What should democrats run on?

[Fletch]

Probably because he is a real live leftist. They are extremely rare in America at that level. That may be why there is a Republican and Democratic effort to torpedo the guy.

Hes a communist. But thanks for admitting that a commie is what defines todays modern left.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Many demorats seem to favor having more federal government subsidies, funded by more taxation of “the rich”, to make X ‘more affordable’ to all (others).

Federal government subsidies being scaled back, or eliminated altogether could have an effect on voting in some of the areas (many of them being ruby red) hit hardest by Traitor Trump’s administration.

 

[Gozaburo]

Hes a communist. But thanks for admitting that a commie is what defines todays modern left.

How do people look at the communists from the 20th century which were all hardcore, aesthetic, and martial political movements and think there are meaningful similarities with some effeminate artsy yuppy liberal from NYC.

 

[The Populist Right]

The reality is there are more social conservatives that vote on their social conservatism than social liberals. The *only* way Democrats can overcome those headwinds are the afterburners of new deal politics.

There's broad support for issues like Paid Family leave and mandatory vacations and raising wages in national polls. Minimum wage referendums are winning even in deep red states.

And I don’t care if these things are on a party platform onto a website no one willpoll. Get out there and sell it. Too many people see the Dems as caring more about how diverse the aristocracy is than about working people.

Trump has never run a successful business in his life, but Dems could learn lessons in branding yourself from him.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Federal government subsidies being scaled back, or eliminated altogether could have an effect on voting in some of the areas (many of them being ruby red) hit hardest by Traitor Trump’s administration.

I didn’t mention “federal government subsidies being scaled back”. My point was the opposite.

 

[Gozaburo]

Too many people see the Dems as caring more about how diverse the aristocracy is than about working people.

True! But one caveat here - I think most Dems/Leftists are actually very intelligent in that they currently understand better than the right how power is organized and directed. They recognize the Anglo aristocracy is fading and that something needs to take its place. Where they go wrong is in thinking their vague coalition of racial minorities can possibly form some coherent aristocratic class, or that they even have the undying loyalty of said coalition.

The *only* way Democrats can overcome those headwinds are the afterburners of new deal politics.

There's broad support for issues like Paid Family leave and mandatory vacations and raising wages in national polls. Minimum wage referendums are winning even in deep red states.

There's a second scenario where the right recognizes that synthesizing right wing social conservatism with new deal economics creates a superpower political movement. This is where I see things going post-MAGA.

 

[LongIslandGirl]

I think the Democrats should run a candidate that embraces what the independents in this past election liked about Trump's policies while also bringing back a sense of decorum to the office, some humility, and also a more moderate Democratic platform than what they've been embracing over the last decade or so. If they as a party would publicly distance itself from the far left socialistic/progressivism that is defining them at the moment and find a candidate that is still the opposite of Trump's personality, so basically a person that is somewhat boring, not brash, dignified, and focuses on the policy and not the insult, and that candidate also has decent ideas that even some on the right would be ok with even if it's not perfect, then I think they could really make a change that is lasting. I don't know who that person would be though at the moment. Josh Shapiro maybe? Andy Beshear? The loudest potential candidates and leaders within the party over the last number of years don't come across to me as meeting these criteria. Just my personal thoughts though.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I didn’t mention “federal government subsidies being scaled back”. My point was the opposite.

I understood your point. I posted a counterpoint.

 

[Tettsuo]

I don't see how democrats will be able to come up with a coherent platform, because right now, cost of living is probably the number one issue for American voters.

So how can democrats reduce our cost of living? They can't. Everything they support either restricts supply or makes production more expensive. The states with the highest cost of living are (of course) the most progressive, e.g. California, MA, NY, etc.

But wait, it gets worse. These states also have sky-high state and local taxes. This is what the left does: they make everything expensive, and then on top of that, they tax the living shit out of you.

Zohran Mamdani is going to win because his platform is focused on lowering the cost of living in NYC. However his "solution" is to subsidize demand in addition to even more government control over the economy. This has never worked, and will never work.

Lower prices come from capitalism and competition in (largely) free markets, and the left hates all three.

Raise the minimum wage
Get money out of politics by legislating government funded elections
Increase taxes on the rich
Create government funded housing with restricted cost to buy (should also force down prices overall)
Allow the government to negotiate drug prices or produce generics if needed

Those are the first few that I personally think Democrats should run on.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I understood your point. I posted a counterpoint.

I doubt a candidate taking your “counterpoint” position would do well in a DNC primary.

 

[aociswundumho]

Raise the minimum wage

Thank you for helping me make my point.

Get money out of politics by legislating government funded elections

Which means incumbents decide who gets the money.

