What is the future of the gop?

[gbg3]

Yes.....a 50 50 tie with Harris as the tie breaker and more vulnerable democrat senate seats then republican seats.

I watch the betting markets now and again. Those placing bets seem quite convinced the GOP will take the House next year and the chances of the GOP taking the Senate tend to stay fairly close to 50/50.

 

[Geoist]

Instead of the lizardbrained 'Taxes Bad!' and 'Spending Bad! (Unless it's to the military industrial complex!) platform we've seen I'd like to see a more nuanced perspective coming from the GOP. A party that emphasizes less wasteful spending and ineffective taxation while promoting smart spending and smart taxation. Also want to see a party that is less beholden to corporate lobbyists, especially the fossil fuel industry. Also need a party that embraces science (acknowledges climate change) and rejects wasteful military spending. A sort of libertarian GOP but without the conspiratorial/Alex Jones/religious nut baggage. Also helps if it isn't a cult.

 

[gbg3]

Can only happen if the republicans were to continue going down the path they were in before Trump. Trump has likely saved the GOP from itself. Even Trump haters like McConnell seem to have worked that out.

Yeah, I don't think there is any chance of the once expected GOP split based of pro-Trump/anti-Trump. Trump (his endorsements, his traditional conservative ideas, his influence, and his strength) - is firmly a part of the GOP and, at this point, everyone is well on their way to understanding that. I think Dems understand that too.

 

[Quag]

Yeah, I don't think there is any chance of the once expected GOP split based of pro-Trump/anti-Trump. Trump (his endorsements, his traditional conservative ideas, his influence, and his strength) - is firmly a part of the GOP and, at this point, everyone is well on their way to understanding that. I think Dems understand that too.

Trump doesnt have traditional conservative ideas.
He is he opposite of what republicans have traditionally stood for

 

[Irwin Corey]

What is the future for the anti party? I don't see the gop coming up with any ideas to move america forward, to the contrary I see the gop doing things to insure america does not move forward. I'm tired of hearing the same old lines/lies from the gop about lower taxes, individual freedoms and how the government is our enemy.

They say they are for creating jobs, jobs, jobs, but do nothing to create them unless you consider tax cuts job creation. The gop wants everything to stay just as it is, oil dependent, dirty air, water and land because after all if you make industry clean up after themselves that's a big no go. They won't sign on to an infrastructure bill, won't sign on to almost anything the dems propose because their job as they see it is not to move the country forward, their job is to stop the dreaded libs and their evil socialist, marxist, leninist, communist agenda.

Is the future of the gop going to be nothing more than challenging every election they lose? I say this because I think the crazy train they are riding won't be bringing them many wins in the future. Hate didn't win the last election, it won't win the next either.

GOP??? The "GOP" does not exist, begining with Reagan it's been a slow death that was complete sometime after Jan. 6 2021 when so many "GOP" Senators and Congressmen were shocked and agast over the TRUMP incited insurection and Kevin McCarthy's visit to Mira Lardass when ever afterward those calling themselves "Republicans" started claiming "what insurection that Trump had nothing to do with?"

The last nails are in the coffin, the Grand Old Party is no more, it's been replaced with Trumps Odd Party that has no policies, goals or principals except all hail Benedict Donald. Rather than stand up for the Constitution and These United States they sold out to the Mango Monarch to, hopefully, keep his coalition of loonies, terrorists and anarchists for themselves because they believe that is their path to victory. The 2022 election will determine if The United States of America contiues as a Government By The People or dies along with the GOP and becomes an Autocracy led by their Orange Julius Ceasar; because if the TOP gains controll then, no matter how the votes stack up, in 2024 Donald Judas Trump will be anoited KING of America.

