What Should the UN do about Cuba?

[Tigerace117]

China is the dominate power of the world now and the USA is little more than one of its colonies.

Oh look, another joko post with zero resemblance to the real world.

 

[swing_voter]

The Cuban communist regime blames all their shortcomings on the American embargo.

We're not the only country in the world. Everyone but us trades with Cuba.


It's just that the Cuban communist regime sucks and can't run a country properly.



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[PeteEU]

The Cuban communist regime blames all their shortcomings on the American embargo.

We're not the only country in the world. Everyone but us trades with Cuba.


It's just that the Cuban communist regime sucks and can't run a country properly.



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The world has a choice. Trade with Cuba and risk their US trade be hit or not trade with Cuba.

So Cuba has every right to claim that their hardships is at least partly due to the US sanctions.

Case in point. X company buys Cuban cigars in Y country. The sale is in US dollars, the world currency, and the seller never gets the money because the FBI seize said funds in the New York clearing house. In other words the US government has meddled in a fully legal transaction in other countries due to US domestic policy and the fact they used US dollars as payment....the world currency.

So the US really has a choice if it expands this policy and that is..do you want the dollar to remain the world currency or not?

 

[ClaraD]

He did promptly wind up in jail....and will be there for quite a while.

Since you dodged the question....

When’s the last time a Cuban state security agent was punished for committing extrajudicial murder? Ever?

his first killing was in 2017 and then again after he killed Floyd it wasn't for another month until he ended up under arrest for Floyd. So, how is that prompt?

 

[Tigerace117]

his first killing was in 2017 and then again after he killed Floyd it wasn't for another month until he ended up under arrest for Floyd. So, how is that prompt?

Someone being arrested a month after they commit murder is pretty prompt bud.

Since you keep running away....

When’s the last time a Cuban state security agent was punished for committing extrajudicial murder? Ever?

I know it burns to have your whataboutism blow up in your face, but you can’t change the facts.

 

[ClaraD]

Someone being arrested a month after they commit murder is pretty prompt bud.

Since you keep running away....

When’s the last time a Cuban state security agent was punished for committing extrajudicial murder? Ever?

I know it burns to have your whataboutism blow up in your face, but you can’t change the facts.

No, actually it isn't....dude was giving someone a tattoo in McDonald's in South Carolina and they hunted him down and arrested him in 24 hours, but he wasn't a cop abusing his power and killing black guys sitting in their car.

I don't care when the last time a Cuban state security agent was punished, it isn't my country....let the Cubans worry about that It is up to Cubans to fix Cuba, not Americans.

 

[Tigerace117]

No, actually it isn't....dude was giving someone a tattoo in McDonald's in South Carolina and they hunted him down and arrested him in 24 hours, but he wasn't a cop abusing his power and killing black guys sitting in their car.

I don't care when the last time a Cuban state security agent was punished, it isn't my country....let the Cubans worry about that It is up to Cubans to fix Cuba, not Americans.

He wasn’t a Cuban state security agent back in Havana clearly or he never would have been arrested at all. Duh.

And again, when it comes to high profile killings like that of George Floyd, a month to the arrest is not at all a long time. Prosecutors tend to want to have their ducks all lined up in a row before they drop the hammer.

I’m sure you don’t, you’ve made it very clear you could care less about the suffering anyone goes through as long as you don’t have a personal connection to them. That’s not a good thing.

 

[ClaraD]

He wasn’t a Cuban state security agent back in Havana clearly or he never would have been arrested at all. Duh.

And again, when it comes to high profile killings like that of George Floyd, a month to the arrest is not at all a long time. Prosecutors tend to want to have their ducks all lined up in a row before they drop the hammer.

I’m sure you don’t, you’ve made it very clear you could care less about the suffering anyone goes through as long as you don’t have a personal connection to them. That’s not a good thing.

I worry about what our authorities do in the country I live in and where I am from...I cannot control nor do I want to control what other countries decide for themselves. Cubans were complaining about Biden and I posed this question....what should he do? Invade? There is no reason for us to invade Cuba...if they feel froggy they should jump on their 8 boats and go back to Cuba and overthrow their government....it isn't my business.

 

[Tigerace117]

I worry about what our authorities do in the country I live in and where I am from...I cannot control nor do I want to control what other countries decide for themselves. Cubans were complaining about Biden and I posed this question....what should he do? Invade? There is no reason for us to invade Cuba...if they feel froggy they should jump on their 8 boats and go back to Cuba and overthrow their government....it isn't my business.

You happily disregard everything—not just regular brutal repression like in Cuba, but everything up to and including genocidal actions—-simply because it’s happening to foreigners. That’s pretty pathetic....and kinda sad.

