What is Your Status on Receiving the Covid Vaccine?

[dave8383]

99.8% of people age 50 and under recover from covid19. The vaccine has a 5% ADR rate so far, possibly higher.

Do the math.

If you get the vaccine it reduces the chance of passing it along to someone who is vulnerable. Do the math.

 

[joko104]

If you don't get the vaccine you may be giving your life away.

I guess he and I may not be sharing immortality with you.

If you get this "new-never before-never long term tested genetic modifier -that-isn't-a-vaccine" it might lead to worsening horrific and disabling physical and mental deterioration towards a slow painful death.

You might be right that it is a better gamble to 100% get that put into your body for permanent artificial alternations rather than the chance that you will be killed by covid-19. Well, a possible reduction in the odds that you will be killed by covid-19. Might be killed by covid-19 even if you do it.

Most people don't actually know when and how they will die. There are so many ways and it can happen at anytime. (I hope you live to read this message. If not, I enjoyed our brief interaction. LOL)

 

[TurtleDude]

Yesterday, Ohio lowered the age threshold to 60. I tried several places-one drug store chain said it had appointments. I signed up for a slot, did everything, but the final submission kept locking up. After a half hour I reloaded the page-no appointments available> I posted this on my FB page. One of the mothers of one of my students works for the Hamilton County Dept of Heath. I live in another county but she said Butler County (where I teach) was having a massive clinic at the County Fairgrounds and residents of counties other than Butler could sign up if they worked in the county. I got a slot 1230-1250 Today. It actually took until two to get the shot-they made us stay for 15 minutes afterwards to make sure no adverse impact. I will be getting a sign up email for the second on the 2nd of April. Moderna. One of the police officers directing traffic said it was more crowded than normal due to the change in eligibility yesterday.

 

[AJG]

There is a vaccine court in the U.S. It has dished out billions of dollars in tax payer money so far. The corporations pay nothing, even if found liable. The court awards all come from tax dollars.

The covid vaccines are exempt because they are "experimental", which is why they make you sign the waiver. So you can't sue anybody because you are essentially agreeing to be part of an experimental trial drug.

This is what the average joe is not realizing. If you sign that waiver, you're signing your life away.

I'm not lying, I promise you. I'm not even anti-vax. I am just tired of corruption in our medical system.

I'm not sure this is an example corruption. IIRC vaccine makers were being sued with such frequency that they were at risk of no longer being financially viable. To prevent this a system was set up where you can't sue the vaccine makers, but instead be compensated by the government if you received injury from a vaccine.

Because many cases against vaccines involve claims of permanent injury to children, they not only are difficult to argue, but can be expensive. With this in mind, the pharmaceutical companies that make vaccines began to shift their calculus. The drug-development process is costly and time-consuming, and not likely to be embarked upon without a high-likelihood payoff for a drug company’s shareholders. Developing a novel vaccine that could prevent hundreds of thousands of cases of a deadly disease—but cause a much smaller number of side effects that could lead to multimillion-dollar lawsuits—made a useful product an unappealing business proposition. During the 1970s and ’80s, some manufacturers began to withdraw from vaccine production.


In the midst of this, public-health officials grew concerned about the stability of the country’s continued supply of existing vaccines—and the dwindling business incentive for companies to invest in developing new ones. It was on these grounds that Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 (also known as the Vaccine Act), indemnifying drug companies from further lawsuits.

Why the Government Pays Billions to People Who Claim Injury by Vaccines

A little-known deal protects drug companies in the U.S. from being sued—and feeds conspiracy theories in the process.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[joko104]

Joko is a special case, if you have followed his arguments for a while, like I have, you will get less upset by them, and start feeling sorry for him.

Go whine about me in the basement.

 

[Fearandloathing]

What is you status on receiving the covid vaccine?

Vaccine? There's a vaccine?

Seriously it's yet another Canadian master-stroke of incompetence meeting laziness with stupidity for desert.

Canada is now 44th in the world for % of the population vaccinated....

