What is the root cause of the mess in Ferguson?

[zimmer]

The Root Cause:

90% of blacks have voted Demokrat for decades.
This block of voters has been agitated by the likes of Sharpton, Jackson, Holder, Wright, Obama, Farrakhan and other less public agitators... The Viles... for decades.

I'd venture more than 99% of the rioters in Ferguson are black. Would you want to be a white person in that mess?

Leadership matters, and you reap what you sow.
The Viles have sown unrest and bitterness for decades, and this is the fruit of their labors.

If Martin Luther King types had been leading black Americans for decades, I would guess things would be a whole lot different, but that is not what has happened for the past decades. So we get Ferguson.

Meanwhile, 94% of homicides of black men are caused by blacks. Where is the meaningful response by black leadership about this? It doesn't exist. Why I wonder?

Not really... when Obama tells blacks they have to take care of their children, and Jackson says "someone should cut his nuts out", you have a good picture of what type of leadership is at the helm of black America.

So... what is the root cause of Ferguson.

BTW... I'm not the topic, the root cause of Ferguson is... so offer your views as to The Root Cause.

 

[Jerry]

The Root Cause:

90% of blacks have voted Demokrat for decades.

I think you just gave yourself the best answer possible, if you're clever enough to see it

 

[Jango]

The Root Cause:

90% of blacks have voted Demokrat for decades.
This block of voters has been agitated by the likes of Sharpton, Jackson, Holder, Wright, Obama, Farrakhan and other less public agitators... The Viles... for decades.

I'd venture more than 99% of the rioters in Ferguson are black. Would you want to be a white person in that mess?

Leadership matters, and you reap what you sow.
The Viles have sown unrest and bitterness for decades, and this is the fruit of their labors.

If Martin Luther King types had been leading black Americans for decades, I would guess things would be a whole lot different, but that is not what has happened for the past decades. So we get Ferguson.

Meanwhile, 94% of homicides of black men are caused by blacks. Where is the meaningful response by black leadership about this? It doesn't exist. Why I wonder?

Not really... when Obama tells blacks they have to take care of their children, and Jackson says "someone should cut his nuts out", you have a good picture of what type of leadership is at the helm of black America.

So... what is the root cause of Ferguson.

BTW... I'm not the topic, the root cause of Ferguson is... so offer your views as to The Root Cause.

I don't believe that there is a singular root cause. To me, there is a combination of factors, both tangible and intangible, of which, are History, poverty, propaganda, racism, anger, hatred, distrust, unproportionate and indiscriminate policing and an unbalanced legal system, cultural changes and demographics, opportunism, etc etc. Complex situations like this do not have simple beginnings, no matter what Rush Limbaugh or Alex Jones say.

 

[zimmer]

I don't believe that there is a singular root cause. To me, there is a combination of factors, both tangible and intangible, of which, are History, poverty, propaganda, racism, anger, hatred, distrust, unproportionate and indiscriminate policing and an unbalanced legal system, cultural changes and demographics, opportunism, etc etc. Complex situations like this do not have simple beginnings, no matter what Rush Limbaugh or Alex Jones say.

The root cause of Ferguson is due to leadership. Put Martin Luther King types in the place of The Viles and you have a different result. Guaranteed. The Viles have agitated for the anger, racism, distrust... and Ferguson is the fruit of their labors

As for poverty... that is leadership too. Demokrats have said they would help black America for decades... but they've made things significantly worse with their "help.
Demokrat run cities are a mess.

Here is what sanity looks like on race. Don't blame others for the problems you create:

Republican Presidential Primaries, South Carolina Debate, 2000

KING: Alan?

KEYES: I know everybody thinks that this doing some favor to a racial group, but if our police and enforcement people have the experience that a given crime is disproportionately being committed by folks from a given ethnic group, we are now going to pass a law that says you can't notice that?

I -- I...

KING: But they haven't done the crime yet.