 

[gbg3]

Instead of the lizardbrained 'Taxes Bad!' and 'Spending Bad! (Unless it's to the military industrial complex!) platform we've seen I'd like to see a more nuanced perspective coming from the GOP. A party that emphasizes less wasteful spending and ineffective taxation while promoting smart spending and smart taxation. Also want to see a party that is less beholden to corporate lobbyists, especially the fossil fuel industry. Also need a party that embraces science (acknowledges climate change) and rejects wasteful military spending. A sort of libertarian GOP but without the conspiratorial/Alex Jones/religious nut baggage. Also helps if it isn't a cult.

I'm just going to pull "climate change" out of this for a little offshoot comment for a moment. I think climate change is a tough topic altogether. Some believe in it unquestionably, others aren't so sure (I'm in that group), and still other think the whole thing is BS. Steve Koonin hasn't been the least bit helpful to the "believe it unquestionably" group lately.
But the climate change PROBLEM I see is how vague it and potential ways to address it are. The ideas are crazy expensive, no one knows if they'll make a bit of difference (making all of it such a risky gamble), lots of damage, even crisis situations, can come from these "good intentions" (creating situations of crippling energy shortages, issues, and costs), the world's biggest so called climate culprits might not care or change a thing, etc.. Typically, when a country sinks budgets of that magnitude into causes, they have a better grasp of the issue, the definable problem, and the best and most effective (including cost effective) solutions. With climate change, I worry we so far have just slightly more or no more than a still questioned narrative.

 

[TypicalRussian]

It's funny, I'm tired of hearing the same old lies form the Dems about how Gov't creates prosperity and can fix everything.
And how inferior white people are.
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yeah im tired of it too

 

[Callen]

Biden is enjoying fairly good numbers right now and they remain consistent. His agenda seems very popular with the majority of Americans including Independents. If he actually reaches a compromise on infrastructure that will be a huge win for him. If the GOP won't play it will not go over well with voters. Infrastructure is hugely popular so either way, it plays for Dems.

If all the GOP has to offer in 2022 is Trumpism and criticism, and the Dems get out the vote, then I think the Dems could do very well especially in the Senate where more Republicans are up for reelection than Dems and several of the incumbent GOP Senators are retiring. If Trumpers win those primaries then I think the Dems gain in Senate. It's one thing to win a district of Trumpers, it's another thing altogether to win statewide.

Bottom line, Americans rejected Trumpism in 2020 and if they see his stranglehold on GOP continuing and even growing they will reject it again in 2022 and 2024 BUT the Dems need to get out the vote because the GOP is working furiously to stack the deck.

 

[gbg3]

Trump doesnt have traditional conservative ideas.
He is he opposite of what republicans have traditionally stood for

Please elaborate.
Trump stood for low taxes, strong defense, strong military, law and order, secure borders, personal responsibility and choice, etc. Which ideas of Trump's were opposite of what Republicans have traditionally stood for?

 

[donhughesmusic]

Please elaborate.
Trump stood for low taxes, strong defense, strong military, law and order, secure borders, personal responsibility and choice, etc. Which ideas of Trump's were opposite of what Republicans have traditionally stood for?

Cheating on your wives. The GOP kept saying tha Bill Clinton was an embarrassment to the office for cheating on Hillary. What makes Trump's cheating any different?

 

[reflechissez]

Please elaborate.
Trump stood for low taxes, strong defense, strong military, law and order, secure borders, personal responsibility and choice, etc. Which ideas of Trump's were opposite of what Republicans have traditionally stood for?

Those are bumper stickers.

 

[gbg3]

Those are bumper stickers.

Excellent bumper stickers AND, also, each and every one of them strongly supported and worked on by Trump and his administration.

 

[reflechissez]

Excellent bumper stickers AND, also, each and every one of them strongly supported and worked on by Trump and his administration.

Clearly, "excellent" is in the eye of the beholder. Where is health care, housing, education, jobs, childcare -- you know, the things that impact people on a day-to-day basis?

 

[Luce]

Please elaborate.
Trump stood for low taxes, strong defense, strong military, law and order, secure borders, personal responsibility and choice, etc. Which ideas of Trump's were opposite of what Republicans have traditionally stood for?

I liked the part where he said he doesn't hold himself responsible for anything.

