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What is the Tea Party? Please explain!

I would like to continue to naively believe that the tea party core agenda is to make the Republican party actually do what it has preached for decades.
- Make serious cuts in government spending, programs, and the debt.

That's pretty ballsy. I mean, cutting entitlements is political insanity, if they pull it off, or move it that direction, it's quite a feat. If they did some real magic and paired reducing entitlements with relatively fair and neutral guidance to get the private sector to honestly take up the slack...well it would be something to celebrate as a libertarian achievement (if it worked).

The rest of the movement I see as less relevant, and in some cases a lot less desirable. Less foreign military involvement is nice, but we seem to be moving that way with Obama for now, so not a huge change there. Immigration - seriously? Such a non-issue it's just thrown in to gain support from the xenophobes. Family values? lol, that's not something any tea partier should want to be acted on by government so it's irrelevant. Lower taxes - I think if debt/spending is tackled, tax reduction is a lot easier, so secondary.
 
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There is no more racism in the tea party movement than there is in the democrat party. To constantlynbrin up racism when talking about us shows these folks as partisan hacks..... You can take your strawmen and your extremist logic and.... Well i'll leave that to your imagination. :shrug:
 
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There is no more racism in the tea party movement than there is in the democrat party.

Did you see any signs at appearances by Democratic Party politicians or official Democratic events that scream of racism?

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1398/slide_1398_20072_large.jpg

even a libertarian coming from the Cato Institute found in 250 tea party signs at a rally that a full one-quarter were personal attacks on Obama and 5% mentioned his race or ethnicity.
 
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Hillary: indians own 711's

Biden: obama is an articulate black man

Obama: racism is typical of white people


You need more?
 
Yankee fans suck. There was one at a Rockies game who tried to get in a fight just because someone poked a little fun at the Yankees. What an ass. Like buying your team to continually win the World Series and in the process overinflate salaries of ball players weren't enough. They gotta try to get in fights because they're the big bad Yankees.

I've heard it said that you can buy the division championship, but you can't buy the World Series.
 
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Did you see any signs at appearances by Democratic Party politicians or official Democratic events that scream of racism?

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1398/slide_1398_20072_large.jpg

even a libertarian coming from the Cato Institute found in 250 tea party signs at a rally that a full one-quarter were personal attacks on Obama and 5% mentioned his race or ethnicity.
I was going to ask you for a link but then I decided to do it myself.

Few signs at tea party rally expressed racially charged anti-Obama themes

It's hard to believe that the Democratic Party is less racist.
 
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Why qualify it with his race. Seriously.

No, see Rev, this is a part of the problem. To claim that any statement about a person that mentions his/her race is racist misunderstands the very idea of racial prejudice. Did you make your statement merely to be contentious, or do you really believe what you wrote? He did not qualify his statement with Obama's race. Had he said "...for a black man", that would be a qualification. An adjective can be, but is not always a qualification. I'm sure you knew that, but are in point-scoring mode.
 
Good evening,

since I'm not American, but from Europe, I would like to ask you to explain to me what the Tea Party actually is. I believe I do not really understand it, and considering the trend in journalism to look for sensations and shrill voices and events, it's a bit hard to know if it does that movement justice.

I've seen reports about obvious radicals at Tea Party events, like people who made shrill polemic comments, like comparing Obama to Hitler, or suggesting he is a Muslim out to destroy the country. Some broad-brushed things Obama did as "socialism", without really defining what they think that is, and why that's always a bad thing. I've also seen reports when people used many labels, from "constitutionalism" over "libertarianism" to "conservatism", but these terms were not defined, so I was not sure I really understand what they mean. I saw when Sarah Palin made rather heated remarks, like "don't retreat, instead reload!", comparing their fight to military action.