I'm 72 with a list of co-morbidities from diabetes to heart disease and the best the system can do is "70 and over" will start just as soon as the 80 & over crowd is vaccinated, which hasn't started yet. They have been milking an extra dose out of the first vaccine and now have set 40 days as the time between shots to extend the little bit we have.

I could say its another sign of Canada's humility, but that's bullshit. They have known of the no vaccine makers in Canada since SARS and have nothing about it. NOW, they say we will build a lab..in two to three years.

I believe Mr. Trudeau's days a short.....

 

[Gaius46]

Fear isn't driving my decision, but scientific sensibility. I assure you, I know more about how these vaccines work than you do, along with their underbelly. I know people who work in medical research, vaccine development, and who work on the front lines in health care.

There is a 5% ADR rate so far, probably more due to underreporting. Not interested in your mainstream statistics that you got from the daily news. A lot of people in health care are quitting rather than getting this vaccine because of what they have seen it do to some people.

I'm not anti-vax I'm smart vax. I use medicines that have tried and true science behind them. There are too many unanswered questions, not to mention lack of medical trials.

No thank you.

What’s an ADR rate? Google just gives back some hotel industry measure.

 

[dave8383]

Had my first Moderna on the 1st. The second will be on the 29th. It all went off with one phone call. This is Massachusettes, we do things the right way.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Won't be getting it. Stop calling the Pfizer shot a "vaccine." It is not a vaccine. It is RNA genetic alteration therapy. The Johnson Johnson vaccine is a vaccine, but at a claimed 60% effectiveness it's nothing because there is the built in excuse for why you contracted covid-19 after it, ie you are one of the 40%. With that, there is actually no way whatsoever to know if it is effective or not.

Notably, not one person can claim any of the covid-19 vaccines are long term safe, because unlike nearly all other vaccines no long term effects study was even possible. I read the Pfizer study methodology - and it's like a really bad joke. It is also know Pfizer lied because they claimed no adverse side effects by anyone - when in fact it is known there are for some people. So besides a junk study as their proof, on top of that they lied even about that.

You people be the lab monkeys. Over time we can see how modifying your RNA affects you. My concerns for society is what harms might it cause 1 to 3 generations from now. As analogy, it was learned that certain genetically modified foods cause sterility in rats at the 3rd or 4th generation of offspring.

Good luck to you volunteer lab monkeys. You gamble our life you way. I'll do so for mine.

Go ahead and don't get it. There's culling the herd and herd immunity. You're free to make your own choice as to which you prefer.

 

[Northern Light]

What’s an ADR rate? Google just gives back some hotel industry measure.

Adverse Drug Reaction.

 

[Atomic Kid]

What is you status on receiving the covid vaccine?

Got my first on 2/18 (Moderna) Scheduled to get my second on 3/18.

 

[upsideguy]

Fear isn't driving my decision, but scientific sensibility. I assure you, I know more about how these vaccines work than you do, along with their underbelly. I know people who work in medical research, vaccine development, and who work on the front lines in health care.

There is a 5% ADR rate so far, probably more due to underreporting. Not interested in your mainstream statistics that you got from the daily news. A lot of people in health care are quitting rather than getting this vaccine because of what they have seen it do to some people.

I'm not anti-vax I'm smart vax. I use medicines that have tried and true science behind them. There are too many unanswered questions, not to mention lack of medical trials.

No thank you.

Sorry pal, you don't get to make affirmative statements, especially ones citing facts without providing a cite. So, let's see your cite otherwise can draw the conclusion that you are merely speaking from a lower body part.... and, also tell us why you "know more about how these vaccines work than....."

 

[Northern Light]

I'm not sure this is an example corruption. IIRC vaccine makers were being sued with such frequency that they were at risk of no longer being financially viable. To prevent this a system was set up where you can't sue the vaccine makers, but instead be compensated by the government if you received injury from a vaccine.

