What is the solution to mass shootings in the United States?

[shrubnose]

Doing something just because won't solve it eithe

Obviously we need to do things that will solve the problem,[not make it worse

 

[CLAX1911]

No,my solutionis to build a nation-wide system of mental-health facilities and train and hire proressionals to staff twehem,we also need to improve police communications at all levels.

well I'm not sure what good that would do to stop mass shootings but I can get behind reforming mental health treatment.

 

[shrubnose]

This is a reasonable answer because you, unlike many others, use the phrase "part of the solution". Many act like 1 thing will fix it. It won't.

This is a complex problem.It will take a lot of work and many answers.

 

[shrubnose]

So tell us what the thing is

.[/QUOTEwid]


This is a complex problem.

1st we need a nation-wide mental health-care system in the USA,2ND we need better communication between law-enforcement at all levels.

 

[shrubnose]

So we should quit piddling with sacred cows

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Sacred cows won't solve this problem.ewill wastingright no time talking about it.Me-I have other things to do right now,we don't have a mass-shooting problem here,but we do have mighty cold weather to deal with.

 

[shrubnose]

well I'm not sure what good that would do to stop mass shootings but I can get behind reforming mental health treatment

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People who are found to be a threat would be denied access to firearms,treated and watched
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[shrubnose]

well I'm not sure what good that would do to stop mass shootings but I can get behind reforming mental health treatment.

wi

We need to put people in congress who will deal with this problem,not ignore it.

 

[CLAX1911]

People who are found to be a threat would be denied access to firearms,treated and watched
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Only if they first seek treatment.

 

[CLAX1911]

wi

We need to put people in congress who will deal with this problem,not ignore it.

Not a single congressman is interested and many of them have been there for years.

 

[shrubnose]

Not a single congressman is interested and many of them have been there for years

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Obviously they need to be replaced,eh?

 

[shrubnose]

]We don't know if it works we never tried it

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e'll


That's something like:We'll never know if it works if we don't try it,eh?

 

[shrubnose]

This is a reasonable answer because you, unlike many others, use the phrase "part of the solution". Many act like 1 thing will fix it. It

won't.

Many problems have more than 1solution-you can replace spark plugs or you can clean and regap the old ones.

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[shrubnose]

]So tell us what the thing is

[/B].

wid
The USA needs to build a nation-wide,effective mental health-care system

 

[CLAX1911]

Obviously they need to be replaced,eh?

tell that to the people that vote for them.

 

[CLAX1911]

e'll


That's something like:We'll never know if it works if we don't try it,eh?

Yes..

 

[shrubnose]

tell that to the people that vote for them.

I did-some of them are on this forum.

 

[ElvisWorthing]

The one really effective answer is a constitutional amendment

1) repealing the existing second amendment to the US constitution.

2) replacing it with an amendment that places exceptionally strict rules for firearms. Except for the police and military a ban on pistols, revolvers, semi automatic weapons, and automatic weapons. Hunting rifles and non-automatic shotguns would be permitted.

 

[shrubnose]

Yes.

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When we look at how many people(Many of them young children) have died in mass shootings I think that we can agree that we need to try everything that is likely to work.I

 

[OldFatGuy]

Then cops should provide all gun store owners with the names of people who are mentally unstable, and then it should be up to the store owner if he wants to sell that person a gun or not, and whether he wants to be partially responsible for the murder of 17 school kids

Sure, that will work, as soon as you work out the due process. "Duh, dat kid is unstable, he burns ant hills, the next one is unstable, he likes goils, and that one, he thinks cops like jelly donuts. Every one knows were chocolate glazed creme filled."

 

[OldFatGuy]

Believe it or not that was written in the law in 1968 when the c federal firearms license was created.

Not quite. Read the law. Only those certified by an authorized and certified psychiatrist as in treatment, contrary to Dr. patient confidentiality, which no doctor can be forced to betray by Superem Court decisions as well as individual state laws.

 

[OldFatGuy]

Anyone who gives a mentally ill person a firearm is responsible for the results.

Not after mom who supplied the rifle is the first murder victim.

 

[VanceMack]

There are database records going back to 1982 documenting the Mass shooters.
98 Incidents
26 Obtained weapons illegally
28 Incidents occurred at workplace. 16 at schools. (in 36 years)
81 had previously identified mental health concerns that they were receiving or had received care for.
63 shootings involved handguns as the primary weapon/weapons
Only 19 of the mass shooters were 25 or younger.
The two youngest...acting together...were 13 and 11. Another pair was 15 and 16.

So what causes all of it. IMO, a general devaluing of life. You cant blame it on access to health care...those that needed it had access.

Looking at shootings in a bubble you might say "guns are the problem". I think there is certainly room for a dialogue regarding access to firearms. But...while the total number of dead in the 36 year span of mass shootings is tragic, the fact is that as per the FBI average stats, during a 36 year span there have been 26,200 instances of parents killing their own children. I think that requires us to look at a bigger picture. Which is NOT to say we shouldnt examine ways to make firearm ownership safer and ways to keep firearms out of the hands of the dangerously mentally ill. But it is an indicator that the problem is bigger than just access to guns and a bunch of people with poor coping skills.

 

[shrubnose]

Not after mom who supplied the rifle is the first murder victim.

You're saying that dead people can't be responsible,eh?

 

[shrubnose]

N

ot quite. Read the law. Only those certified by an authorized and certified psychiatrist as in treatment, contrary to Dr. patient confidentiality, which no doctor can be forced to betray by Superem Court decisions as well as individual state laws

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We must do whatever it takes to stop mass shootings.

 

[DDD]

Yeah, Minority Report. The movie sucked. A shameful and shameless destruction of a Philip K. Dick story.

Yeah, "Lost in Translation." The movie sucked. A shameful and shameless destruction of Bill Murray's life story of a comedian actor.