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First off. I support a woman's right to have an abortion.
That said, If abortions were banned the US should first hold the mating couple accountable for producing an "unwanted" child. There are proven methods to reduce the risk of the female becoming pregnant. If the couple gives up the child, they should be held financially accountable for that child till it is adopted by some other person.
What if they are mentally and physically unable to take care of a baby?
Well the repeat killers would probably kill less as they would carry for 9 months, I'm assuming by becoming a parent they would mature and not be whoring around but be at home raising a baby. I'm thinking they would be more thoughtful of becoming pregnant knowing there was no killing there way out of the situation. But on a positive side I believe most would see a child is the best gift they could be given and that no one will ever love them as the one in there arms, they will learn what it means to have a reason to live and then will than km God they were unable to kill the most precious gift life has to give
Well, we certainly wouldn't kill them. So that's a start.
Even if abortions were illegal, women would do whatever it takes to end their pregnancies early.
Drinking alcohol under age 21 is illegal. If someone's age is questionable, he/she must show an ID card to buy it. Guess what? People who are at least 21 years old buy alcoholic beverages for underage friends or family members without anyone knowing it. You can't expect any woman to decide against abortion just because it is illegal; she would just have an untrained person do it in a totally unsanitary setting, using a very dangerous method that can kill her.
That would be a very stupid choice to make then, wouldn't it? A woman who will do anything to kill her unborn child should be just as guilty at the women who secretly give birth and then throw their babies in the dumpster.
Abortions are higher in countries where they are illegal.
That would be a very stupid choice to make then, wouldn't it? A woman who will do anything to kill her unborn child should be just as guilty at the women who secretly give birth and then throw their babies in the dumpster.
The only reason women would do it is they are not allowed to have safe abortions performed privately by trained professionals in sterile operating rooms. Do you really think women would want to have back alley abortions instead if given a choice?
Well, we certainly wouldn't kill them. So that's a start.
Abortions are higher in countries where they are illegal.
Let's discuss this. Source?
Abortion rates go down when countries make it legal: reportLet's discuss this. Source?
Countries with the most restrictive abortion laws also have the highest rates of abortion, the study by the Guttmacher Institute found.
I see nothing in the research that says making abortion legal causes the abortions to go down. How does that even make sense? When you legalize something, it becomes more prevalent. The number of unwanted pregnancies doesn't suddenly drop when a procedure to get rid of unwanted pregnancies become illegal. But what DOES drop unwanted pregnancies? Hmm?
Contraceptives.
The countries where abortion is illegal are very underdeveloped countries. What are they lacking that causes the spikes in abortions? Contraceptives and education about family planning.
Countries who legalized abortion with or without restrictions are more developed and have more education and access to birth control.
And the Trump Health and Human Services Department has reversed Obama era policies that made contraception more freely available and that used evidence-based approaches to fight teen pregnancy — over the objections of career health officials.
What you would have seen if you had read the article is statements such as
In most developed countries where abortion is legal there is also a rise in freely available contraception as well as better education. America of course being an exception.
You need to look at the combination of education, contraception and legality is what causes the abortion rate to go down.
What does that statement have to do with what we're discussing --- what is the cause of high abortion rates in countries where abortion is illegal.
Try reading the statement again.Contraception and education on family planning is widely available to everyone in the US.
And the Trump Health and Human Services Department has reversed Obama era policies that made contraception more freely available and that used evidence-based approaches to fight teen pregnancy — over the objections of career health officials.
Education and contraception are obviously the main reasons why abortion rates go down. Making abortion legal doesn't change the number of women wanting abortions - preventing the pregnancies in the first place does.
Even if abortions were illegal, women would do whatever it takes to end their pregnancies early.
Drinking alcohol under age 21 is illegal. If someone's age is questionable, he/she must show an ID card to buy it. Guess what? People who are at least 21 years old buy alcoholic beverages for underage friends or family members without anyone knowing it. You can't expect any woman to decide against abortion just because it is illegal; she would just have an untrained person do it in a totally unsanitary setting, using a very dangerous method that can kill her.
Countries that make abortion illegal usually are not going to make contraceptives or education readily available either.What does that statement have to do with what we're discussing --- what is the cause of high abortion rates in countries where abortion is illegal.
That's just not true. Schools in conservative areas do not have realistic, honest, science based sex-education and PP clinics that provide education and contraceptives have been regulated out of business in many conservative states. Catholic cpcs don't provide any education or contraceptives. Many of those states also have religious morals laws that make getting certain contraceptives and morning after medication almost impossible for women with out transportation.Contraception and education on family planning is widely available to everyone in the US.
Preventing pregnancies is certainly the better focus than either abortion or giving birth. And yet the pro-life movement is promoting abstinence only, denies insurance that covers women's contraceptives, allows medical personnel and pharmacists to refuse services or products they believe are immoral, closes PP centers and supports CPCsEducation and contraception are obviously the main reasons why abortion rates go down. Making abortion legal doesn't change the number of women wanting abortions - preventing the pregnancies in the first place does.
The deep south red states have proven that dont have to do a dam thing for their ppl and also wouldnt for the extra 8m kids. Conservative Republicans fail so hard at understanding the spectrum of human nature and motivations. They only write policy for the wealthy or the gifted and extremely motivated. Anyone else dies and deserves it.I agree with you that seems to be their plan, but when the reality of 800,000 extra children every year (8,000,000 in ten years) shows up in the real world needing services, programs, education, medical attention, housing someone is going to have to come up with a plan to deal with these needs. The reality that a 20% increase in births every year is so enormous it will not simply be absorbed into the general population doesn't seem to have sunk in to the conservative mind, yet.
That people will persist in murdering/raping/stealing from others despite the law is not an argument for allowing murder/rape/theft.
That people will persist in murdering/raping/stealing from others despite the law is not an argument for allowing murder/rape/theft.
It has, but your "solution" of "just kill them all" is unacceptable. Why don't you folks come up with a solution that stops it before it gets to that point?I agree with you that seems to be their plan, but when the reality of 800,000 extra children every year (8,000,000 in ten years) shows up in the real world needing services, programs, education, medical attention, housing someone is going to have to come up with a plan to deal with these needs. The reality that a 20% increase in births every year is so enormous it will not simply be absorbed into the general population doesn't seem to have sunk in to the conservative mind, yet.
It appears his point was exactly in context.Like every other anti-choicer, you intentionally took a very clear post totally out of context to suit your biased opinion. Let me know when you figure out how to read and comprehend factual analogies.
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