Consider the logic of what you just said. They are making products that are harmful to enough people that the resulting lawsuits could destroy their companies. So instead of negatively incentivizing these companies to make a safer product, we just make tax payers foot the bill for lawsuits.

How is that not corruption?

 

[iguanaman]

What is you status on receiving the covid vaccine?

Here in Florida 65 and older are on a list by county started at the end of January. Then there are the Governors big donors and they get special pop-up vaccination centers and everyone over 65 in the private development gets vaccinated. Then there is the CVS and Publix lotteries in many counties. I am just waiting to be notified by the county unless I win the Publix lottery that my daughter and grandson enter every Mon. Wed. and Friday at 7:00AM. In case you are wondering...no I am not happy about this situation. We are only averaging 1000 shots a day in my county and at that rate it will be months longer for just the 65 and older to get vaccinated.

 

[Northern Light]

If you get the vaccine it reduces the chance of passing it along to someone who is vulnerable. Do the math.

No it doesn't. You can still get the virus and transmit it.

 

[Northern Light]

Sorry pal, you don't get to make affirmative statements, especially ones citing facts without providing a cite. So, let's see your cite otherwise can draw the conclusion that you are merely speaking from a lower body part.... and, also tell us why you "know more about how these vaccines work than....."

Here you go, for the Pfizer version:

Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine Reactions & Adverse Events | CDC

Information about reactions and adverse events reported by recipients of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine

www.cdc.gov

I hope you have a background in stats to comb through the data because I'm not walking you through it. The combined ADR rate is actually higher than I said, but I excluded the most minor/common reactions.

 

[iguanaman]

Consider the logic of what you just said. They are making products that are harmful to enough people that the resulting lawsuits could destroy their companies. So instead of negatively incentivizing these companies to make a safer product, we just make tax payers foot the bill for lawsuits.

How is that not corruption?

Or there are always a small number of adverse reactions to any medical product and in the case of vaccines that have a limited lifetime and lower profit margin may make them unprofitable. Isn't in the Govts. best interest to keep companies investing in vaccines and research?

 

[Northern Light]

Sorry pal, you don't get to make affirmative statements, especially ones citing facts without providing a cite. So, let's see your cite otherwise can draw the conclusion that you are merely speaking from a lower body part.... and, also tell us why you "know more about how these vaccines work than....."

You can also go to VAERS and search for the Pfzier or Moderna vaccines if you want to know more. The Oxford one isn't listed yet.

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) Request

wonder.cdc.gov

I can't copy and paste pages and pages of data to you. I've been reading about this since the vaccines came out. I have my MSc in Biology and I do a lot of research on the regular as part of work, so I'm always reading databases.

 

[Northern Light]

Or there are always a small number of adverse reactions to any medical product and in the case of vaccines that have a limited lifetime and lower profit margin may make them unprofitable. Isn't in the Govts. best interest to keep companies investing in vaccines and research?

The official stated ADR rate by the government for vaccines as a aggregate is 1%. This is the reported rate. It's of course higher than that because a lot goes undocumented.

I understand what you're saying, but if it's no different then any medical product then why create a special court for it? Wherein, by the way, all cases are sealed from public knowledge. We don't even know the cases. Maybe if you were able to read some of them you wouldn't be so casual? Even a 1% ADR rate across hundreds of millions of people is a lot, don't you think?

I'm suspect of this idea that if we don't protect companies from being sued, they will go under. It's that whole "too big to fail" idea. So the alternative is giving them legal immunity? I think there has to be some middle ground.

 

[upsideguy]

You can also go to VAERS and search for the Pfzier or Moderna vaccines if you want to know more. The Oxford one isn't listed yet.

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) Request

wonder.cdc.gov

I can't copy and paste pages and pages of data to you. I've been reading about this since the vaccines came out. I have my MSc in Biology and I do a lot of research on the regular as part of work, so I'm always reading databases.

