighbors could afford it, even with Joe's helping hand.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Because deaths follow cases genius. You don't die the instant you get covid. Generally, your symptoms get worse and worse and until you're in a hospital where you die of covid related pneumonia-like three to four weeks after you tested positive.
If cases are rising deaths will follow.

No one knows right now if death counts will rise. They don't know the mortality rate of the Delta variant.

 

[Hamish Howl]

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

These graphs show that covid cases have been increasing, but deaths have not. So why is there hysteria again? Case counts don't mean much, since cases are often mild or symptomless. The only counts that matter are serious cases and deaths. And you don't see that on these graphs.

Given that this is the 4th wave, you'd THINK people would remember there is a 2-3 week lag between case count and deaths.

Silly, but there you have it.

 

[Argent]

They don't know the mortality rate of the Delta variant.

We may never have accurate data about that as it seems that some places always test for the variant, some never test for the variant, some sporadically test for the variant.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Clearly didn't read/understand what I meant. Even if death count is lower than in previous times, an increase in cases means increased hospitalizations meaning more pressure on health service. It also means more room for new variants which could easily be more deadly.

I didn't imply that cases usually lead to deaths, that would be stupid but cases (in high volume) will lead to increased risk of new variants, pressure on health service and eventually higher death totals

No one knows any of that. Different viruses, or variants, have different rates of serious cases and death.

 

[Paradoxical]

Vaccines?


Just a shot in the dark.

This is very mild.

Just a shot in the dark.

 

[craig]

No one knows right now if death counts will rise. They don't know the mortality rate of the Delta variant.

We have to error on the side of caution, if we wait until we do know and it is more deadly then it will mean another lock down.

 

[Paradoxical]

Given that this is the 4th wave, you'd THINK people would remember there is a 2-3 week lag between case count and deaths.

Silly, but there you have it.

Is the CDC now showing those whowere vaccinated who are getting its new variant?

 

[Airyaman]

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

These graphs show that covid cases have been increasing, but deaths have not. So why is there hysteria again? Case counts don't mean much, since cases are often mild or symptomless. The only counts that matter are serious cases and deaths. And you don't see that on these graphs.

Death is the only thing we should be worried about. Double lung transplants? No problem! Long term issues? Hey, better than death!! 30 days in the hospital? No biggie, at least I didn't die!!!

You'd make a great industrial boss from the 1940s.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Death is the only thing we should be worried about. Double lung transplants? No problem! Long term issues? Hey, better than death!! 30 days in the hospital? No biggie, at least I didn't die!!!

You'd make a great industrial boss from the 1940s.

Most people who are infected do NOT have a serious case.