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What is your advice?

Dittohead not! said:
Yes, in another five or six years of trying, perhaps Joe could be designated as "disabled".

So, we need a crime that will carry a prison term somewhat less than that in order to make it a better option.
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To get Medi-Cal as a disabled person, you must have severe physical and/or mental problem(s) which will:

Last at least 12 months in a row and,

Stop you from working during those 12 months, OR

Possibly result in death, You must prove your disabling physical and/or mental problem(s) with medical records, tests, and other medical findings. The medical problem must be the main reason why do not work. For additional information: Medi-Cal What It Means To You
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Sounds like he qualifies for Medi-Cal.
Joe's gonna be alright, sans the jail time.
 
MistressNomad said:
Yup, because his friends and family are rolling in dough, in a city with 6 unemployed people to every 1 job and failing businesses everywhere. Hell, most of them are asking HIM for help. He's the only one among them who has been able to find a permanent job (or at least, permanent as long as they don't go under, which is looking more likely every day).

I've already explained why not everyone is able to do that. Specialist visits can cause hundreds or even thousands. I've been over this territory countless times with you. And when it comes to health care, you really do seem to live in a fantasy world.
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Your friend sounds like he's already visited a doctor.
Could he not use those findings?

Are we just going to keep making excuses on why we can't get aid, even though there are options?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Your friend sounds like he's already visited a doctor.
Could he not use those findings?

Are we just going to keep making excuses on why we can't get aid, even though there are options?
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It's a pretty common problem in his field. It's definitely an RSI of some type, and it's identical to his brother's tendinitis. As someone who spent 2 years in PT for different RSI's, it sounds like tendinitis to me too.

He can't. He would have to stop working to qualify for medical aide, but he can't qualify for welfare because he's a single adult. Period. What other options are there?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Sounds like he qualifies for Medi-Cal.
Joe's gonna be alright, sans the jail time.
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Not according to the bureaucrat he was able to contact after talking to fifteen robotic voices and picking option (1), English, (2) apply for Medi cal, and so on.

He can appeal the decision, of course, and it will only take a couple of months to get another opinion from another bureaucrat.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Not according to the bureaucrat he was able to contact after talking to fifteen robotic voices and picking option (1), English, (2) apply for Medi cal, and so on.

He can appeal the decision, of course, and it will only take a couple of months to get another opinion from another bureaucrat.
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So your solution to ****ty government, is more government?
How does that make sense?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Not according to the bureaucrat he was able to contact after talking to fifteen robotic voices and picking option (1), English, (2) apply for Medi cal, and so on.

He can appeal the decision, of course, and it will only take a couple of months to get another opinion from another bureaucrat.
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Well thank God nobody in my immediate circle of acquaintances are in such shoes </lying>, so I don't have to give a **** what happens to your buddy. OBVIOUSLY he's a dumb **** who deserves the roof that fell in on him.
 
MistressNomad said:
It's a pretty common problem in his field. It's definitely an RSI of some type, and it's identical to his brother's tendinitis. As someone who spent 2 years in PT for different RSI's, it sounds like tendinitis to me too.

He can't. He would have to stop working to qualify for medical aide, but he can't qualify for welfare because he's a single adult. Period. What other options are there?
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If the condition is serious enough and since it sounds like he isn't earning all that much.
Quit working until he's treated and stabilized or find some kind of charity medical aid.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
If the condition is serious enough and since it sounds like he isn't earning all that much.
Quit working until he's treated and stabilized or find some kind of charity medical aid.
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And do what? No one can afford to house him. Just go live on the street?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
If the condition is serious enough and since it sounds like he isn't earning all that much.
Quit working until he's treated and stabilized or find some kind of charity medical aid.
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Easy-peasy! Because Joe is the only one who needs help, so obviously such programs aren't already stretched beyond their limits. :D
 
BDBoop said:
Well thank God nobody in my immediate circle of acquaintances are in such shoes </lying>, so I don't have to give a **** what happens to your buddy. OBVIOUSLY he's a dumb **** who deserves the roof that fell in on him.
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No I work with a guy who has long term health problem, in fact I work with several, some that could qualify for disability but they'd rather work.

But more to the point, the guy who has a long term muscular problem, purposefully chose not to take advantage of the subsidized medical insurance, because he'd rather have more beer.
 
BDBoop said:
Easy-peasy! Because Joe is the only one who needs help, so obviously such programs aren't already stretched beyond their limits. :D
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...And it's not like PT is a process that takes months or years and costs $200-$400 per visit. Oh wait, yes it does.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
No I work with a guy who has long term health problem, in fact I work with several, some that could qualify for disability but they'd rather work.

But more to the point, the guy who has a long term muscular problem, purposefully chose not to take advantage of the subsidized medical insurance, because he'd rather have more beer.
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Are you ****ing kidding me?! Seriously. Harry? If they can work (and they can!) then we aren't talking about them. ffs.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
No I work with a guy who has long term health problem, in fact I work with several, some that could qualify for disability but they'd rather work.

But more to the point, the guy who has a long term muscular problem, purposefully chose not to take advantage of the subsidized medical insurance, because he'd rather have more beer.
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Talk about poor choices!

He's willing to do without medical care in order to have more beer?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Talk about poor choices!

He's willing to do without medical care in order to have more beer?
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Beer makes me shudder.

And of course the guy in question represents every disabled person in the land.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Talk about poor choices!

He's willing to do without medical care in order to have more beer?
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Some people in this world make ****ty choices, the guy is about 5 years younger than me (he's early 20's) and has way more medical issues than I.

He lives a hard and fast life, it will catch up with him.
 
BDBoop said:
Are you ****ing kidding me?! Seriously. Harry? If they can work (and they can!) then we aren't talking about them. ffs.
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Lots of people have serious medical conditions and can work.
Hell one guy has serious back problems but doesn't want to the surgery because back surgery is highly experimental, with unpredictable results.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Clearly, you should of let your life fall apart around you and afterward, went to jail.
Sucker. :2razz:
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I know. People act like hospitals are procreations of Satan. The hospital asked if I could pay it upfront and I said no, so we set up a payment plan. I pay $50 a month, sure I'll be paying it a while, but I am the one paying it.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Lots of people have serious medical conditions and can work.
Hell one guy has serious back problems but doesn't want to the surgery because back surgery is highly experimental, with unpredictable results.
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Yes, some people with disk issues do work.

I had such an issue back in '86. Luckily for me,
I had health insurance.
I had a job that didn't require much physical work (unlike doing plumbing)
The procedure I needed only cost about $10,000 at that time.
I had sick days built up.
Unemployment wasn't rampant at that time.

So, I got the care needed and went back to work without losing my house and having to live in a brother in law's trailer, which was really lucky, as I don't have a brother in law with an empty trailer.

All of which illustrates how much more difficult life in this great country has become in the past quarter century or so.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The problem is, Joe the Plumber lives in California. In that state, the qualifications for Medi Cal (state health care for the indigent, funded by Medicaid) is as follows:


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Joe doesn't qualify. Just being unable to work, broke, and in need of an expensive medical procedure to become a contributing member of society isn't enough.
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Sounds like a problem in California, not the rest of the nation. Despite what people like to believe, California doesn't represent all of us. Solution: Leave California.
 
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