I admit that for me, as a European, what I've seen of the Tea Party so far didn't strike me as very likeable, some things I found even ugly. But probably that's mostly just because this movement is alien to me, and I have only seen few sensationalist reports. Also, campaigns are traditionally shriller and more polemic in the US than in Germany, so maybe I have a mild culture shock too. We guys are sometimes too cramped when it comes to politics. So I am honestly interested in your ideas, sentiments and reports.

I assume in case of any relatively spontanous political movement or ralley from any side of the political spectrum, you find these rather shrill elements. But most of the time, they are not representative, and don't really tell you much about the real intentions and complains of that movement. For example, you found quite a few shrill voices and polemics in the anti-Bush and anti-war ralleys, like the Bush-Hitler comparison or the Bush-chimp theme, but that doesn't say much about the general character and concerns of this movement.

So what is the Tea Party? Has it somethin in common with right-wing extremists in Europe? Or is it a good thing, something to bring back enthusiasm to politics, changing it for the better? Do I need to be afraid of the Tea Party, or welcome it?

Probably that is not different in case of the Tea Party. Since I assume there are people here who sympathize with the Tea Party, some maybe even actively involved, I would like to ask you: Can you explain to me, a foreigner, what you believe the Tea Party really, essentially stands for, what you like about it, what you maybe dislike about it? Of course those who disagree with the Tea Party are invited to post their impressions as well. Neutral impressions are just as welcome as polemics.

Looking forward to your replies!

For me, this is a pretty fair starting point of what the legitimate purpose of government is/should be, as well as an explanation of why Obama fits the term socialist.

(Frederic Bastiat)
http://mises.org/books/thelaw.pdf
 
I think there's a few aspects of the Tea Party movement that haven't been mentioned or thought of.

Essentially, it's a movement of paleo-conservative populists to take control of the Republican Party, and specifically take the Republican Party away from the neo-conservatives who previously held control of it.

Remember, the United States only has two major political parties. But that doesn't mean that everyone within one of the parties agrees with everyone else. This is because the two-party system, which naturally occurs because of plurality voting systems, calls for broad platforms. This is unlike the multi-party systems found in Europe and elsewhere, where there are more political parties with stronger party discipline as compared to the U.S., but the political parties form coalitions in order to hold majorities to pass legislation.

So, to use a metaphor that a European may better understand, don't think of it as the Republican Party and the Democratic Party but rather the Republican Coalition of conservatives and the Democratic Coalition of liberals.

So the Republican Coalition is made up of several conservative/rightist factions. Among these are paleo-conservatives, neo-conservatives, libertarians, and religious conservatives. All of these factions vie for control of the Republican Party to some degree, and how well they get along varies from time to time.

For quite some time paleo-conservatives were, for the most part, in control of the Republican Party. Paleo-conservatives have among their core beliefs:
1) economic conservatism: little regulation of businesses and the economy
2) fiscal conservatism: reduction of the national debt and national deficit
3) decentralization of government: "states' rights" advocacy, and reduction of "big government"
4) strong border policy: they are against easy immigration to the United States
5) a non-interventionist foreign policy: they are against interfering in the affairs of other nations, and many want to go so far as to pull out of the United Nations
6) traditional family values: they favor conservative old-fashioned values centered around conservative ideas of family (a married couple of a man and a woman raising their children)

Neo-conservatives, on the other hand, have different values. What makes them conservative, but "neo," is that they essentially favor centralization of government in order to promote their conservative values. They share many essential values with paleo-conservatives, but choose to use the government to promote them, whereas paleo-conservatives aren't as willing to use government interventionism. The core beliefs of neo-conservatives are the following:
1) limit government support to industry: neo-conservatives support using tax revenue to support or bail-out important industries, such as the airline industry or bank industry
2) use of national debt: neo-conservatives are not as fiscally responsible, and by that I mean they do not have such a strict adherence to a balanced budget or reduction of national debt
3) centralization of government: neo-conservatives believe in the use of government programs for conservative ideals
4) soft border policy: neo-conservatives want looser immigration regulations in order to benefit from foreign workers
5) interventionist foreign policy: neo-conservatives are more willing to use diplomacy and the military to promote American interests abroad

Neo-conservatism arose after the Great Depression, and basically applied FDR's principles of politics to conservative values. They came about during the '60's and '70's, ascended during the '80's and '90's, and came to power during GWB's administration.

