what is the real reason for Republican Hate?

[Geo Patric]

Obama supporters have been complaining for years that the Republican opposition is being dishonest in its criticisms of him, particularly in the arena of Healthcare. Seems there is at least one conservative republican who agrees. Former WY Sen. Alan Simpson characterizes Republican motivation as "Let's forget what we need to do and see if we can stick it to the democrats. . . or stick it to the president"

he seems dispirited: "Nothing makes sense to me anymore".

see, he is having problems with the republicans opposition to the 'mandate' when, in fact, that mandate was inserted to salve republican animosity to the single payer program the Democrats proposed. They did this because it was originally a republican idea, written by a very conservative economist at the Wharton School Of economics, proposed a decade ago by John Chaffee (D-R.I) with Robt Bennert (R-UT) and widely supported... by Lauch Faircloth (R-NC), Charles Grassley (R-IA), Ted Stevens (R-AK), Richard Lugar (R-IN) and Orin Hatch (R-UT) as well as the Heritage Foundation who would later (2005) send a representative to the signing of the bill featureing such a mandate crafted by Mitt Romney for HIS state. It was also supported by the well known socialist Newt Gingrigh as well as the above mentioned Alan Simpson and ... this last a mentor to m Parasailin....

so, when we Libs say that there is something other than m. Obama's policies that the rabid right are railing over, there is at least a little evidence to support it.

geo.

 

[CriticalThought]

Hate is anger and fear. The Republicans are angry that Obama won in 2008 and are afraid that his policies might actually work. I don't even like Obama and its apparent to me that Republicans have an unhealthy aversion to him.

 

[OscarB63]

Hate is anger and fear. The Republicans are angry that Obama won in 2008 and are afraid that his policies might actually work. I don't even like Obama and its apparent to me that Republicans have an unhealthy aversion to him.

really? we've had 3 years of his policies and they haven't worked yet. how long must we wait?

 

[Geo Patric]

Hate is anger and fear. The Republicans are angry that Obama won in 2008 and are afraid that his policies might actually work. I don't even like Obama and its apparent to me that Republicans have an unhealthy aversion to him.

an honest opponent. a rare thing.

geo.

 

[tessaesque]

I think I've laid out some pretty valid reasons why I do not endorse or plan to vote for Obama. None of it has to do with his skin, all of it has to do with his personality, his methodology, and the way he's ordered his priorities.

 

[CriticalThought]

I think I've laid out some pretty valid reasons why I do not endorse or plan to vote for Obama. None of it has to do with his skin, all of it has to do with his personality, his methodology, and the way he's ordered his priorities.

I have to agree with the ordering of priorities. That is what lead to his ass whopping in the Mid Term elections. He should have focused more on job creation.

As far as personality and methodology, that just seems kind of trite. That isn't really any different than liberals making fun of George W.'s gung ho personality.

I think George W. and Obama are incredibly similar in their methodology. They fling crap at the wall and see what sticks. There isn't anything really sophisticated about it.

 

[lpast]

Hate is anger and fear. The Republicans are angry that Obama won in 2008 and are afraid that his policies might actually work. I don't even like Obama and its apparent to me that Republicans have an unhealthy aversion to him.

heh way to late for that line...his policies have already dreadfully failed in every category

 

[tessaesque]

I have to agree with the ordering of priorities. That is what lead to his ass whopping in the Mid Term elections. He should have focused more on job creation.

As far as personality and methodology, that just seems kind of trite. That isn't really any different than liberals making fun of George W.'s gung ho personality.

I think George W. and Obama are incredibly similar in their methodology. They fling crap at the wall and see what sticks. There isn't anything really sophisticated about it.

Personality: He has flat out told the republicans to "sit down and shut up" while he and the dems "fix what the republicans broke". He went to El Paso (a border town littered with violence on a weekly basis) and made jokes mocking demands for better border security. He flat out refused to visit areas of Texas blacked out by wildfires and went to a fund raiser instead. He goes to Ireland and chats up his Irish roots while the legislature still can't come to terms on a budget (after 2.5 years). He makes condescending remarks towards the side of the electorate that doesn't agree with him (but only when he thinks it's off the record). I question the judgment of a man who behaves in this manner. I don't like it when any politician does it and if he wants to keep repeating the same trite charge that he's just fixing what he inherited then he needs to be an adult and do it.

