What "principle" of MAGA is not fascist in nature?

[RF667799]

Let me try to simplify my ask: what does MAGA say it wants? I'm not asking what it does. That seems to be the primary confusion.

Equality for all, seems to be a principle they espouse. I'm assuming they mean in the context of our own government interacting with our own citizens, of course.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Actually, that's the assignment.

Actually, I don't work for you.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

So you think they know they are fascist and just afraid to admit it?

Oh so everyone is an illegal alien gangster

Or reporters have been completely discredited.

Those still in MAGA at this stage know they are fascists. It is impossible for them to be anything else, given the evidence. Its why they claimed they had a mandate from the election. An election system that MAGA claimed was unfair until they won. Then it was only the one they lost that was the problem. No one believes their lies except themselves.

The only honest answer MAGA can give is a boot on your throat. So no, I do not believe authoritarians when they claim it will only be X group. History teaches us that it is always a lie. Along with attacks on the press, typical authoritarian behaviour.

 

[jaypatriot]

That's just dumb. BLM is in no way "paramilitary", whereas Proud Bozos obviously cosplay as paramilitary. You're statement is grossly inaccurate (or disingenuous). Is this out of embarrassment, partisanship, being devils advocate, or do you really not recognize the difference?

More importantly, though, once again, you're missing the point. What principles of MAGA are you addressing? There two parts to this question: "What principles of MAGA are not fascist in nature? To answer that question, one has has to first identify the principles of MAGA then compare that to fascism.

Jaypatriot did that, for example, pointing out that "MAGA is anti-immigrant". That's a principle. It is, unfortunately for the argument, shared by fascism, so not a distinction. He's still, however, the only one to address the subject of the thread.

Why is this such a difficult concept?

You are libeling me (I.e, making false and malicious statements)
claiming I an anti-immigrant.
I want immigrants to be in this country legally and not the way Biden and Mayorkas allowed millions to sneak through and and tax every branch of our government for four years.
We need migrants to fill in the job openings that allow them to work hard and provide for their families.

 

[NWRatCon]

Equality for all, seems to be a principle they espouse. I'm assuming they mean in the context of our own government interacting with our own citizens, of course.

That is simply false. I have NEVER seen ANY MAGAn assert that. Exactly the opposite, in fact.

This is a serious discussion. Please try to pretend to be serious.

 

[Ethel2]

Regardless your claim to be a "long-time student of fascism and authoritarian movements", I don't think you really understand what fascism is.

Anyway, to answer your thread title question...

Nothing about MAGA is fascist in nature.

 

[NWRatCon]

You are libeling me (I.e, making false and malicious statements)
claiming I an anti-immigrant.
I want immigrants to be in this country legally and not the way Biden and Mayorkas allowed millions to sneak through and and tax every branch of our government for four years.
We need migrants to fill in the job openings that allow them to work hard and provide for their families.

I didn't mean to misrepresent you, nor do I believe I did. I didn't say YOU were anti-immigrant, but I quoted what you said MAGA stands for. I agree with you that we need immigrants to fill the job openings, that is economic reality, but it is certainly not a MAGA principle that "we should liberalize immigration to fill American jobs." I was trying to distinguish that you, at least, presented a MAGA principle, and no other poster has.

For reference, Post # 79 contains jaypatriot's presentation. I took that as a legitimate argument (and the only responsive one). I want to show other posters how it is done.

 

[NWRatCon]

They think fascism is when they are asked to wear a mask.

And yet they voluntarily wear a mask when they are violating the law. Go figure...

 

[jaypatriot]

I didn't mean to misrepresent you, nor do I believe I did. I didn't say YOU were anti-immigrant, but I quoted what you said MAGA stands for. I agree with you that we need immigrants to fill the job openings, that is economic reality, but it is certainly not a MAGA principle that "we should liberalize immigration to fill American jobs." I was trying to distinguish that you, at least, presented a MAGA principle, and no other poster has.

For reference, Post # 79 contains jaypatriot's presentation. I took that as a legitimate argument (and the only responsive one). I want to show other posters how it is done.

So we agree on more than we disagree on.
A good start.

 

[CLAX1911]

Those still in MAGA at this stage know they are fascists.

But don't admit it because?

It is impossible for them to be anything else, given the evidence. Its why they claimed they had a mandate from the election. An election system that MAGA claimed was unfair until they won. Then it was only the one they lost that was the problem. No one believes their lies except themselves.