KEYES: Excuse me, no, no. All I'm saying is we're going to pass a law and we're going to enforce a law that says that we can't notice the characteristics of individuals who commit crimes and develop profiles to help folks pursue the solving of crimes based on our experience.

Experience by the way is not prejudice. Prejudice is an opinion you form apart from experience, prior to experience. An opinion formed based on experience is not prejudice. It is judgment. And I think our law enforcement officers ought to be able to...

KING: You wouldn't mind being stopped by a car if there was a high prevalence of...

KEYES: You know the person I would blame for that? If there are black folks out there disproportionately committing certain kinds of crime, my parents raised me to know that I represent the race in every thing I do. And I wish that everybody would take that attitude and stop committing crimes and doing things that bring a bad reputation on to people.

KING: But if you were stopped...

KEYES: That's what I resent.

KING: ... if you were stopped you wouldn't be angry?

KEYES: I just told you who I would be angry at.

and then Ben Carson yesterday:

"I actually believe that things were better before this president was elected. And I think that things have gotten worse because of his unusual emphasis [on race]" he stated.

Carson cited Obama's criticism of the police in the Henry Louis Gates incident and his remarks that his son would look like Trayvon Martin and accused the president and other progressives of trying to "manipulate, particularly minority communities to make them feel that they are victims." And that the president "absolutely" plays the race card,

That manipulation has been happening for decades. It causes anger and unrest. The Viles use Obama's ploy of blaming everyone else except themselves.

 

[CMPancake]

The root cause of Ferguson is due to leadership. Put Martin Luther King types in the place of The Viles and you have a different result. Guaranteed. The Viles have agitated for the anger, racism, distrust... and Ferguson is the fruit of their labors

As for poverty... that is leadership too. Demokrats have said they would help black America for decades... but they've made things significantly worse with their "help.
Demokrat run cities are a mess.

Let's use your logic for a second to conclude if Leadership is at fault here or not. Let's look at the leadership in the State of Missouri by Public Office.

Governor: Jay Nixon (Democrat)

Senators: Claire McCaskill (Democrat) Roy Blunt (Republican)

Democratic Congressmen: Two

Republican Congressmen: Six

You have six Republicans in Congress for the state of Missouri and a Senator. With the fact that in the 2012 Presidential election the Republicans won the state over Barrack Obama we can safely infer the state of Missouri is soundly Republican.

Now with your logic, the idea that leadership is to blame for a Non-Indictment that lead to a riot? Why didn't Republican Leadership speak to their constituents and prevent them from rioting and arson?

Could we blame Republicans for this riot? After all, they do hold a majority in the house and senate of the state? This is a thought process after all using the same logic you used to attack Barrack Obama, Holder, Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson. (Well sorta your logic, I didn't blame the majority of black Americans for voting Democrat like yourself.)

 

[Jango]

The root cause of Ferguson is due to leadership. Put Martin Luther King types in the place of The Viles and you have a different result. Guaranteed. The Viles have agitated for the anger, racism, distrust... and Ferguson is the fruit of their labors

As for poverty... that is leadership too. Demokrats have said they would help black America for decades... but they've made things significantly worse with their "help.
Demokrat run cities are a mess.

If you knew the root cause then why start a thread asking people what they thought the root cause supposedly is, what, to pull out the regurgitated e-mail chain partisan talking points? Yeah, I hear your propaganda and dismiss it out of hand. Why? Because it is propaganda. You're trying to pigeonhole a complex event like a toddler that can't understand for the life of it why the blue square toy block won't fit in the yellow circle slot. Life isn't as simple as you posit. Now, come at me with some more of Limbaugh's greatest hits while higher than a kite on pain meds.

Educating the Ignorant

 

[Kobie]

Everything bad is the fault of The Left. Everybody knows that.

 

[zimmer]

Let's use your logic for a second to conclude if Leadership is at fault here or not. Let's look at the leadership in the State of Missouri by Public Office.

