What questions would you like answered at the Zimmerman trial? [W:209:368:403]

[sharon]

I think her story is corroborated by the other witnesses and the evidence. For instance, she says the phone dropped at the beginning of the altercation and the phone is in fact found next to Zimmerman's flashlight and the body. Other witnesses heard what she heard, and Zimmerman's story closely tracks hers, which is important because she wasn't there and couldn't see what was happening in order to craft lies about it. I'll grant you that the story about the hospital will be ripe for the defense to try and impeach her with, but my theory matches all the known evidence much better than Zimmerman's, which is contradictory and implausible in many places, and does not rely on her testimony to be sound.

But thanks for the reply. You're one of the few defender's of Zimmerman who is interested in an intellectually honest debate. Keep it coming. Gotta go.

Sloppy questioning... Did you go to the hospital, or something?

 

[Excon]

... which is important because she wasn't there and couldn't see what was happening in order to craft lies about it.

Holy ****!
This statement ignores that fact that she failed to cooperate from the get until after parts of Zimmermn's account was leaked to the press and after the family and Crump had listened to the 911 calls.
This clearly allowed whom ever coached W#8 to craft lies.

And when asked if the phone was in her name, she said it should be now. WTF? and you don't see her account as suspect?

Of course it was all crafted. Her lies prove it. Crump's lies suggests it.

 

[Excon]

He lied under oath.

iLOL
No he didn't.

 

[WorldWatcher]

We know the reason they transferred in less then 10k amounts, this was posted here a while ago with a cite. It was not to evade money transfer rules as you are claiming. Additionally, if that were the reason, there would certainly would have been charges against him for doing so.

There was also a recorded jail house call, in which he indicates that he received advice from his lawyer (Omara) that he need not report it.

Magill testified that of $205,000 collected through Zimmerman’s websites from supporters ($197,567.91 after PayPayl fees), more than $130,000 was transferred in a series of transactions, all under the 10,000 limit imposed by PayPal, to George Zimmerman’s credit union accounts. From there, funds were moved in installments equal to the PayPal withdrawals, of $9,999 – just shy of the limit, to Shellie Zimmerman’s account at the same credit union.

Judge: Zimmerman can’t make ‘statement’ without cross-examination | theGrio

Paypal does not impose limits for the transfer of funds between George Zimmerman's account and his wife's. From the quote you provided, "From there, funds were moved in installments equal to the PayPal withdrawals, of $9,999 – just shy of the limit, to Shellie Zimmerman’s account at the same credit union." The limit that is referenced is the federal transaction reporting limit of $10,000 which applied to the transfer between his account and his wife's.


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[AlfredENeuman]

Sloppy questioning... Did you go to the hospital, or something?

I don't think it's necessary to defend it. It is what it is. It's not material, but it's still not true.

Holy ****!
This statement ignores that fact that she failed to cooperate from the get until after parts of Zimmermn's account was leaked to the press and after the family and Crump had listened to the 911 calls.
This clearly allowed whom ever coached W#8 to craft lies.

And when asked if the phone was in her name, she said it should be now. WTF? and you don't see her account as suspect?

Of course it was all crafted. Her lies prove it. Crump's lies suggests it.

But here is where the Zimmerman supporters go batty. They have to believe in this vast conspiracy, headed by the evil Mr. Crump, who somehow fed Witness 8 all the lies she's so willing to tell because of her evilness.

It's funny because we now know that Mr. Crump had members of the media present in order to avoid this exact kind accusation, so if Mr. Crump coached her into lying, then the media is in on the conspiracy.

The fix is in! The truth is out there!

 

[tashatexas77048]

iLOL
No he didn't.

So its the judges fault that Zimmerman failed to follow the rules and ended up back in jail and its Martins fault that Zimmerman chassd him and killed him and is on trial. I think there are a lot of people here collecting welfare from the government as evidenced by the fact that people are anti personal responsibility and anti accountability for ones actions.

 

[SheWolf]

You ignored my last point.

If you were being followed by a car, then in foot, and chased after dark, in the rain wouldn't you fear bodily harm or your life was in danger?

This is really the only portion of your reply that is relevant. Do you think you are a reasonable person?



I may/may not. I might want to keep an eye on them to tell the police where he went. Regardless.. It is not illegal to do so.

To your last point, I called police on a domestic violence situation. I didn't want the guy to get away either, but being that he lived near me I wanted to keep the report anonymous for my own safety. Going outside to monitor him leaving or not before the cops arrived was out of question.

