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What should the US do with Ukraine?

What should the US do in regards to Ukraine?

  • Nothing (maybe foreign aid)

    Votes: 2 16.7%

  • Send arms to Ukraine

    Votes: 7 58.3%

  • Send troops to Ukraine

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Declare war on Russia

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • not sure

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • other

    Votes: 2 16.7%
  • Total voters
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AmNat said:
If you did not consider Mexico's form of government relevant then you shouldn't have brought it up. If you're going to make false assertions such as that Mexico is a democracy you should expect people to offer counterexamples.
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Having an independent judiciary is not anti-democratic. It's an important component of any democracy.
 
Gatsby said:
Having an independent judiciary is not anti-democratic.
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Having an unaccountable judiciary is anti-democratic by definition.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
That’s not true. Name one single decision of the US Supreme Court overturned by democratic means.
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Literally every decision that has been overturned was because the people elected presidents and senators who appointed and confirmed different judges.
 
Not much America can do since Russia has got nukes. I think funding asymmetrical warfare would be one viable option.
 
Gatsby said:
Having an independent judiciary is not anti-democratic. It's an important component of any democracy.
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No, it’s not. The very term independent betrays what you say. Independent from what exactly? Well in this context you mean independent of the elected parliament So you actually mean, that an independent judiciary is by design independent of direct control by the demos.

The Supreme Court is nine unelected people, and they have asserted the power to declare any law unconstitutional, and in some cases to modify law as they see fit. At that point, the independent judiciary is basically a junta that has supra legislative power.
 
Let Ukraine defend their own lands. We should attack Russia directly and show them what its like to be annexed by their bigger neighbor. 😁

Making our move while Russian troops are busy fighting in the Ukraine is the perfect time to go for it.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No, it’s not. The very term independent betrays what you say. Independent from what exactly? Well in this context you mean independent of the elected parliament So you actually mean, that an independent judiciary is by design independent of direct control by the demos.

The Supreme Court is nine unelected people, and they have asserted the power to declare any law unconstitutional, and in some cases to modify law as they see fit. At that point, the independent judiciary is basically a junta that has supra legislative power.
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Judges don't just wake up one day and magically find themselves in a position of power out of the blue. They are appointed by the elected President and confirmed by the elected Senate. This is shit you probably should have learned in 7th grade civics. Now can you please stop trying to change the subject.
 
Gatsby said:
Judges don't just wake up one day and magically find themselves in a position of power out of the blue. They are appointed by the elected President and confirmed by the elected Senate. This is shit you probably should have learned in 7th grade civics. Now can you please stop trying to change the subject.
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This is the subject you brought up. And you have no response to this which is why you are becoming really childish.

The fact that some officials in charge of appointing judges are themselves elected, does not make the Supreme Court itself an elected body.
 
Bucky said:
Agreed.

NATO and the United Stated crossed a red line by trying to get Ukraine into NATO. We pushed past the red line Putin set and got burned, badly.

Putin is not a good guy, but he is not a madman. He is an extremely rational actor.

I am so sick of the Democrats/Neocons trying to push us into another quagmire. Do you know how to spot a Neocon? If you make any points of understanding for the other side you get accused of being unpatriotic and a traitor to your country.

Maybe we should understand what Russia wants. They are not crazy.

This is not anything new. The United States didn't send troops to Georgia in 2008 or Crimea in 2014.

The United States needs to be focusing on being energy-dependent. Why on earth do we import over 250 barrels of oil from Russia every year?
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much of what you say is accurate......however if we as a nation and part of the global community turn our heads when one nation is invaded and subjugated by another just for the sake of the whims of their dictator then we cannot be surprised when they eventually come for us....nor when we lose our freedom....what is going down is not necessarily what Russia wants but what Putin wants ......he has re-awakened the Hitler and Stalin ghosts.......one probably can conclude that the Russian people must approve of Putin's actions since we are not seeing any kind of protests.....and that's the not only sad but the same as Americans approving of Trump.....most people do not want another Korea or Vietnam or Afghanistan or any of the wars for profit but a lot of people do.....
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No, it’s not. The very term independent betrays what you say. Independent from what exactly? Well in this context you mean independent of the elected parliament So you actually mean, that an independent judiciary is by design independent of direct control by the demos.

The Supreme Court is nine unelected people, and they have asserted the power to declare any law unconstitutional, and in some cases to modify law as they see fit. At that point, the independent judiciary is basically a junta that has supra legislative power.
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however.......you would have a different opinion if there were only judges appointed by potus' you approve of.......right.......come on man your true colors are showing
 
Indydave said:
however.......you would have a different opinion if there were only judges appointed by potus' you approve of.......right.......come on man your true colors are showing
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Of course, immoral policy is not made moral by process.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
This is the subject you brought up. And you have no response to this which is why you are becoming really childish.

The fact that some officials in charge of appointing judges are themselves elected, does not make the Supreme Court itself an elected body.
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so what is your suggestion for sustaining the SC.......public elections? .....abolishment?.....what
 
the US has no more right to do anything with Ukraine than does Putin and Russia
 
Indydave said:
so what is your suggestion for sustaining the SC.......public elections? .....abolishment?.....what
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Doing what Orban did in Hungary, rejecting the very idea courts have any authority over congress.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Doing what Orban did in Hungary, rejecting the very idea courts have any authority over congress.
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good answer but is that possible.......given the number of cases that come before the court.....perhaps on certain kinds of cases be allowed to go to the SC......but then who decides that
 
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