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What really hit the Pentagon?[W:45]

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This is I believe Part 4 now in my serious of very basic, fundamental questions about what happened on 9/11. Like the others I have high hopes that this is one any person familiar with the subject should be able to answer. I started this thread due to a recent derail in another thread, hoping to move that one back on track.

The null hypothesis for the Pentagon attack on 9/11 is that American Airlines Flight 77 out of Dulles was hijacked by a group of 5 terrorists, one of whom held a FAA commercial flight certificate and that said hijackers used the aircraft as a suicide bomb in a deliberate attack on the Pentagon in Washington DC. Support for this hypothesis is summarized but not limited to the list below:

1. Flight 77 and all those aboard took off that morning and never landed. If it didn't crash into the Pentagon, where did it go?
2. Flight 77 was tracked from take-off until impact by multiple radar sites
3. The FDR for Flight 77 was recovered at the Pentagon site and its 25 hours of data exactly matches the radar data
4. At least 136 witnesses are on record as seeing Flight 77 hit the Pentagon and more importantly, zero witnesses are on record seeing anything else hit the Pentagon. At least 26 were able to identify it as an American Airlines jet and 7 specifically as a Boeing 757.
5. The remains of Flight 77 recovered at the Pentagon site
6. The remains of all of the passengers and crew (except one infant) recovered at the Pentagon. Some passengers were recovered still strapped in their seats.
7. Personal effects and luggage recovered at the Pentagon site belonging to people aboard Flight 77
8. The airline and its insurers in spite of the resulting losses admit Flight 77 hit the Pentagon
9. The damage pattern (5 downed light poles, the tree with the jet-engine sized bite in it, the diesel backup generator) are all consistent with a Boeing 757 and match witness accounts
10. The damage to the building itself is absolutely consistent with the impact of a large aircraft and completely inconsistent with anything else. Purdue simulation confirms.

For those who disagree with the null hypothesis I am interested in specifically what you believe actually happened and list your evidence is to support that case. If for example it was not Flight 77 then what was it and what happened to Flight 77 and all of those aboard? How do you explain all the evidence such as the examples listed above which support the null hypothesis?
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

This is I believe Part 4 now in my serious of very basic, fundamental questions about what happened on 9/11. Like the others I have high hopes that this is one any person familiar with the subject should be able to answer.

then tell your friend quag to stay on topic and stop inserting bogus claims inside of your posts forcing everyone to correct them


I started this thread due to a recent derail in another thread, hoping to move that one back on track.

The null hypothesis for the Pentagon attack on 9/11 is that American Airlines Flight 77 out of Dulles was hijacked by a group of 5 terrorists, one of whom held a FAA commercial flight certificate and that said hijackers used the aircraft as a suicide bomb in a deliberate attack on the Pentagon in Washington DC. Support for this hypothesis is summarized but not limited to the list below:

1. Flight 77 and all those aboard took off that morning and never landed. If it didn't crash into the Pentagon, where did it go?
the lists were fabriacted
2. Flight 77 was tracked from take-off until impact by multiple radar sites
yes by war games inc, you know they ocntrol the vertical and the horizontal
3. The FDR for Flight 77 was recovered at the Pentagon site and its 25 hours of data exactly matches the radar data
anyone with a pc can modify that data to read anything they want
4. At least 136 witnesses are on record as seeing Flight 77 hit the Pentagon and more importantly, zero witnesses are on record seeing anything else hit the Pentagon. At least 26 were able to identify it as an American Airlines jet and 7 specifically as a Boeing 757.
however april gallop and a number of others survivors walked out the flaming inferno hole made by the plane and could not find any plane parts
5. The remains of Flight 77 recovered at the Pentagon site
yeh someone took a short cut to the dump and emptied out their pickup truck
6. The remains of all of the passengers and crew (except one infant) recovered at the Pentagon. Some passengers were recovered still strapped in their seats.
No one sels saw that, who manufactured it?
7. Personal effects and luggage recovered at the Pentagon site belonging to people aboard Flight 77
Dumped out of the same pickup truck
8. The airline and its insurers in spite of the resulting losses admit Flight 77 hit the Pentagon
yeh who wants to rock the boat of high finance and miltary industrial complex?
9. The damage pattern (5 downed light poles, the tree with the jet-engine sized bite in it, the diesel backup generator) are all consistent with a Boeing 757 and match witness accounts
oh yeh the pentagon lightpole mower!
10. The damage to the building itself is absolutely consistent with the impact of a large aircraft and completely inconsistent with anything else. Purdue simulation confirms.
Its not consistent by any stretch of the imagination
For those who disagree with the null hypothesis I am interested in specifically what you believe actually happened and list your evidence is to support that case. If for example it was not Flight 77 then what was it and what happened to Flight 77 and all of those aboard? How do you explain all the evidence such as the examples listed above which support the null hypothesis?