Governor: Jay Nixon (Democrat)

Senators: Claire McCaskill (Democrat) Roy Blunt (Republican)

Democratic Congressmen: Two

Republican Congressmen: Six

You have six Republicans in Congress for the state of Missouri and a Senator. With the fact that in the 2012 Presidential election the Republicans won the state over Barrack Obama we can safely infer the state of Missouri is soundly Republican.

Now with your logic, the idea that leadership is to blame for a Non-Indictment that lead to a riot? Why didn't Republican Leadership speak to their constituents and prevent them from rioting and arson?

Could we blame Republicans for this riot? After all, they do hold a majority in the house and senate of the state? This is a thought process after all using the same logic you used to attack Barrack Obama, Holder, Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson. (Well sorta your logic, I didn't blame the majority of black Americans for voting Democrat like yourself.)

Very flimsy, but at least you tried.

This is a decades old problem, and the leaders of the black community during the past decades are the Sharpton's, Wright's, Jacksons, Holders, Obama's, Farrakhan's and other lower profile agitators.

You reap what you sow, and The Viles have sown agitation and anger. This is the fruit of their labor.

It wouldn't be possible to make this claim, except for the fact, 90% of blacks have voted for Demokrats for decades, despite that party and their "programs" failing them miserably.

If Martin Luther King, Ben Carlson, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Alan Keyes, and people of their kind had been leading for decades, there would be a different result.

Leadership matters, and black America has had tragically awful leadership. Ferguson is yet another example of how tragic and awful.

 

[Jango]

Very flimsy, but at least you tried.

This is a decades old problem, and the leaders of the black community during the past decades are the Sharpton's, Wright's, Jacksons, Holders, Obama's, Farrakhan's and other lower profile agitators.

You reap what you sow, and The Viles have sown agitation and anger. This is the fruit of their labor.

It wouldn't be possible to make this claim, except for the fact, 90% of blacks have voted for Demokrats for decades, despite that party and their "programs" failing them miserably.

Perhaps when the cameras are rolling, but you're spreading propaganda again. You're entirely dismissing all of the on-the-ground 24/7/365 leaders like those that wear the cloth or work in the shelters or kitchens, those who work in inner city schools. Don't you think it is time to grow up?

 

[Kobie]

Alan Keyes! :lamo

 

[spud_meister]

Silly Zimmer, mistaking a symptom for a cause. The root problem is racial inequality.

 

[CMPancake]

Very flimsy, but at least you tried.

This is a decades old problem, and the leaders of the black community during the past decades are the Sharpton's, Wright's, Jacksons, Holders, Obama's, Farrakhan's and other lower profile agitators.

You reap what you sow, and The Viles have sown agitation and anger. This is the fruit of their labor.

It wouldn't be possible to make this claim, except for the fact, 90% of blacks have voted for Demokrats for decades, despite that party and their "programs" failing them miserably.

Once again you fail to see the point by repeating everything you wrote before. The state of Missouri votes largely Republican, they elected Republican leaders so it is very safe to assume the rioters in Ferguson are Republican. I used election results instead of their skin color to predict the political affiliations of a bunch of criminals that are torching and robbing property. Yet that is all an aside and not the point I'm making. What I am saying is that looking at this as red/blue left/right doesn't show us the real issue or the solutions. Because if you pin the core of the current issue in Ferguson so ambiguously as Republican and Democrat it can very easily go both ways.

 

[zimmer]

If you knew the root cause then why start a thread asking people what they thought the root cause supposedly is, what, to pull out the regurgitated e-mail chain partisan talking points? Yeah, I hear your propaganda and dismiss it out of hand. Why? Because it is propaganda. You're trying to pigeonhole a complex event like a toddler that can't understand for the life of it why the blue square toy block won't fit in the yellow circle slot. Life isn't as simple as you posit. Now, come at me with some more of Limbaugh's greatest hits while higher than a kite on pain meds.

Why ask about the cause? Because it's a forum about political discussion, and this is a burning issue (no pun intended). I offered my view... but you...