Thank you. I will attempt to make sense of it. I appreciate you backing up your points, especially when your points run contrary to conventional wisdom. There are far too many here that make bold statements they simply can not back up.
I am here to learn from those that actually have something to teach. I will review the CDC database to see if I can make sense of it.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Here in Florida 65 and older are on a list by county started at the end of January. Then their are the Governors big donors and they get special pop-up vaccination centers and everyone over 65 in the private development gets vaccinated. Then there is the CVS and Publix lotteries in many counties. I am just waiting to be notified by the county unless I win the Publix lottery that my daughter and grandson enter every Mon. Wed. and Friday at 7:00AM. In case you are wondering...no I am not happy about this situation. We are only averaging 1000 shots a day in my county and at that rate it will be months longer for just the 65 and older to get vaccinated.

The general public in Florida is reduced to having to hope to win a win a lottery, like a Powerball drawing to get a shot from their local pharmacies? Sounds rather barbaric. But then again DeSantis is your governor. So a Middle-ages minded type of approach would sadly seem to figure.

 

[iguanaman]

No it doesn't. You can still get the virus and transmit it.

They have not verified that as fact yet, but it is possible. The transmission is much reduced too.


In general, if vaccination doesn’t completely prevent infection, it will significantly reduce the amount of virus coming out of your nose and mouth – a process called shedding – and shorten the time that you shed the virus. This is a big deal. A person who sheds less virus is less likely to transmit it to someone else.
This seems to be the case with coronavirus vaccines. In a recent preprint study which has yet to be peer reviewed, Israeli researchers tested 2,897 vaccinated people for signs of coronavirus infection. Most had no detectable virus, but people who were infected had one-quarter the amount of virus in their bodies as unvaccinated people tested at similar times post-infection.

https://www.nextgov.com/ideas/2021/03/can-vaccinated-people-still-spread-coronavirus/172371/

 

[iguanaman]

The general public in Florida is reduced to having to hope to win a win a lottery, like a Powerball drawing to get a shot from their local pharmacies? Sounds rather barbaric. But then again DeSantis is your governor. So a Middle-ages minded type of approach would sadly seem to figure.

Yes the private pharmacies run a phone lottery 3 times a week because that is when they get their dose allotments. Yesterday 731 Lee county residents got their 1st shot and 709 got their 2nd in a country with nearly a million people. It will be months and months just for us old people at this rate.

 

[Northern Light]

They have not verified that as fact yet, but it is possible. The transmission is much reduced too.


In general, if vaccination doesn’t completely prevent infection, it will significantly reduce the amount of virus coming out of your nose and mouth – a process called shedding – and shorten the time that you shed the virus. This is a big deal. A person who sheds less virus is less likely to transmit it to someone else.
This seems to be the case with coronavirus vaccines. In a recent preprint study which has yet to be peer reviewed, Israeli researchers tested 2,897 vaccinated people for signs of coronavirus infection. Most had no detectable virus, but people who were infected had one-quarter the amount of virus in their bodies as unvaccinated people tested at similar times post-infection.

https://www.nextgov.com/ideas/2021/03/can-vaccinated-people-still-spread-coronavirus/172371/

Thank you for doing this. On cursory exploration of the links in the article, they are referring to the trial studies of the vaccine, not post-consumer data (which is still being collected). In other words they are regurgitating the same claims that the companies made when the vaccines were being released. Again, this does not speak to any long-term data. Also, note that the Israeli study has not been peer reviewed.

To summarize, we don't know:
- how long vaccine immunity lasts
- if immunity is uniform among all populations vs. time elapsed
- post-vaccination infection rates and transmission levels
- if immunocompetence is equivalent to covid19 infection itself

The only thing they can mostly guarantee is that you won't get severe disease. Well, 99.8% of people don't get severe disease anyway.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Yes the private pharmacies run a phone lottery 3 times a week because that is when they get their dose allotments. Yesterday 731 Lee county residents got their 1st shot and 709 got their 2nd in a country with nearly a million people. It will be months and months just for us old people at this rate.

Wow, that's ****ed up! You people need to get DeSantis the **** out of there before he knocks your whole state back into the Dark Ages.