A class A example of why isolationism is such a warped ideology.

 

[Evilroddy]

Well, given that the UN General Assembly elected the following 15 members: Bolivia, China, Côte d'Ivoire, Cuba, France, Gabon, Malawi, Mexico, Nepal, Pakistan, Russian Federation, Senegal, Ukraine, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan, Cuba is not the only abuser of human rights on the council. All 15 members will serve three-year terms beginning on 1 January 2021.

Human Rights Council - Elections and appointments, 75th Session of the UN General Assembly

If I had my druthers, then I would recommend booting Bolivia, China, Cuba, Mexico, Pakistan, the Russian Federation, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan off the council and closing off these and certain other countries possibility to run for re-election on this council until they cleaned-up their acts.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[PeteEU]

Well, given that the UN General Assembly elected the following 15 members: Bolivia, China, Côte d'Ivoire, Cuba, France, Gabon, Malawi, Mexico, Nepal, Pakistan, Russian Federation, Senegal, Ukraine, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan, Cuba is not the only abuser of human rights on the council. All 15 members will serve three-year terms beginning on 1 January 2021.

Human Rights Council - Elections and appointments, 75th Session of the UN General Assembly

If I had my druthers, then I would recommend booting Bolivia, China, Cuba, Mexico, Pakistan, the Russian Federation, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan off the council and closing off these and certain other countries possibility to run for re-election on this council until they cleaned-up their acts.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

Define human rights abuse first.

I don't disagree with who you would wanted removed but leaving out the rest is..... questionable.

Hell my own country of Denmark could easily not meet human rights conditions depending on how you define them.

 

[Evilroddy]

Define human rights abuse first.

I don't disagree with who you would wanted removed but leaving out the rest is..... questionable.

Hell my own country of Denmark could easily not meet human rights conditions depending on how you define them.

PeteEU:

Perhaps as a starting point we could use the terms of the UN Charter of Human Rights to determine what human rights are and then could use that as a starting point for determining what human rights abuses are. After all the Council is part of the UN apparatus.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[PeteEU]

PeteEU:

Perhaps as a starting point we could use the terms of the UN Charter of Human Rights to determine what human rights are and then could use that as a starting point for determining what human rights abuses are. After all the Council is part of the UN apparatus.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

Sure, but that would exclude pretty much all the permanent members of the UN security council.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The US government has a history of supporting governments that have their boots on the necks of the citizens, no?

What makes Cuba so special that the wrath of the US has been directed against the island for so long, while worse human rights violators are considered allies?

Which worse violator?

 

[Evilroddy]

Sure, but that would exclude pretty much all the permanent members of the UN security council.

Good!

 

[Evilroddy]

Which worse violator?

Colombia, Egypt, the State of Israel, Algeria, the Philippines and Saudi Arabia currently. In the past many more repressive and brutal regimes from Indonesia, the Republic of China, through the Shah's Iran, through Turkey to Chile and Brazil. The list is very extensive.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Colombia, Egypt, the State of Israel, Algeria, the Philippines and Saudi Arabia currently. In the past many more repressive and brutal regimes from Indonesia, the Republic of China, through the Shah's Iran, through Turkey to Chile and Brazil. The list is very extensive.

Saudi Arabia is governed by a legitimate government who’s people assent to the law. Saudi Arabia in fact unlike Cuba has rule of law. The real problem is you don’t like that some people want to protect their values and traditions.

Israel is a parliamentary democracy, they’re not a totalitarian state, have rule of law, and go out of their way to avoid civilian deaths when having to defend their people against another inferior culture that wants them wiped out.

Colombia is a representative republic with free elections, Cuba is not.

The Phillipines is likewise a constitutional representative Republic, you simply do not like whom the voters select when they have a choice.

I do not know the politics of Algeria, so maybe you’re right, but given you’ve just lied about countries I am familiar with I will not assume this.

As far as Chile, if you’re referring to the Civil-Military government which was necessary due to a communist emergency, they were absolutely NOT worse then Cuba.
Even if you apply false moral equivelance between communism and conservative authoritarianism, which you shouldn’t because communism is evil period, in terms of people killed, social repression, etc there is no standard by which the Civic Military Government was worse. I am very well versed in this and if you want to go head to head I can do that, but as for now it suffices to say if you believe Chile’s CMG was worse then Communist Cuba that is a position of ignorance or dishonesty. Chile’s constitutional pause was necessary to prevent what happened in Cuba from occurring in Chile

cheers

 

[Evilroddy]

Saudi Arabia is governed by a legitimate government who’s people assent to the law. Saudi Arabia in fact unlike Cuba has rule of law. The real problem is you don’t like that some people want to protect their values and traditions.

