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What should we do about Detroit?

well, i guess we can leave Detroit to rot, and you can pay entitlements to the displaced workers instead of hiring them to do something.

and even if you vote Republican, the entitlements will still be paid. no matter who wins, we don't let people starve in the streets.

No, we don't, but most people who are otherwise employable have already left Detroit so we're not paying for more people than we had been when Detroit was a thriving metropolis.
 
No, I do not like rewarding bad decisions and behaviors because you will get more of it.

Such as electing any of the war mongering GOP Presidential contenders like Rubio.

Who is the one supporting modest trade tariffs and fair trade as to insure we are not priced out or blocked in foreign markets?

Your GOP has always been for unfair trade deals since Reagan and the first one with Israel.
That's why Perot ran against Bush-43 and kept him from office .
 
Who wants to get rid of of a convoluted and biased tax system with one that levels the playing field and doe not punish people for bring back money into America (Why the Hell would anyone punish anyone bring money made overseas back into America?)

Not the GOP House--they had their chance last year and refused to take up their own Tax Rewrite bill.

Who is the one who supports states rights and reducing Federal Power?

None of us want another civil war based on that premise--do you?

Who supports ending then NSA?

Not the leader of the Senate, McConnell.
He wants the Patriot Act passed without changing it.

Who is the one who supports getting out of the middle east and stopping wasting countless lives and trillions on worthless wars?

Not the GOP--the party you support--you have a short memory of what YER party did to America and the VA last decade.

supports ending the war on drugs?

YER party started and continues the war on drugs.
 
Well who gave them tax cuts to leave?
What nation on Earth pay its industries to leave?

Which President signed the first trade pact give-away?
Signed the first amnesty?
Was the first to have 400+ billion deficits--dwarfing those in today's dollars?
Was guilty of high crimes and felonies far worse than Nixon but was let off the hook by Tip O'Neill ?
 
Such as electing any of the war mongering GOP Presidential contenders like Rubio.



Your GOP has always been for unfair trade deals since Reagan and the first one with Israel.
That's why Perot ran against Bush-43 and kept him from office .

Rubio burned his bridge when supporting Amnesty.

Really? Who helped pass and signed NAFTA?
 
Which President signed the first trade pact give-away?
Signed the first amnesty?
Was the first to have 400+ billion deficits--dwarfing those in today's dollars?
Was guilty of high crimes and felonies far worse than Nixon but was let off the hook by Tip O'Neill ?

Which party controlled Congress and put such bills on his desk to begin with?
 
Not the GOP House--they had their chance last year and refused to take up their own Tax Rewrite bill.

That was a nothing more then a tax increase.

None of us want another civil war based on that premise--do you?

Why do you assume we will have another civil war?

Their wont be one, just give states our powers and rights back.

Dont like it? Fine, just allow us to leave.




Not the leader of the Senate, McConnell.
He wants the Patriot Act passed without changing it.


He is a Neo Con..They are worse then leftists.


Not the GOP--the party you support--you have a short memory of what YER party did to America and the VA last decade.

Really? What part of of Rino/War hawks do you not understand.


YER party started and continues the war on drugs.

Really? Have you seen who supports ending?

Give you a hint overwhelming Red.
 
Refurbish it into an auto capital of the world again.
That isn't going to happen.





Germany rebuilt after ww2 and Japan rebuilt from the ashes of 2 nuclear bombs. Detroit needs to be rebuilt.
1. Not the same.
2. Rebuilt with who's assistance?





Shipping jobs overseas?.....abandoning their country in order to make ever more money?
Ghastly business......downright un-American I'd say.
Whether you like it or not, the movement of jobs to a lower cost base is inevitable.

Making a profit and providing demanded low costs to consumers is an American thing.
 
That isn't going to happen.





1. Not the same.
2. Rebuilt with who's assistance?





Whether you like it or not, the movement of jobs to a lower cost base is inevitable.

Making a profit and providing demanded low costs to consumers is an American thing.

If we do not like maybe we should cut regulations, have a flat tax making America a cheaper place to do business.
 
If we do not like maybe we should cut regulations, have a flat tax making America a cheaper place to do business.

That still isn't going to prevent jobs from moving. Nor should they be prevented.
 
No, I do not like rewarding bad decisions and behaviors because you will get more of it.

Really? How do I advocate for that?

you said that not letting people starve in the streets was part of the problem.

Who is the one supporting a secure border, and limited immigration as to secure and protect the value of labor of the American work force?

Who is the one supporting modest trade tariffs and fair trade as to insure we are not priced out or blocked in foreign markets?

i support fair trade, even if it includes tariffs.

Who is the one that wants to remove mindless regulations that do nothing but keep out the small businesses for them market place and stifle innovation?

such as? might agree with you on some.

Who wants to get rid of of a convoluted and biased tax system with one that levels the playing field and doe not punish people for bring back money into America (Why the Hell would anyone punish anyone bring money made overseas back into America?)

Who is the one who supports states rights and reducing Federal Power?

i support a progressive income tax system and taxing all income as income above a negotiated cap. on the flipside, i also support reducing the corporate rate to be more competitive with Europe, and taxing individuals instead.