Methodology. It seems to me that Obama waits, and waits, and waits to make decisions. Perhaps he is really and truly trying to make the best decision, but often times it seems mighty coincidental that his decisions happen to align pretty well with polling numbers. We support Libya, he makes speeches and grandstands about us being there. Popularity for Libya wanes and the press secretary goes silent on it. Osama's dead and everybody's happy? Lots of talking. People start to get a little irritated at the constant variants in the story, everything goes silent. Also, I'll classify his constant campaigning under methodology. He's the sitting president and very few sitting presidents lose re-election. Instead of fund raisers and promotional visits all over the globe he should be here, leading the charge on cuts and budgets and jobs.

 

[zimmer]

Obama supporters have been complaining for years that the Republican opposition is being dishonest in its criticisms of him, particularly in the arena of Healthcare.

How about a link or two? And...

Watch the following and tell me who is dishonest:


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[Geo Patric]

Hate is anger and fear. The Republicans are angry that Obama won in 2008 and are afraid that his policies might actually work. I don't even like Obama and its apparent to me that Republicans have an unhealthy aversion to him.

and what policies would those be?

Maybe it was his “takeover of the auto industry”?

The Treasury provided $85 billion of commitments to the auto industry, which included $64 billion to GM and Chrysler, according to the Congressional Budget Office

Chrysler has repaid $7.6 billion in U.S. and Canadian government loans, and Fiat SpA (F) announced yesterday that it plans to buy the U.S. government’s remaining stake in the Auburn Hill, Michigan-based automaker by the end of 2011, bringing its share to 57 percent.

Paid off… two years early, mind you.

GM raised more than $23 billion selling common and preferred stock in its initial public offering in November.

The resurgence of Chrysler and General Motors Co. (GM) since both emerged from bankruptcy in 2009 has saved the jobs of thousands of people at the automakers,

- Courtesy Bloomberg

Maybe it is the $200m to pay off student loans through (*(GASP*) tax refunds?

Or the change in war planning… getting us out of Iraq (saving BILLIONS a year) and focusing on AQ in Pakistan rather than nation building in Afghanistan? Not that THAT has had much result.

Maybe his energy policy? Less oil and most sustainables? Google’s investment of $168m in california solar development on top of a previous $250m in sustainable energy… probably had nothing to do with the new emphasis. That Obama’s new Commerce Secretary, John Bryce came to his position from of Bright Source Ca, a major recipient of Google investment and developers of solar alternatives having left his position as CEO of Edison, the nation's largest investor and developer in alternative energy … nah.. THAT couldn’t have had anything to do with it.

His insistence that the ISRAELIS take responsibility for peace and not depend on our negotiating the Palestinians into submission?

Dunno… just what policies do you mean?

geo.

 

[ksu_aviator]

Hate is anger and fear. The Republicans are angry that Obama won in 2008 and are afraid that his policies might actually work. I don't even like Obama and its apparent to me that Republicans have an unhealthy aversion to him.

LMAO...might actually work? No. The fear is that they'll be implemented because we KNOW they won't work.

 

[Geo Patric]

Watch the following and tell me who is dishonest:

nah. watch yer own cartoons. you have a view? i mean, you own view? state it. you can show that it has merit? show it.

geo.

 

[Geo Patric]

LMAO...might actually work? No. The fear is that they'll be implemented because we KNOW they won't work.

if you lack informatuion, make it up. it is not like whom we elect is important, or anything.

geo.

 

[zimmer]

nah. watch yer own cartoons. you have a view? i mean, you own view? state it. you can show that it has merit? show it.

geo.

The first part I understood. Seeing as you won't watch it, I'll give you the Coles Notes version. There are Libs, including Obama telling how they will get to single payer.

The remainder of your post is gibberish. How about trying English and posting a link for your OP?