I wanted to protect myself, and I didn't want him to become violent towards me.


that is reasonable.


Zimmerman wasn't reasonable in the situation. Regardless of following was illegal or not, Trayvon was.doing nothing illegal that even warranted getting the cops called on him. Zimmerman went further than that and called him a ****ing punk and was worried he'd get away.

If the cops showed up before things turned violent, guess what, Trayvon wouldn't have been arrested.


So if you think it was acceptable for Zimmerman to follow Trayvon and prevent him from getting away from the cops, then you're not reasonable.

 

[SheWolf]

The evidence says George didn't fight back or defend himself. He went to his gun right away.

No, it doesn't

You are making up/assuming crap

 

[Excon]

It's funny because we now know that Mr. Crump had members of the media present in order to avoid this exact kind accusation, so if Mr. Crump coached her into lying, then the media is in on the conspiracy.

WTF?
Are you really suggesting that an interview over the phone somehow prevented from her from being coached? That is ridiculously absurd.
It is thy perfect scenario for such coaching.

 

[Excon]

The evidence says George didn't fight back or defend himself. He went to his gun right away.

No it does not, which has already been pointed out to you. So you are now just purposely spewing bs that has been shown to be false.
Why? I would say bias and agenda.

 

[SheWolf]

The judge considered it a lie.

Stop being so biased.

Do you have any evidence of Omara not informing Zimm that it need not be reported? Of course not. You don't need evidence. Whatever fantasy you concoct is 100% gospel truth to you. Omara indicated that George provided the passport to him and Omara failed to turn it over. Do you think that's a lie too? Of course you do, because, again, facts not necessary for Sharon.

 

[SheWolf]

He had no defensive wounds. He didn't fight back. It looks like all he did was struggle to reach his, and pull the trigger.

According to witness 6 "right away" is not an accurate assessment, as that person saw, from his doorway, a fight/struggle already in progress, hearing cries for help and with TM on top and GZ pinned or held down beneath TM. After seeing the "struggle" in progress, witness 6 had time to close and lock his door, go upstairs and make a 911 call.

 

[Excon]

So its the judges fault that Zimmerman failed to follow the rules and ended up back in jail and its Martins fault that Zimmerman chassd him and killed him and is on trial. I think there are a lot of people here collecting welfare from the government as evidenced by the fact that people are anti personal responsibility and anti accountability for ones actions.

What are you going on about?
He didn't lie under oath.
That was what you are resounding to.
He didn't. So now what?

And btw, there was no chase. Unless you consider the short time ™ was trying to get on-top of Zimmerman as a chase.

 

[Excon]

The judge considered it a lie.

Stop being so biased.

No he didn't.
Maybe you should reread what the judge said as he did not say he lied.

 

[buck]

Paypal does not impose limits for the transfer of funds between George Zimmerman's account and his wife's. From the quote you provided, "From there, funds were moved in installments equal to the PayPal withdrawals, of $9,999 – just shy of the limit, to Shellie Zimmerman’s account at the same credit union." The limit that is referenced is the federal transaction reporting limit of $10,000 which applied to the transfer between his account and his wife's.

You are wrong and what you claim they did would not have accomplished what you say they thought it would... but for the sake of argument... Where are the charges? What you claim is illegal, so if what you claim is correct surely charges would have been placed.

 

[SheWolf]

It is a good question. I hope we find the truth soon.

Lets not forget that the Zimbots and Zimmerman himself STILL have not answered why Zimmerman was so far from the T if its Martin who did the following. Zimmerman didnt even attempt to explain how he could have...gotten to where the body was found because his girlie swatting demonstration stopped well short of where the body was found. Further, the girlie swat story was added AFTER the went back to the scene in daylight and Zimmerman remembered that he had went down that sidewalk to follow Martin and he tries to make up an accuse for being WHERE HE CLAIMS MARTIN CAME FROM. To this date neither Zimmerman nor his robots have came up with how Zimmerman actually got 40 feet down that sidewalk with his flashlight being found even futher away than the body without coming up with another implausible explanation to try to make Zimmerman's lie fit the actual evidence.

 

[Excon]

It is a good question. I hope we find the truth soon.

:doh
It is not a good question, as we already have the answers to it.
Which begs the question as to why you think it is.
I say agenda, what say you?

 

[SheWolf]

Trayvon had a right to ask, why are you following. Its not an initiation of violence.

It shows who confronted whom first.
It shows who actually initiated the the contact.

 

[buck]

If you were being followed by a car, then in foot, and chased after dark, in the rain wouldn't you fear bodily harm or your life was in danger?