Look up on YouTube a video from the Daily Show that shows "Governor Bush" debating "President Bush." Effectively, it shows GWB as a governor promoting many paleo-conservative ideals while as president he promoted many neo-conservative ideals.

It was during GWB's administration that many paleo-cons were silent on the intense government interference the neo-cons were doing into areas that traditionally the conservatives were against interfering in. Among these were the No Child Left Behind Act, the airline bailouts after 9/11, the Global War on Terror, wars for regime change in Iraq, and the bailouts GWB did during the burst of the housing market bubble in 2006-07. Many paleo-cons didn't criticize the neo-cons in order to provide a more united front against their opposition from the Democratic Party.

The bailouts of Wall Street was what really re-energized the base of the paleo-cons of the Republican Party. For years, the base voters of the conservative movement had grown up on paleo-conservative beliefs. However, the faction of neo-conservatives took power and went against those ideals. So while the voter base was heavily paleo-conservatives, it was neo-conservative politicians who came into power on their behalf.

So, in many ways, the Tea Party is a faction of paleo-conservative voters who are acting out not only against Democrats and liberals but also the neo-conservatives within their party. While the neo-conservative politicians were willing to use government dollars to support industries advocated by conservatives, paleo-conservative voters don't want government dollars to support any industries, even those advocated by conservatives.

So this is what I see what the Tea Party is all about. Basically a group of paleo-conservative voters who are attempting to make themselves heard by those of their own broad-based party and reassert paleo-conservatism in the Republican Party.

Never hear the term "paleo-conservative" before, but your analysis is pretty close to what I see.
 
It just said that Obama is black and that he is articulate, both of which are true, unless there is a different meaning given by context then it is not a rascist statement.:peace

Let me give you a little more context:

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,"

Joe Biden said Obama was the first black guy to run for president who was a combination of those four things. To take a line from Rush Limbaugh...what about Al Sharpton? He takes showers....
 
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No, see Rev, this is a part of the problem. To claim that any statement about a person that mentions his/her race is racist misunderstands the very idea of racial prejudice. Did you make your statement merely to be contentious, or do you really believe what you wrote? He did not qualify his statement with Obama's race. Had he said "...for a black man", that would be a qualification. An adjective can be, but is not always a qualification. I'm sure you knew that, but are in point-scoring mode.



Are you aware of the quote and youtube video in question or are you in point scoring mode? If it's the latter its 21-0 The greatness that is the Good Reverend. :pimpdaddy:
 
The Tea Party = The Republican Party. Their name became tarnished by their agenda, so instead of changing their agenda they sold it under another name. And that's the kind of people they are.
 
The Tea Party = The Republican Party. Their name became tarnished by their agenda, so instead of changing their agenda they sold it under another name. And that's the kind of people they are.




This is yet another lie. Tell you one thing though.... All your sour grapes has us laughing at you. :thumbs:
 
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This is yet another lie.

Don't insult me like a swing voter. Tea Party = Republican Party. Bought, paid for, packaged, and stamped - a wholly owned subsidiary tool. Go ahead and admit it: The election is over, so it won't cost you anything.

All your sour grapes has us laughing at you. :thumbs:

All your "sore winnerdom" has me smirking at your defensiveness. It's as if you folks can't even enjoy good fortune unless you convince yourselves that your opponents are demoralized by it. I'm sure there's plenty of that for you to find, but I'm sorry that I can't be your supplier: It doesn't impress me that Republicans were able to buy the House of Representatives - I predicted it the day after the Supreme Court's Citizen's United decision. In fact, my prediction only failed in that I thought they would have won the entire Congress, so forgive me if I'm underwhelmed. Chalk it up to "sour grapes" if it makes you feel better.
 