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[Geo Patric]

The first part I understood. Seeing as you won't watch it, I'll give you the Coles Notes version. There are Libs, including Obama telling how they will get to single payer.

single payer was the original idea and it is still the RIGHT idea. i would suggest that should the rep party be stupid enough to bring the matter before the SC, they will win, the mandate will be declared unconstitutional, the REST of the law will remain intact and the insurers will be up the crick without paddle or map.

The remainder of your post is gibberish. How about trying English and posting a link for your OP?

well, most literate poeple consider my usage exellent, but in this particular case, i will have to defer to your expertise in the matter of "gibberish".

geo.

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

LMAO...might actually work? No. The fear is that they'll be implemented because we KNOW they won't work.

Like pumping hundreds of billions of dollars of tax payer funds into the collapse of the U.S. housing bubble?

 

[ksu_aviator]

single payer was the original idea and it is still the RIGHT idea. i would suggest that should the rep party be stupid enough to bring the matter before the SC, they will win, the mandate will be declared unconstitutional, the REST of the law will remain intact and the insurers will be up the crick without paddle or map.

well, most literate poeple consider my usage exellent, but in this particular case, i will have to defer to your expertise in the matter of "gibberish".

geo.

No, your grammar leaves me wondering what you mean.

As for single payer, it is unconstitutional and it is oppressive.

 

[Geo Patric]

No, your grammar leaves me wondering what you mean.

that you find it difficult does not mean that there is anything wrong with it. lemme know any time you find it difficult. i can explicate.

As for single payer, it is unconstitutional and it is oppressive.

no, it is neither.

geo.

 

[ksu_aviator]

that you find it difficult does not mean that there is anything wrong with it. lemme know any time you find it difficult. i can explicate.

no, it is neither.

geo.

You are going to analyze your own statements?

Single payer is unconstitutional because the Constitution does not give the government the power to regulate or legislate economic inactivity. Further it is oppressive because it removes the individual's right to life.

 

[Geo Patric]

You are going to analyze your own statements?

if you need help with comprehension... i would be glad to help.

Single payer is unconstitutional because the Constitution does not give the government the power to regulate or legislate economic inactivity.

sure it does. that is nonsense.

Further it is oppressive because it removes the individual's right to life.

good one. providing medical care deprives a right to life. you must work hard at saying a more absurd thing with each... must be be very difficult. you have a gift.

geo.

 

[BDBoop]

really? we've had 3 years of his policies and they haven't worked yet. how long must we wait?

Three years? What's this new-fangled math whereby Jan of 2009 to June of 2011 = three years?

 

[ksu_aviator]

if you need help with comprehension... i would be glad to help.
sure it does. that in nonsense.

Not in there. Care to prove your assertion?

good one. providing medical care deprives a right to life. you must work hard at saying a more absurd thing with each... must be be very difficult. you have a gift.

geo.

It is not absurd to say that if the government controls the how, when, where, why and what you do to maintain your health an well being that the government controls your right to life. He who has the money is the boss.

 

[Geo Patric]

Not in there. Care to prove your assertion?

the government does have the right to regulate economic activity granted it by the constitution - it is called the Commerce Clause. you will hear that if you buy a sammitch at micky D's, that is in the same state as you are when you buy it (as is usually the case) the clause does not apply, but the SC has said that an interstate agency is always involved in interstate commerce when the monies they make, the monies invested in them and the payments, deposits and dividends are all interstate. now, if you have a state agency that does not operate across state lines in ANY way (can you think of one?), the State (eg Ca.) has that power and single payer programs would operate in liason with state agencies.

but, that does not matter in the least because the single payer insurer would not be regulating commercial insurers but merely acting independent of them. it works. i know. i belong to one right here in Ca.

geo.

 

[Geo Patric]

Three years? What's this new-fangled math whereby Jan of 2009 to June of 2011 = three years?

(pssst... discalculic... it is impolite to point it out, Boops)

 

[BDBoop]

(pssst... discalculic... it is impolite to point it out, Boops)

/me hangs head and stands self in corner, mumbling apologies