Possibly, and I would have called the police or gotten out of there. But, lets for the sake of argument that Trayvon felt in fear of death and great bodily harm so had to react as he did. He was required to stop. Once Trayvon escalated the attack ability to act in SD transfers to Zimmerman.

To your last point, I called police on a domestic violence situation. I didn't want the guy to get away either, but being that he lived near me I wanted to keep the report anonymous for my own safety. Going outside to monitor him leaving or not before the cops arrived was out of question.

Not the same thing. You knew the guy and could easily provide info to the cops. If some guy you did not know hit you then took off, it would not be unreasonable for you to call the cops and attempt to keep an eye on him. Which brings us here:

So if you think it was acceptable for Zimmerman to follow Trayvon and prevent him from getting away from the cops, then you're not reasonable.

Yes, it is reasonable to follow an individual to provide information to the police who you have already called. Many people do it every day. However, that was not the point. The point I was making was in relation to the SD law. Apparently, as you have stated.. You, as a reasonable individual, would have been in fear for your life or of great bodily harm if you had been in an encounter as Zimm has described.

That is the important piece.

 

[buck]

The judge considered it a lie.

Stop being so biased.

If Omara told Zimm it was not necessary, and as he almost certainly assisted in completing the paperwork, it would not have been a lie but only a mistake due to advice given by Omara.

The judge also accused Zimm of hiding a second passport even though we know it was not hidden. It had been turned over to Omara and Omara forgot to turn it in. So, obviously the judge can be wrong..

 

[SheWolf]

I think Trayvon said he was tried if running and George was near him again. That's when he asked, why are you following me.

Deedee's account doesn't prove George's back was turned.

No they are not.
We know from Zimmerman that his back was to him when ™ approached yelling and asking. So yes ™ confronted first. No matter how you look at it.

That is the evidence.

 

[Excon]

Trayvon had a right to ask, why are you following. Its not an initiation of violence.

It is when you are doing in it in a hostile fashion.
He approached yelling and as soon as Zimmerman looked up he was upon him and struck him.
Learn the evidence.

 

[ric27]

I think Trayvon said he was tried if running and George was near him again. That's when he asked, why are you following me.

Deedee's account doesn't prove George's back was turned.

You continue to make up ****

 

[sharon]

Possibly, and I would have called the police or gotten out of there. But, lets for the sake of argument that Trayvon felt in fear of death and great bodily harm so had to react as he did. He was required to stop. Once Trayvon escalated the attack ability to act in SD transfers to Zimmerman.



Not the same thing. You knew the guy and could easily provide info to the cops. If some guy you did not know hit you then took off, it would not be unreasonable for you to call the cops and attempt to keep an eye on him. Which brings us here:



Yes, it is reasonable to follow an individual to provide information to the police who you have already called. Many people do it every day. However, that was not the point. The point I was making was in relation to the SD law. Apparently, as you have stated.. You, as a reasonable individual, would have been in fear for your life or of great bodily harm if you had been in an encounter as Zimm has described.

That is the important piece.



To your last point, I called police on a domestic violence situation. I didn't want the guy to get away either, but being that he lived near me I wanted to keep the report anonymous for my own safety. Going outside to monitor him leaving or not before the cops arrived was out of question.

I wanted to protect myself, and I didn't want him to become violent towards me.


that is reasonable.


Zimmerman wasn't reasonable in the situation. Regardless of following was illegal or not, Trayvon was.doing nothing illegal that even warranted getting the cops called on him. Zimmerman went further than that and called him a ****ing punk and was worried he'd get away.

If the cops showed up before things turned violent, guess what, Trayvon wouldn't have been arrested.


So if you think it was acceptable for Zimmerman to follow Trayvon and prevent him from getting away from the cops, then you're not reasonable.

[/QUOTE]

Trayvon thought he had escaped George.. Once GZ showed up in the dogwalk.. TM didn't have ten minutes to wait on the police.

Based on what? Trayvon was not involved in anything illegal.

I hate SF.. their cops are either excellent or trash..

I was working down there on assignment when my new neighbors ... with 9 people in a 2 bedroom and doing drug deals on the porch broke out screaming and smashing windows out from the inside. I called 911. The police came and admonished me about being a busy body.. I left SF within two weeks.

 

[sharon]

It is when you are doing in it in a hostile fashion.
He approached yelling and as soon as Zimmerman looked up he was upon him and struck him.
Learn the evidence.

OMG.. you are fragile..