we have confirmed that a light trail of smoke hit the pentagon. after that all bets are off.

you should be interested in what did not happen.

Varooma!


invincible!



but in the real world wings get sliced off as you can see in the video clip

 
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Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

This is I believe Part 4 now in my serious of very basic, fundamental questions about what happened on 9/11. Like the others I have high hopes that this is one any person familiar with the subject should be able to answer. I started this thread due to a recent derail in another thread, hoping to move that one back on track.

The null hypothesis for the Pentagon attack on 9/11 is that American Airlines Flight 77 out of Dulles was hijacked by a group of 5 terrorists, one of whom held a FAA commercial flight certificate and that said hijackers used the aircraft as a suicide bomb in a deliberate attack on the Pentagon in Washington DC. Support for this hypothesis is summarized but not limited to the list below:

1. Flight 77 and all those aboard took off that morning and never landed. If it didn't crash into the Pentagon, where did it go?
2. Flight 77 was tracked from take-off until impact by multiple radar sites
3. The FDR for Flight 77 was recovered at the Pentagon site and its 25 hours of data exactly matches the radar data
4. At least 136 witnesses are on record as seeing Flight 77 hit the Pentagon and more importantly, zero witnesses are on record seeing anything else hit the Pentagon. At least 26 were able to identify it as an American Airlines jet and 7 specifically as a Boeing 757.
5. The remains of Flight 77 recovered at the Pentagon site
6. The remains of all of the passengers and crew (except one infant) recovered at the Pentagon. Some passengers were recovered still strapped in their seats.
7. Personal effects and luggage recovered at the Pentagon site belonging to people aboard Flight 77
8. The airline and its insurers in spite of the resulting losses admit Flight 77 hit the Pentagon
9. The damage pattern (5 downed light poles, the tree with the jet-engine sized bite in it, the diesel backup generator) are all consistent with a Boeing 757 and match witness accounts
10. The damage to the building itself is absolutely consistent with the impact of a large aircraft and completely inconsistent with anything else. Purdue simulation confirms.

For those who disagree with the null hypothesis I am interested in specifically what you believe actually happened and list your evidence is to support that case. If for example it was not Flight 77 then what was it and what happened to Flight 77 and all of those aboard? How do you explain all the evidence such as the examples listed above which support the null hypothesis?

I think it might have been a giant cargo plane filled with all the anti-psychotic medication that is now failing to be delivered to those in need.
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

I think it might have been a giant cargo plane filled with all the anti-psychotic medication that is now failing to be delivered to those in need.

thats very possible

Psychologists Say: ‘Conspiracy Theorists’ SANE, Government Dupes CRAZY and Hostile.

Laurie Manwell, Univ of Guelph; users of the [CT], “Conspiracy Theorist” label impedes their cognitive function, published in American Behavioral Scientist 2010; anti-conspiracy people are unable to think clearly due to their inability to process information that conflicts with pre-existing beliefs.

Univ of Buffalo Prof Steven Hoffman; anti-conspiracy people prone to “confirmation bias”, and pre-existing belief confirmation, using irrational mechanisms (such as the “CT” label) to avoid personal conflict.

Extreme irrationality of those who attack “CT's” is exposed by Ginna Husting and Martin Orr of Boise State Univ. In a 2007 peer-reviewed article entitled “Dangerous Machinery: CTst as a Transpersonal Strategy of Exclusion.

Now pro-conspiracy voices are more numerous and rational than anti-conspiracy ones and anti-CT people are like hostile, paranoid cranks.
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

What really hit the Pentagon?

a commercial airliner full of terrified people being murdered by zealots.
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

I hate and distrust the government as much as the next guy, but this is just too much.
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

thats very possible

Psychologists Say: ‘Conspiracy Theorists’ SANE, Government Dupes CRAZY and Hostile.