Don't insult me like a swing voter. Tea Party = Republican Party. Bought, paid for, packaged, and stamped - a wholly owned subsidiary tool. Go ahead and admit it: The election is over, so it won't cost you anything.


I'm not the one insulting you, for that you should look within yourself. Sore loser, thats what this is all about. And no, I am a libertarian, sorry, you fail as usual.


All your "sore winnerdom" has me smirking at your defensiveness. It's as if you folks can't even enjoy good fortune unless you convince yourselves that your opponents are demoralized by it. I'm sure there's plenty of that for you to find, but I'm sorry that I can't be your supplier: It doesn't impress me that Republicans were able to buy the House of Representatives - I predicted it the day after the Supreme Court's Citizen's United decision. In fact, my prediction only failed in that I thought they would have won the entire Congress, so forgive me if I'm underwhelmed. Chalk it up to "sour grapes" if it makes you feel better.


See as a tea party movement type, I don't think we "won" yet. We will have won if those elected on the tea party mantra follow through, if not, republican or not, we will vote them out.


As for "buying" the house of representatives, that's another lie. Keep it up, your plummage is in full bloom.
 
The Tea Party Agenda, according to teapartista Michelle Bachmann:

1. Keep Bush taxcuts for the rich, or else, if the rich don't get to keep them make sure the middle class don't get them either.

i would love to see any link you could post where she put it in those terms?

no one disagrees about extending the bush tax cuts for the middle class; Republicans (and half of the Democrat Party) simply don't think that we should raise taxes on employers at a time of high unemployment, and the Tea Party agrees.

2. Complete repeal of all the benefits of "Obamacare."

complete repeal of every part of Obamacare followed by it's replacement by measures that are actually benefits. if i give you a hug and then shoot you in the face, opposing that action does not mean that you are against hugs

3. Immigration reform

The Tea Party is only concerned with "immigration" but not punishment to the employers who illicitly hire undocumented workers. Their definition of immigration reform is keep the immigration status quo, and make sure there is no pathwway to citizenship.

actually the Tea Party is generally fine with punishing employers as well as illegal border-invaders. their definition of immigration reform is going to be measures that secures the border, decentralizes enforcement (such as Arizona's widely popular law), punishes employers (such as Oklahoma's), and yes, doesn't offer amnesty.

4. No energy regulation.

certainly no cap and tax that would wipe out massive amounts of jobs.

For energy regulation, they'd rather have Rev's antique lightbulbs on sale at wal mart than get America off foreign oil.

actually Tea Partiers also tend to support an 'all of the above' energy policy, in which we invest in nuclear where that is cost-efficient, and open Alaska and our coasts to drilling. if we want to reduce our dependence on foriegn oil, the common sense solution is to take advantage of our own, not waste hundreds of billions and lose millions of jobs trying to figure out how to make cars run off windmills.

Sounds like a really patriotic agenda

that it is. you will note at Tea Party rallies there is usually large numbers of people waving flags, and the crowd constantly breaks out into chants of "USA, USA", and so forth. they are people reading the founders and studying the Constitution. compare that to any (for example) anti-war rally of the last 5 years.

I'm just glad the Republicans won the house this time around, effectively handing Obama and the Democrats the government in 2012.

:lol: okay, we shall see :)

but i don't see Obamacare suddenly becoming a panacea, Americans suddenly falling back in love with deficit spending, Cap-and-Tax suddenly becoming popular, or a booming economic recovery on the horizon.
 
It just said that Obama is black and that he is articulate, both of which are true, unless there is a different meaning given by context then it is not a rascist statement.:peace
That wasn't an exact quote from Biden. I don't remember his exact words, but he ended up apologizing to Obama.
 
does that mean he's clean and doesn't speak that "negro talk" unless he wants to?

(with credit to Harry Reid)
 
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