Increase taxes on the rich

Which drives the most productive people away.

Create government funded housing with restricted cost to buy (should also force down prices overall)

Oh my goodness.

Allow the government to negotiate drug prices or produce generics if needed

Ah, government-run pharma companies. That should work well.

Those are the first few that I personally think Democrats should run on.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Sadly, I have no idea what Democrats will run on for the midterms or 2028. Depends on what they are willing to learn from 2024.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I doubt a candidate taking your “counterpoint” position would do well in a DNC primary.

The thread subject isn’t DNC primaries.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Hes a communist. But thanks for admitting that a commie is what defines todays modern left.

Hurray! @Fletch is here to rage and post ignorant shit! Decades of Fox News has him regurgitating stupidity; blissfully free from thought.

Hi Fletch!

 

[Groogrux]

Are you better off today than you were two years ago?

Sure am. Know why? I make sound decisions and don’t look to the government to take care of me. I don’t see a president being able to affect my quality of life.

 

[Fletch]

How do people look at the communists from the 20th century which were all hardcore, aesthetic, and martial political movements and think there are meaningful similarities with some effeminate artsy yuppy liberal from NYC.

When you praise a communist and say that is the type of leadership we need in NY, then Im going to conclude that you are a communist

When Zohran Mamdani hailed Kerala communist leader as 'kind of Mayor New York City needs'

Zohran Mamdani in 2020 shared a post by CPIM's Puducherry committee congratulating Arya Rajendran for becoming the youngest mayor of a city anywhere around the world and now many Americans are branding him a communist over this "endorsement" of Left-leaning politics

www.theweek.in

 

[Fletch]

Hurray! @Fletch is here to rage and post ignorant shit! Decades of Fox News has him regurgitating stupidity; blissfully free from thought.

Hi Fletch!

Glad we agree that Mamdani is a commie and you support him.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Glad we agree that Mamdani is a commie and you support him.

Glad we agree that anyone that wants a lower top marginal rate is a Free Market Anarchist that wants to eliminate all government and return to a state of nature where it is war of all against all.

 

[Gozaburo]

When you praise a communist and say that is the type of leadership we need in NY, then Im going to conclude that you are a communist

When Zohran Mamdani hailed Kerala communist leader as 'kind of Mayor New York City needs'

Zohran Mamdani in 2020 shared a post by CPIM's Puducherry committee congratulating Arya Rajendran for becoming the youngest mayor of a city anywhere around the world and now many Americans are branding him a communist over this "endorsement" of Left-leaning politics

www.theweek.in

 

[Bok Tuklo]

There's a second scenario where the right recognizes that synthesizing right wing social conservatism with new deal economics creates a superpower political movement. This is where I see things going post-MAGA.

But they have to really do it. Right now, they are faking it with Trump. Sooner or later, no matter how stupid people are or how much propaganda they consume, they will see what's up. And when they do, they will be pissed.

 

[noonereal]

Imo, Mamdani is by far the most charismatic democrat in the country today.

When have you ever seen him to form this opinion?

 

[roberthughey]

I don't see how democrats will be able to come up with a coherent platform, because right now, cost of living is probably the number one issue for American voters.

So how can democrats reduce our cost of living? They can't. Everything they support either restricts supply or makes production more expensive. The states with the highest cost of living are (of course) the most progressive, e.g. California, MA, NY, etc.

But wait, it gets worse. These states also have sky-high state and local taxes. This is what the left does: they make everything expensive, and then on top of that, they tax the living shit out of you.

Zohran Mamdani is going to win because his platform is focused on lowering the cost of living in NYC. However his "solution" is to subsidize demand in addition to even more government control over the economy. This has never worked, and will never work.

Lower prices come from capitalism and competition in (largely) free markets, and the left hates all three.

They don't know themselves.

 

[bongsaway]

Many demorats seem to favor having more federal government subsidies, funded by more taxation of “the rich”, to make X ‘more affordable’ to all (others).

I have an idea, let's punish the poor, take away their food stamps and Medicaid and give it to the rich, would that be better?

 

[noonereal]

But they have to really do it. Right now, they are faking it with Trump. Sooner or later, no matter how stupid people are or how much propaganda they consume, they will see what's up. And when they do, they will be pissed.

Disagree. Uneducated people are way stupid. At to this, they now hate their fellow countrymen.

 

[Fletch]

Glad we agree that anyone that wants a lower top marginal rate is a Free Market Anarchist that wants to eliminate all government and return to a state of nature where it is war of all against all.

Weird but thats the exact argument leftist loons were making pre-Trump. Just goes to show that the leftist argument is dumb no matter what the era.