Ahh did not like my answer, and you couldn't resist making it personal... I understand. It is frustrating for Demokrats, I understand. But there are root causes to everything, and in this instance it's decades of vile leadership.

As for partisan talking points... please show me where anyone in the press or media has stated what I have. Just do it. I haven't seen it, but Ben Carson did claim Obama has shown an "unusual emphasis" on race.

That's not unusual for Obama or any of the other viles. It's what they do... every day they have the chance. They agitate.

 

[zimmer]

Once again you fail to see the point by repeating everything you wrote before. The state of Missouri votes largely Republican, they elected Republican leaders so it is very safe to assume the rioters in Ferguson are Republican.

You see, this is why Gruber is so very valuable.
Demokrats just fail to look at the facts that really matter. The area of Ferguson is largely black.

In the 2010 census, 29.3% were White and 67.4% were African American.

I used election results instead of their skin color to predict the political affiliations of a bunch of criminals that are torching and robbing property. Yet that is all an aside and not the point I'm making. What I am saying is that looking at this as red/blue left/right doesn't show us the real issue or the solutions. Because if you pin the core of the current issue in Ferguson so ambiguously as Republican and Democrat it can very easily go both ways.

Well, in this case you can use skin color because:

90% of blacks vote Demokrat.
I'd venture 100% of the rioters are black (as noted earlier, would a white person want to be caught up in that mess?)
The main leaders of blacks for decades has been The Viles.

So it is both a black and Demokrat created problem.

If the voting bloc of blacks was more diverse, I couldn't make that claim, but as it is not diverse, and it has not been diverse for decades... so... one can claim that bad leadership has caused Ferguson. Those leaders/agitators are both black and Demokrats.

The real issue is bad leadership. One party rule and dominated by The Viles.

 

[zimmer]

Silly Zimmer, mistaking a symptom for a cause. The root problem is racial inequality.

These people live in the greatest country in the world. They have opportunity to do whatever the hell they want, and they have in many instances advantages to exploit others do not have, but that is not the message from their leadership. The message instead is from a viewpoint of agitation, and has been so for decades.

You sow agitation for that long and you get Fergusons.

 

[CMPancake]

You see, this is why Gruber is so very valuable.
Demokrats just fail to look at the facts that really matter. The area of Ferguson is largely black.



Well, in this case it does because:

90% of blacks vote Demokrat.
I'd venture 100% of the rioters are black (as noted earlier, would a white person want to be caught up in that mess?)
The main leaders of blacks for decades has been The Viles.

So it is both a black and Demokrat created problem.

If the voting bloc of blacks was more diverse, I couldn't make that claim, but as it is not diverse, and it has not been diverse for decades... one can claim that bad leadership has caused Ferguson. Those leaders/agitators are both black and Demokrats.

This is why I said discussing issues with you is completely pointless. Again you can't see beyond your own irrational hatred of any ideology that doesn't resemble your own and continue bringing up the same talking points over and and over again. This isn't an issue of Republicans/Democrats, quit trying to make it so.

 

[shrubnose]

The root cause of the mess in Ferguson is that a White cop was terrified that an 18-year old Black male was going to whip his butt so he emptied his sidearm in that young man.

He saw that he couldn't control the young man physically so he let his gun do his talking.

We will hear a lot more about this sad case.

 

[Buck Ewer]

The Root Cause:

90% of blacks have voted Demokrat for decades.
This block of voters has been agitated by the likes of Sharpton, Jackson, Holder, Wright, Obama, Farrakhan and other less public agitators... The Viles... for decades.

I'd venture more than 99% of the rioters in Ferguson are black. Would you want to be a white person in that mess?

Leadership matters, and you reap what you sow.
The Viles have sown unrest and bitterness for decades, and this is the fruit of their labors.

If Martin Luther King types had been leading black Americans for decades, I would guess things would be a whole lot different, but that is not what has happened for the past decades. So we get Ferguson.