Israel is a parliamentary democracy, they’re not a totalitarian state, have rule of law, and go out of their way to avoid civilian deaths when having to defend their people against another inferior culture that wants them wiped out.

Colombia is a representative republic with free elections, Cuba is not.

The Phillipines is likewise a constitutional representative Republic, you simply do not like whom the voters select when they have a choice.

I do not know the politics of Algeria, so maybe you’re right, but given you’ve just lied about countries I am familiar with I will not assume this.

As far as Chile, if you’re referring to the Civil-Military government which was necessary due to a communist emergency, they were absolutely NOT worse then Cuba.
Even if you apply false moral equivelance between communism and conservative authoritarianism, which you shouldn’t because communism is evil period, in terms of people killed, social repression, etc there is no standard by which the Civic Military Government was worse. I am very well versed in this and if you want to go head to head I can do that, but as for now it suffices to say if you believe Chile’s CMG was worse then Communist Cuba that is a position of ignorance or dishonesty. Chile’s constitutional pause was necessary to prevent what happened in Cuba from occurring in Chile

cheers

EMNofS

Saudi Arabia yearly kills hundreds if not thousands of its own Shi'ite citizens extrajudicially and badly represses the rest.

Israel prevents people from marrying other people freely, uses a two-tier justice system for its Arab Israeli citizens and administers Palestinian Arabs in the Occupied Territories under martial law while allowing illegal Jewish settlers in those same Occupied Territories the superior protections of Israeli Law.

Colombia is a defacto authoritarian regime which has been assassinating thousands of people opposed to the regime and is using oppressive violence and extrajudicial killings to contain public demonstrations against the regime. That regime also exports mercenaries who are assassinating heads of state and committing war crimes on the Arabian Peninsula. Cuba on the other hand is known for exporting doctors today, having left the worst of its mercenary exporting days behind in the 1990's.

The Philippines has killed over 13000 of its own citizens by extrajudicial killing on orders of its criminal president and its military has done far worse in Muslin dominated parts of the archipelago.

Algeria wages a brutal but hidden war against Turaeg and other tribal/national populations in its south after a military coup overthrough the legitimately elected government in the 1990's. Since that coup all Algerian elections have been a farce of democracy.

There is no excuse for what right-wing Chilean, Brazilian, Argentinian Venezuelan and Colombian juntas did to their own populations (their own citizens) between 1946 and 2011. The fact that you see the mass extrajudicial disappearances and killing of people (citizens) as a remedy to suppress unwanted political ideas does not excuse the crimes of these brutal juntas which were every bit as oppressive as the leftist regimes in Cuba and Meso-America.

Yes, Cuba should be booted from the UN Human Rights Council for its attacks on Human Rights but it is not and never has been the worst human rights abuser in the Central American/South American/Caribbean region.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[swing_voter]

The world has a choice. Trade with Cuba and risk their US trade be hit or not trade with Cuba.

So Cuba has every right to claim that their hardships is at least partly due to the US sanctions.

Case in point. X company buys Cuban cigars in Y country. The sale is in US dollars, the world currency, and the seller never gets the money because the FBI seize said funds in the New York clearing house. In other words the US government has meddled in a fully legal transaction in other countries due to US domestic policy and the fact they used US dollars as payment....the world currency.

So the US really has a choice if it expands this policy and that is..do you want the dollar to remain the world currency or not?

We don't retaliate against foreign countries who trade with Cuba.


Look at all the EU tourists on the beach in Cuba! That's Cuba's main source of income.




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[PeacefulWarrior]

The EU appears to support the Cuban dictatorship, so dont expect help there, but the UN has all these human rights committees and charters expressing freedom. That seems like the appropriate place for some sort of action to free the Cuban people now that they are willing. But the UN has previous done nothing, so should they continue to do nothing, or should they do something? Actually, Cuba is on the Human Rights council, so maybe step one is remove them?

Deep Concern as Cuba is Reelected to UN Human Rights Council

85 Civil Society Organizations respond to Cuba’s election to a fifth term on the United Nations Human Rights Council.

freedomhouse.org

I'd like to see the USAs murder of a million Iraqis for natural resources addressed at some point soon.

But I'm starting to think that it wont be.

 

[jonny5]

I'd like to see the USAs murder of a million Iraqis for natural resources addressed at some point soon.

But I'm starting to think that it wont be.

Because it didnt happen? But this is about Cuba.

 

[PeteEU]

We don't retaliate against foreign countries who trade with Cuba.

Look at all the EU tourists on the beach in Cuba! That's Cuba's main source of income.

You do against companies and private persons.