So 9 million people just popped into existence to vote for the stellar Joe Biden and then disappeared?

The only honest answer MAGA can give is a boot on your throat. So no, I do not believe authoritarians when they claim it will only be X group. History teaches us that it is always a lie. Along with attacks on the press, typical authoritarian behaviour.

I don't think it's Trump supporters that are the authoritarians I think it's the people trying to remove him from democracy either through phony felony charges or attempting to kill him.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

But don't admit it because?

They are cowards?

So 9 million people just popped into existence to vote for the stellar Joe Biden and then disappeared?

Ok, leading with the big lie is not going to get you anywhere. Did you forget that only MAGA people play the MAGA game?

I don't think it's Trump supporters that are the authoritarians I think it's the people trying to remove him from democracy either through phony felony charges or attempting to kill him.

Well if only MAGA respected the rule of law? But then MAGA is purposely destroying the rule of law to put a one man above us all. MAGA only wants to rule us and we are not going to let them. MAGA will be just a memory when democracy gets its next round. Money talks.

 

[CLAX1911]

They are cowards?

That doesn't make sense.

Consider for a moment that you may be wrong. I know that's not possible to extremely egotistical type but that seems to be more likely than someone being brave enough to be a fascist but to cowardly to admit it

Ok, leading with the big lie is not going to get you anywhere. Did you forget that only MAGA people play the MAGA game?

Account for the 9 million magical voters that popped into existence for Joe Biden but disappeared the moment he was elected.

Well if only MAGA respected the rule of law? But then MAGA is purposely destroying the rule of law to put a one man above us all. MAGA only wants to rule us and we are not going to let them. MAGA will be just a memory when democracy gets its next round. Money talks.

In the past election you picked the president that totally disregarded the rule of law. And people made excuses for him important is degenerate pedophile son for his 14-year crimes spree.

You don't get to support that party and also get everyone to believe you support the rule of law. That's also not forget the fabricated crime that Donald Trump was charged with in the pathetic attempts to murder him.

If mega doesn't respect the rule of law their infinitely Superior than all Democrats that respecting the rule of law.

 

[RF667799]

That is simply false. I have NEVER seen ANY MAGAn assert that. Exactly the opposite, in fact.

This is a serious discussion. Please try to pretend to be serious.

It's in the GOP platform. I guess you just don't like having the same principles as the fascists.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

That doesn't make sense.

Consider for a moment that you may be wrong. I know that's not possible to extremely egotistical type but that seems to be more likely than someone being brave enough to be a fascist but to cowardly to admit it

Account for the 9 million magical voters that popped into existence for Joe Biden but disappeared the moment he was elected.



In the past election you picked the president that totally disregarded the rule of law. And people made excuses for him important is degenerate pedophile son for his 14-year crimes spree.

You don't get to support that party and also get everyone to believe you support the rule of law. That's also not forget the fabricated crime that Donald Trump was charged with in the pathetic attempts to murder him.

If mega doesn't respect the rule of law their infinitely Superior than all Democrats that respecting the rule of law.

I see now you want people to believe that I am just being egotistical. Calling attention to your opinions of another poster is a bad look.

Also I do not give one **** what you think of my choices. Nor do I care to discuss your argument which is nothing but lies and attempts to garner a reaction void of substance.

 

[CLAX1911]

I see now you want people to believe that I am just being egotistical. Calling attention to your opinions of another poster is a bad look.

No I don't care what anyone believes. I don't do things to perform for imaginary people.

I'm interested in the truth.

Also I do not give one **** what you think of my choices.

La di da

Nor do I care to discuss your argument which is nothing but lies and attempts to garner a reaction void of substance.

What are you saying people are fascist for voting for The Man that the government tried to bankrupt tried to imprison and tried to kill. When did Donald Trump or any of his supporters try to imprison Kamala Harris or Joe Biden I don't remember.

But if it's an effort to make you look bad to point out things that your party did I guess guilty as charged

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

No I don't care what anyone believes. I don't do things to perform for imaginary people.

I'm interested in the truth.

La di da

What are you saying people are fascist for voting for The Man that the government tried to bankrupt tried to imprison and tried to kill. When did Donald Trump or any of his supporters try to imprison Kamala Harris or Joe Biden I don't remember.