Meanwhile, 94% of homicides of black men are caused by blacks. Where is the meaningful response by black leadership about this? It doesn't exist. Why I wonder?

Not really... when Obama tells blacks they have to take care of their children, and Jackson says "someone should cut his nuts out", you have a good picture of what type of leadership is at the helm of black America.

So... what is the root cause of Ferguson.

BTW... I'm not the topic, the root cause of Ferguson is... so offer your views as to The Root Cause.

Wrong ...
The mess in Ferguson is because a white cop murdered an unarmed black kid and is getting away with it...AS HE KNEW HE WOULD WITHOUT EVEN A TRIAL.


"A riot is the language of the unheard." MLK

 

[Jango]

Why ask about the cause? Because it's a forum about political discussion, and this is a burning issue (no pun intended). I offered my view... but you...

Ahh did not like my answer, and you couldn't resist making it personal... I understand. It is frustrating for Demokrats, I understand. But there are root causes to everything, and in this instance it's decades of vile leadership.

As for partisan talking points... please show me where anyone in the press or media has stated what I have. Just do it. I haven't seen it, but Ben Carson did claim Obama has shown an "unusual emphasis" on race.

That's not unusual for Obama or any of the other viles. It's what they do... every day they have the chance. They agitate.

1) This thread was never meant to be a discussion thread. It was meant for you to try and spread propaganda whenever someone deviates outside of your partisan worldview.

2) I take partisanship and propaganda personally, yes I do, and so should you, as those two detriments have costed an untold amount of blood and treasure in our species existence.

3) Your idols spiel the same context -- no matter the problem, it is because of the left. That's extreme thinking not prone to logic.

4) And so do you and those who support your ideology.

 

[zimmer]

This is why I said discussing issues with you is completely pointless. Again you can't see beyond your own irrational hatred of any ideology that doesn't resemble your own and continue bringing up the same talking points over and and over again. This isn't an issue of Republicans/Democrats, quit trying to make it so.

ROTFLOL...

You make several weak points, and I smash them out of the park, correcting your false analogies.

Now you get angry.

Demokrats at every turn smash Republicans on race, though it is the R's who have done more to aid blacks than anyone.

Demokrats have used race, have agitated, and have 90% of the black vote. The Demokrat programs have done much harm, yet the agitation continues.

It's a leadership problem which causes riots like Ferguson, and Demokrats, the race baiters, The Viles I pointed out have been injecting poison into that 90% for decades.

This is the result of bad leaders, and bad leadership. Demokrats own it. 90% for decades under abysmal leadership is the root cause.

Leadership matters.
Character matters.

Yes, a white man shot a black thief. The records released show they made the right decision.

[h=1]Legal scholars praise Ferguson grand jury for fairness beyond the norm[/h]

Legal experts across the country agree that while the process that led to a grand jury’s decision not to indict Officer Darren Wilson for killing Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, was unusual, it was not unfair. Rather if it was anything unusual, it was in its fairness and openness.
...St. Louis county prosecutor Robert McCulloch sought unbiased justice in presenting the jury with every piece of evidence and then making that evidence public.
“It was the most thorough grand jury investigation that I’ve ever heard of,” said Stephen Saltzburg, a professor of law at George Washington University Law School.

Read more: Legal scholars praise Ferguson grand jury for fairness beyond the norm - Washington Times
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

I believe the prosecutor is a Democrat.

 

[zimmer]

1) This thread was never meant to be a discussion thread. It was meant for you to try and spread propaganda whenever someone deviates outside of your partisan worldview.

It is a discussion thread. I opened the door to opinion about the root cause of Ferguson. And, I offered my view, and have defended it. If someone comes up with a plausible opinion,I'll consider it. I'm open minded. That's how one moves from being a Demokrat to Conservative.

Your post did none of it. It was an unserious attempt to refute the facts and statistics.

2) I take partisanship and propaganda personally,

Yes, Demokrats are experts at propaganda. Gruber revealed how seriously they take it, and how the press will disperse it.