Of course it could be the mostly stupid arguing with the mostly stupid. They might just have different methods of being stupid.

Physics is incapable of giving a damn.

psik
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

a commercial airliner full of terrified people being murdered by zealots.





how did it mow down 5 poles without catching fire?

like planes do in the real world?





what about the real world does that count for anything?
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

There is a big difference between lamp poles only designed to stand up to heavy winds and steel posts designed to shred wings during crash tests.
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?





how did it mow down 5 poles without catching fire?

like planes do in the real world?





what about the real world does that count for anything?

ah, an amateur aeronautical engineer and crash expert.

riddle me this : where's Barbara K. Olson?
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

we have confirmed that a light trail of smoke hit the pentagon. after that all bets are off.

Who is "we"?
What is your source of "light trail of smoke hit the pentagon"
Provide a link to the evidence that supports your statement.

Failure to do so, "all bets are off.":mrgreen:
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

how did it mow down 5 poles without catching fire?

Utility poles are often designed to break away, since they are frequently hit by cars.

It's not clear what types of poles your other examples are hitting, but if they are anchored securely, that could be the difference.

And if that wasn't the plane, what WAS it that damaged the Pentagon that day, and how do you account for the missing airplane\passengers?
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

And if that wasn't the plane, what WAS it that damaged the Pentagon that day, and how do you account for the missing airplane\passengers?

Don't expect an answer to that. I have been trying all morning.
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

Don't expect an answer to that. I have been trying all morning.

Ever notice that some are quick to point out what they believe is wrong with the explanation that a jet hit the Pentagon, yet they fail to explain in detail what did cause the damage.
The same type poster rarely backs up the statements with sources and evidence.

One reason I no longer debate what is right/wrong with the official reports. It is way past time for those who have alternative explanation to the Pentagon to provide the evidence and sources. The CIT thread tried to support the "flyover explanation". That thread just turned into the official story is wrong. It provided no details on how the flyover and resulting damage could have happened and what happened to the passengers. Radar alone and lack of witnessess seeing a jet flyover put CIT explanation in the ground.:mrgreen:
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

ah, an amateur aeronautical engineer and crash expert.

riddle me this : where's Barbara K. Olson?

toe to toe with john oniell
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

Ever notice that some are quick to point out what they believe is wrong with the explanation that a jet hit the Pentagon, yet they fail to explain in detail what did cause the damage.
The same type poster rarely backs up the statements with sources and evidence.
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because its completely irrelevant.

the only thing relevant is that you can prove the government claim, stop asking me to prove off topic crap.
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

Flight 77 of course
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

Don't expect an answer to that. I have been trying all morning.

ALLEGED passengers prior to proving the existence of some plane that none of the survivors could find is irrelevant and if that is the garbage you want for a response you will be waiting a long time.

you need to prove the forensic evidence of the event matches the witness accounts, if it does not to bad so sad, forensic trumps.
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

It was a hot dog cart.
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

Ever notice that some are quick to point out what they believe is wrong with the explanation that a jet hit the Pentagon, yet they fail to explain in detail what did cause the damage.
The same type poster rarely backs up the statements with sources and evidence.

Supporters of the various false flag and/or inside job scenario's are always very quick to proclaim the overwhelming evidence they have and, how the official story is all obvious lies. That is why over the last couple of weeks I have given them 4 opportunities to explain what really happened by asking what are really basic, fundamental questions:

How would a real terror attack look different from the actual 9/11 false flag we all saw?
Why was it necessary to destroy the WTC to achieve the goals of the false flag operation?
How was destroying the WTC done?
And of course this most recent one asking simply what really attacked the Pentagon.

I regard these as very basic, fundamental questions that I would have thought anyone with a serious interest in this topic would have at least given some thought to if not completely worked out.

To say that the response from those who loudly proclaim to know what really happened has been underwhelming would be a massive understatement. Most of the resident CT adherents avoided them like the plague. A few gave half-hearted stabs but there was not a single serious, well thought out response to any of these questions so far. I'm not surprised at all mind you. My expectations were low and yet were still not met. I suspect that very few, if any of the CT adherents have actually thought it through well enough to try and answer. It illustrates a point Oz has made several times.
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

Utility poles are often designed to break away, since they are frequently hit by cars.