Who supports ending then NSA?

i'm for a whole lot more oversight and restrictions on the agency, that's for sure.

Who is the one who supports getting out of the middle east and stopping wasting countless lives and trillions on worthless wars?

we should get out of the Middle East almost entirely. stabilizing the region is the responsibility of regional hegemons.

Who supports ending the war on drugs?

that's another complex discussion, but i'm mostly onboard.

Who supports restoring the dollar by backing it with Sliver and Gold?

That is what I support..

there's no putting that genie back in the bottle.

now, back to the displaced workers : we can pay them to work, or we can pay them not to. i'd prefer to pay them to work.
 
you said that not letting people starve in the streets was part of the problem.


If they do not feel the pain of their failures how are they to learn?


i support fair trade, even if it includes tariffs.

Great.


such as? might agree with you on some.

Well reigning lawsuit abuse, the EPA, IRS, would be a great start.

i support a progressive income tax system and taxing all income as income above a negotiated cap. on the flipside, i also support reducing the corporate rate to be more competitive with Europe, and taxing individuals instead.

5% tax on spending would do just fine as well as slashing the size of the Federal Government. 70% of which is beyond useless.


i'm for a whole lot more oversight and restrictions on the agency, that's for sure.

Why? Why not just rid of this tyrannical agency it has done nothing to stop any attacks and violates us everyday.

we should get out of the Middle East almost entirely. stabilizing the region is the responsibility of regional hegemons.

Agreeed, why waste time, blood and treasure on that region.


that's another complex discussion, but i'm mostly onboard.

Its not really, just end it.
$180 billion a year and a police state to boot...What is the gain? Nothing, what is the Lost? Everything.


there's no putting that genie back in the bottle.

We have to, fiat currency never last because the it printers itself out of value, it always happens.

now, back to the displaced workers : we can pay them to work, or we can pay them not to. i'd prefer to pay them to work.

Pay them less not to work then, might be an incentive.
 
I was going to go with a RoboCop reference myself, but since there's no way you could convince a company to buy the hellhole, the Aliens route works.

You know in some areas of LV426 you can buy a house for a $1.
 
So, import Chinese workers then?

Get the burger tossers to do more productive work in assembly line and earn more than the minimum wage after some training.
 
If they do not feel the pain of their failures how are they to learn?

Our answer is, do nothing with them; mind your business, and let them mind theirs. Your doing with them is their greatest misfortune. They have been undone by your doings, and all they now ask, and really have need of at your hands, is just to let them alone. They suffer by every interference, and succeed best by being let alone. The Negro should have been let alone in Africa—let alone when the pirates and robbers offered him for sale in our Christian slave markets— (more cruel and inhuman than the Mohammedan slave markets)—let alone by courts, judges, politicians, legislators and slavedrivers—let alone altogether, and assured that they were thus to be let alone forever, and that they must now make their own way in the world, just the same as any and every other variety of the human family. As colored men, we only ask to be allowed to do with ourselves, subject only to the same great laws for the welfare of human society which apply to other men, Jews, Gentiles, Barbarian, Sythian. Let us stand upon our own legs, work with our own hands, and eat bread in the sweat of our own brows. When you, our white fellowcountrymen, have attempted to do anything for us, it has generally been to deprive us of some right, power or privilege which you yourself would die before you would submit to have taken from you. When the planters of the West Indies used to attempt to puzzle the pureminded Wilberforce with the question, How shall we get rid of slavery? his simple answer was, "quit stealing." In like manner, we answer those who are perpetually puzzling their brains with questions as to what shall be done with the Negro, "let him alone and mind your own business." If you see him plowing in the open field, leveling the forest, at work with a spade, a rake, a hoe, a pickaxe, or a bill—let him alone; he has a right to work. If you see him on his way to school, with spelling book, geography and arithmetic in his hands—let him alone. Don't shut the door in his face, nor bolt your gates against him; he has a right to learn—let him alone. Don't pass laws to degrade him. If he has a ballot in his hand, and is on his way to the ballotbox to deposit his vote for the man whom he thinks will most justly and wisely administer the Government which has the power of life and death over him, as well as others—let him alone; his right of choice as much deserves respect and protection as your own. If you see him on his way to the church, exercising religious liberty in accordance with this or that religious persuasion—let him alone.—Don't meddle with him, nor trouble yourselves with any questions as to what shall be done with him. -Fredrick Douglass
Blacks and whites as a whole have failed to live up to this. Blacks seek alms from the Man rather than spurning interference. Many whites still seem to think that they have a Burden. The all black government leadership of Detroit is still waiting for a bailout.
 
It's pathetic when a major city relies on college students 40 miles away to volunteer to help the huge mass of destitute residents, and make recommendations to overcome the innumerable challenges. The top response btw was "Make it like chicago."

Detroit isn't worth salvaging. I'm all for turning everything beyond the airport into farmland.
 
Get the burger tossers to do more productive work in assembly line and earn more than the minimum wage after some training.

You realize that GM has been outsourcing jobs to mexico since the 1980s? These companies have no reason to rebuild the city
 
You realize that GM has been outsourcing jobs to mexico since the 1980s? These companies have no reason to rebuild the city

Are you in favour of re-building the city? If no, why?
 
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