But if it's an effort to make you look bad to point out things that your party did I guess guilty as charged

I do not belong to a political party. I never have. I view all political parties as sanctioned corruption that leads to crap like what MAGA is doing. Or ineptness like how a faction of the Democratic Party gave us Trump. So your strawman seems stupid to me.

 

[CLAX1911]

I do not belong to a political party. I never have. I view all political parties as sanctioned corruption that leads to crap like what MAGA is doing. Or ineptness like how a faction of the Democratic Party gave us Trump. So your strawman seems stupid to me.

The Democrats did everything in their power to remove Trump from the ballot but that's why the people wanted. They even tried to murder him. So who is more fascist?

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

The Democrats did everything in their power to remove Trump from the ballot but that's why the people wanted. They even tried to murder him. So who is more fascist?

You are making up "they". There was no crazy conspiracy. Just lie after lie; lies. Trying to pretend the Democratic Party was trying to assassinate your dear leader is complete bullshit. Just complete dishonesty and tin foil hat world.

Still MAGA is the current faction in power, not Democrats. MAGA is the one who wanted fascism and is trying to install it against the will of the people. MAGA built the gulag in El Salvador. Stop pretending that everyone is unaware of the villainy that MAGA wants. WE see MAGA and their desires and none of the lies that you tell will stop us.

 

[CLAX1911]

You are making up "they". There was no crazy conspiracy. Just lie after lie; lies. Trying to pretend the Democratic Party was trying to assassinate your dear leader is complete bullshit. Just complete dishonesty and tin foil hat world.

I'm not making these events up they occured

Still MAGA is the current faction in power, not Democrats.

That's how you know it's not fascist if the Democrats were in power it would be fascist because they ran somebody nobody liked and they would have successfully put their opposition in prison.

MAGA is the one who wanted fascism and is trying to install it against the will of the people. MAGA built the gulag in El Salvador. Stop pretending that everyone is unaware of the villainy that MAGA wants. WE see MAGA and their desires and none of the lies that you tell will stop us.

Again Democrats tried to bankrupt Donald Trump they tried to arrest and imprison Donald Trump and then they tried to murder him.

Democrats word textbook fascists.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

I'm not making these events up they occured

That's how you know it's not fascist if the Democrats were in power it would be fascist because they ran somebody nobody liked and they would have successfully put their opposition in prison.

Again Democrats tried to bankrupt Donald Trump they tried to arrest and imprison Donald Trump and then they tried to murder him.

Democrats word textbook fascists.

The Democrats did not try to murder Trump, that is a lame lie. But I am sure this not the only conspiracy theory you want to point at. And who cares what you think the Democrats did. I mean its just bullshit. You have no actual evidence, just lies after lies. It is really disturbing to watch MAGA lie so much and act like someone should believe them. lol

 

[CLAX1911]

The Democrats did not try to murder Trump,

Right these would be assassin's acted completely alone. And the moon is made of cheese.

that is a lame lie. But I am sure this not the only conspiracy theory you want to point at.

It beats the way dumber theory that some random dude wanted to murder Trump for no reason.

And who cares what you think the Democrats did. I mean its just bullshit.

Sure it is.

You have no actual evidence, just lies after lies. It is really disturbing to watch MAGA lie so much and act like someone should believe them. lol

Most likely scenario doesn't include some apolitical nobody just deciding to take shots at Trump.

You have plausible deniability but just barely.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Right these would be assassin's acted completely alone. And the moon is made of cheese.

It beats the way dumber theory that some random dude wanted to murder Trump for no reason.

Sure it is.

Most likely scenario doesn't include some apolitical nobody just deciding to take shots at Trump.

You have plausible deniability but just barely.

Lol just making up a story is not going to get you anywhere.

 

[CLAX1911]

Lol just making up a story is not going to get you anywhere.

No the idea that some dude just out of the blue for no reason at all tried to kill Donald Trump is a made up story. Nobody believes that crap.

 

[NWRatCon]

It's in the GOP platform. I guess you just don't like having the same principles as the fascists.

So, deliberately discriminating against minorities is "equality"? Ri-i-i-ight.
Does the GOP platform represent MAGA? That would surprise a lot of party members.

 

[NWRatCon]

Here's the way it works, folks:
A ≠ B because...

As a matter of basic logic:
A ≠ C does not address the topic
But D is like B does not address the question
"Nuh uhn" does not address the question
"You hate A!" Does not address the question

This isn't complicated.

Start with defining A and B, then you can address the question. I even presented half the analogy for you.