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That sould be fun if those get hit with rockets and put into the ground, killing civilians and losing Israeli lives as well as money on something that didn't need to be done in a more dangerous way.
Thank god you're not a commander in the military.
Ah, so you believe a government should view its citizens lives as equal to any other countries people? That they should willingly put their people into harms way, and potentially have the enemy be able to get a captive they can use to ransom, propogandize, and extract information out of to cut down possible civilian casualities?
Maybe I'm crazy, but I want my government looking out for the well being of my country and its people first and foremost, and the country of those attacking me second.
You're correct, it isn't fair. Yet you keep trying to say its not "fair" that israel killed more than palestine did.
You're right, if its an apartment you're screwed. So you're saying risk Israeli lives to do something that's likely going to cost palestinian livse anyways.
In regards to manufacturing, to me that would be a complete military target if its purpose is producing tanks and such and as such I *think* we don't disagree that targetting that's fine.
No, its not good 300 people died (though I think I just read the UN number is closer to 60). Its not good, nor proper, either for Israeli's to live assulted by rockets daily simply because they don't kill as many.
No, its not going to solve the long term problem. Guess what, NOT reacting to it likely isn't going to solve the long term problem either. However reacting may help the short term problem, where as NOt acting most definitely won't be helping the short term problem.
Is it good? No, its rarely ever good for people to die. Is it proper? In some ways yes...it is proper for a country to rise to the defense of its people by any means it has. Lets see anywhere close to the amount of condemnation and critisim for Israel come out of you towards Hamas/Palestine for being the ones that are actually CHOOSING to cause Civilians to be wrapped up in this thing in the first place. This discussion wouldn't even be happening if Hamas wasn't purposefully taking advantage of civilian areas.
When posters whine about disproportionate response and all that other nonsense one has to wonder. Seeing how the Palestinians choose to elect terrorist,choose to tolerate their presence in their neighborhoods while they launch attacks into another country and choose to willingly make themselves human shields they are basically an accessory to terrorism and therefor terrorist sympathizers.
Israel could conduct more precise military attacks which target Hamas and not civilians. Instead of carpet bombing, send in troops to apprehend criminals.
I like to use this scenario to help people understand Israel's actions.
Let's say that for some reason, Cuba started to fired rockets into Miami. What do you think the our response should be. I almost always get this awnser, retaliate. And that is what we should do, if someone should attack us, we attack them.
So when rockets are fired into Israel, they have a right to defend themslves and retaliate against Hammas.
Israel could conduct more precise military attacks which target Hamas and not civilians. Instead of carpet bombing, send in troops to apprehend criminals.
And I already told you. A more precise action, one not targeted towards civilians. It would probably require land troops instead of outright bombings of civilian areas.
Of course the ideal response is for the lot of them (Israel and Palestine) to grow the **** up; but that doesn't seem like it will ever happen.
They should throw snow balls. No? How about water balloons. How about a nuclear bomb on Texas? No? Heck maybe they should kill the idiots that are shooting the rockets? Poison the water supply?I've had a few debates with people in (in "real life"), and as I'm an artist and generally keep artists for company, I'm pretty much alone in my position that Israel has the right to eradicate active threats to its people. The discussion always devolves into who threw spitballs at whom first, (e.g. "Hasn't Israel had a tendency to overreact in the past?" as if that has any bearing on what's going on right now) and the fact that Hamas was launching rockets at Israeli population centers during the course of the cease fire is ignored or waved aside.
So, forget who was naughty first. Hamas launches rockets at Israel.
If military retaliation is not the correct response, then what is?
This is exactly what Israel is doing!
I'm perfectly aware that many people find Israel's response objectionable (and yes, I'm aware that it has consequences as well). What I'm asking is what the response should be.
I don't think it's about what they have a right to do. It's about what's prudent and what's realistic. Think about the big picture: In the short-term, a strong retaliation may be able to stop the rocket attacks for a few months. But in the long-term, will a strong retaliation really accomplish anything? I don't see any reason to think that it will.
you make a really good pointI don't think it's about what they have a right to do. It's about what's prudent and what's realistic. Think about the big picture: In the short-term, a strong retaliation may be able to stop the rocket attacks for a few months. But in the long-term, will a strong retaliation really accomplish anything? I don't see any reason to think that it will.
you make a really good point
look at all those japanese terrorists we created by dropping the Bombs on Japan :doh
Are you suggesting Israel should nuke Gaza? Or are you suggesting that Japanese terrorists were a big problem BEFORE we nuked them?
1.) We DID NOT nuke Japan. We used an ATMOIC bomb on two Japanese cities. There is a HUGE difference between NUKE and ATOMIC.
Vader said:2.) Japanese terrorists, though they do exist, are an EXTREME RARITY. They are NOTHING like Hamas terrorists and Islamists.
Vader said:3.) What was your point again?
I am saying replace US with Israel & Japan with GazaAre you suggesting Israel should nuke Gaza? Or are you suggesting that Japanese terrorists were a big problem BEFORE we nuked them?
we bombed the **** out of Japan, and nuked 2 cities
yet we are not plaged by japanese terrorists, unless they are working on a really long time horizon :2razz:
DeeJayH said:while nukes are out of the question IMHO
bombing the **** out of Gaza could be just as effective in breaking Gaza's will
DeeJayH said:Israel just needs to stop *****-footing around and not bow to international pressure
you make a really good pointyou make a really good point
look at all those japanese terrorists we created by dropping the Bombs on Japan :doh
Troops are not for arresting criminals. They are for causing vast destruction, death, suffering and most importantly, enormous contrition in one's enemies.
Precise strikes are part of the problem. The general Palestinian population seem to support these savages, (making them savages themselves, of course.) All Palestinians who survive this war need to understand that their model of politics through terror is probably only going to win them land in the form of unmarked, communal graves.
Those on the west bank dont support the savages in question and it hasnt done them any good. They,re still losing land.
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