It's not clear what types of poles your other examples are hitting, but if they are anchored securely, that could be the difference.

And if that wasn't the plane, what WAS it that damaged the Pentagon that day, and how do you account for the missing airplane\passengers?

another one trying to dodge the burden of proof and shift it onto me, aint gonna happen with me.
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

because its completely irrelevant.

the only thing relevant is that you can prove the government claim, stop asking me to prove off topic crap.

That is not the OP of this thread.
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

ALLEGED passengers prior to proving the existence of some plane that none of the survivors could find is irrelevant and if that is the garbage you want for a response you will be waiting a long time.

you need to prove the forensic evidence of the event matches the witness accounts, if it does not to bad so sad, forensic trumps.

There were survivors of the crashes? Damn why have we never heard from them before!

P.S. the evidence is conclusive flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Truthers however like to ignore reality nd live in make believe land.
 
Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

That is not the OP of this thread.

its off topic to my state that you responded to.

the topic is wide open otherwise

his is I believe Part 4 now in my serious of very basic, fundamental questions about what happened on 9/11. Like the others I have high hopes that this is one any person familiar with the subject should be able to answer.

then tell your friend quag to stay on topic and stop inserting bogus claims inside of your posts forcing everyone to correct them

I started this thread due to a recent derail in another thread, hoping to move that one back on track.

The null hypothesis for the Pentagon attack on 9/11 is that American Airlines Flight 77 out of Dulles was hijacked by a group of 5 terrorists, one of whom held a FAA commercial flight certificate and that said hijackers used the aircraft as a suicide bomb in a deliberate attack on the Pentagon in Washington DC. Support for this hypothesis is summarized but not limited to the list below:

1. Flight 77 and all those aboard took off that morning and never landed. If it didn't crash into the Pentagon, where did it go?
the lists were fabriacted
2. Flight 77 was tracked from take-off until impact by multiple radar sites
yes by war games inc, you know they ocntrol the vertical and the horizontal
3. The FDR for Flight 77 was recovered at the Pentagon site and its 25 hours of data exactly matches the radar data
anyone with a pc can modify that data to read anything they want
4. At least 136 witnesses are on record as seeing Flight 77 hit the Pentagon and more importantly, zero witnesses are on record seeing anything else hit the Pentagon. At least 26 were able to identify it as an American Airlines jet and 7 specifically as a Boeing 757.
however april gallop and a number of others survivors walked out the flaming inferno hole made by the plane and could not find any plane parts
5. The remains of Flight 77 recovered at the Pentagon site
yeh someone took a short cut to the dump and emptied out their pickup truck
6. The remains of all of the passengers and crew (except one infant) recovered at the Pentagon. Some passengers were recovered still strapped in their seats.
No one sels saw that, who manufactured it?
7. Personal effects and luggage recovered at the Pentagon site belonging to people aboard Flight 77
Dumped out of the same pickup truck
8. The airline and its insurers in spite of the resulting losses admit Flight 77 hit the Pentagon
yeh who wants to rock the boat of high finance and miltary industrial complex?
9. The damage pattern (5 downed light poles, the tree with the jet-engine sized bite in it, the diesel backup generator) are all consistent with a Boeing 757 and match witness accounts
oh yeh the pentagon lightpole mower!
10. The damage to the building itself is absolutely consistent with the impact of a large aircraft and completely inconsistent with anything else. Purdue simulation confirms.
Its not consistent by any stretch of the imagination
For those who disagree with the null hypothesis I am interested in specifically what you believe actually happened and list your evidence is to support that case. If for example it was not Flight 77 then what was it and what happened to Flight 77 and all of those aboard? How do you explain all the evidence such as the examples listed above which support the null hypothesis?


we have confirmed that a light trail of smoke hit the pentagon. after that all bets are off.

you should be interested in what did not happen.

Varooma!


invincible!



but in the real world wings get sliced off as you can see in the video clip

 
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Re: What really hit the Pentagon?

another one trying to dodge the burden of proof and shift it onto me, aint gonna happen with me.

You have yet to provide anything that even comes close to disproving all the evidence that it was a plane.
At best you have shown you lack a basic comprehension of physics. Lack of comprehension is not proof of no plane
 
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