3) Your idols spiel the same context -- no matter the problem, it is because of the left. That's extreme thinking not prone to logic.

Socialist legislation is the cause of much misery in the world. I am not for creating more of it, but defeating it. I used to be a Demokrat, but years of worldwide travel, business had me change my mind over many years.

The left is a problem, and in the case of Ferguson, it's the leadership of decades that has agitated this monolithic voting bloc.

4) And so do you and those who support your ideology.

Once again, I was a Demokrat, but one with an open mind. I still have an open mind, but there has been nothing to show me a way back to the Demokrat party. In fact, they prove with every passing day that I made the correct decisions. Demokrats policies are destructive, and the leadership of black America is as well.

 

[zimmer]

Wrong ...
The mess in Ferguson is because a white cop murdered an unarmed black kid and is getting away with it...AS HE KNEW HE WOULD WITHOUT EVEN A TRIAL.


"A riot is the language of the unheard." MLK

So sad. Really... so very sad.

Decades of responsible leadership devoid of race baiting as a business model would have lead the public down a different road.

 

[spud_meister]

These people live in the greatest country in the world. They have opportunity to do whatever the hell they want, and they have in many instances advantages to exploit others do not have, but that is not the message from their leadership. The message instead is from a viewpoint of agitation, and has been so for decades.

You sow agitation for that long and you get Fergusons.

Arsehole leaders never rise to power if there isn't an issue for them to rise to power on. Racial inequality is the reason the likes of Sharpton and Jackson were able to become leaders in the first place. They're just another symptom.

 

[ocean515]

The Root Cause:

90% of blacks have voted Demokrat for decades.
This block of voters has been agitated by the likes of Sharpton, Jackson, Holder, Wright, Obama, Farrakhan and other less public agitators... The Viles... for decades.

I'd venture more than 99% of the rioters in Ferguson are black. Would you want to be a white person in that mess?

Leadership matters, and you reap what you sow.
The Viles have sown unrest and bitterness for decades, and this is the fruit of their labors.

If Martin Luther King types had been leading black Americans for decades, I would guess things would be a whole lot different, but that is not what has happened for the past decades. So we get Ferguson.

Meanwhile, 94% of homicides of black men are caused by blacks. Where is the meaningful response by black leadership about this? It doesn't exist. Why I wonder?

Not really... when Obama tells blacks they have to take care of their children, and Jackson says "someone should cut his nuts out", you have a good picture of what type of leadership is at the helm of black America.

So... what is the root cause of Ferguson.

BTW... I'm not the topic, the root cause of Ferguson is... so offer your views as to The Root Cause.

The root cause, IMO, is the cascade of unintended consequences when people sought to assuage the past with assumptions people can't achieve a future without their help. This has resulted in a atmosphere of dependence rather than self determination.

Once dependence is established, any threat to what has become depended on is a threat to survival, which will always be met with a fight or flight response.

 

[Jango]

It is a discussion thread. I opened the door to opinion about the root cause of Ferguson. And, I offered my view, and have defended it. If someone comes up with a plausible opinion,I'll consider it. I'm open minded. That's how one moves from being a Demokrat to Conservative.

Your post did none of it. It was an unserious attempt to refute the facts and statistics.


Yes, Demokrats are experts at propaganda. Gruber revealed how seriously they take it, and how the press will disperse it.


Socialist legislation is the cause of much misery in the world. I am not for creating more of it, but defeating it. I used to be a Demokrat, but years of worldwide travel, business had me change my mind over many years.

The left is a problem, and in the case of Ferguson, it's the leadership of decades that has agitated this monolithic voting bloc.


Once again, I was a Demokrat, but one with an open mind. I still have an open mind, but there has been nothing to show me a way back to the Demokrat party. In fact, they prove with every passing day that I made the correct decisions. Demokrats policies are destructive, and the leadership of black America is as well.

No, you are not open minded. Not even in the same ZIP code, man. But if you want to see an example of open-mindedness on this forum, look at my posting history.