 

[Irwin Corey]

Please elaborate.
Trump stood for low taxes, strong defense, strong military, law and order, secure borders, personal responsibility and choice, etc. Which ideas of Trump's were opposite of what Republicans have traditionally stood for?

How about pitting AmeriCANs against on another, honesty, transparancy of Government, the AG being the PEOPLES Attorney not the PERSONAL Attorney of the President, Standing by and with our Allies and up to our advisaries instead of the other way around, peaceful transistion of power instead of fomenting insurection?

Please elaborate.
Trump stood for low taxes, strong defense, strong military, law and order, secure borders, personal responsibility and choice, etc. Which ideas of Trump's were opposite of what Republicans have traditionally stood for?

Benidict Donald stood for low taxes for the super wealthy, thought anyone that died serving in the military was a sucker, incited his folowers to violence, secured our borders by seperating children from their parents - with no plan to repatriate them, supported personal alligence to himslef not our nation, choice of HIM over a fair election, etc. Those were never before the ideals of the Republican party.

 

[Quag]

Please elaborate.
Trump stood for low taxes, strong defense, strong military, law and order, secure borders, personal responsibility and choice, etc. Which ideas of Trump's were opposite of what Republicans have traditionally stood for?

Family values: Trumps on his 3rd wife and cheated on every one of them
Law and order: Trump incited an insurrection and has run numerous cons and frauds, Trump Uni, his charity etc. etc..
Low taxes : Trump only cares about that for the wealthy, not overall
Military: Trump mocked them and kept saying he new better than the top brass, the military has actually shrunk under Trump
Secure border: A wall that was never built that Mexico never paid for with no actual or meaningful reform
Personal respnsability : You got to be joking he never takes any presonal responsability but he loves to try and take credit
Economy: He is anti free trade and pro tarrifs
Abortion: He gets partial credit here. he appointed pro life judges but personally he is all for it and knows he can send his mistresses to states/countries that allow it if necessary
Deficits: Trump ran them up like crazy to avoid the consequences of his failed trade wars
Foreign affairs: Trump cozied up to Russua, NK while distancing the USA from traditional allies

So yeah he is about 90-95% opposite of traditional Republican values

 

[Callen]

Trump never stood for personal responsibility and choice, quite the opposite. While he might have stood for strong borders as a matter of political convenience he most certainly did not embrace typical conservative views on immigration not did he do a damn thing to move the issue forward legislatively. His trade "policy " , whatever that was, could not have been more unconservative. His positions on " law and order" were hypocritical and self serving as evidenced by his "pardons" and his own potentially criminal personal actions. He is no conservative but he is brilliant opportunist who knows how to exploit the willing.

 

[Quag]

Trump never stood for personal responsibility and choice, quite the opposite. While he might have stood for strong borders as a matter of political convenience he most certainly did not embrace typical conservative views on immigration not did he do a damn thing to move the issue forward legislatively. His trade "policy " , whatever that was, could not have been more unconservative. His positions on " law and order" were hypocritical and self serving as evidenced by his "pardons" and his own potentially criminal personal actions. He is no conservative but he is brilliant opportunist who knows how to exploit the willing.

I wouldnt say a brilliant opportunist. he was mostly lucky that Limbaugh, Hannity et all basically paved the way for someone like him to cxome along and profit from their propoganda

 

[Destroy Trumpism]

What is the future for the anti party? I don't see the gop coming up with any ideas to move america forward, to the contrary I see the gop doing things to insure america does not move forward. I'm tired of hearing the same old lines/lies from the gop about lower taxes, individual freedoms and how the government is our enemy.

They say they are for creating jobs, jobs, jobs, but do nothing to create them unless you consider tax cuts job creation. The gop wants everything to stay just as it is, oil dependent, dirty air, water and land because after all if you make industry clean up after themselves that's a big no go. They won't sign on to an infrastructure bill, won't sign on to almost anything the dems propose because their job as they see it is not to move the country forward, their job is to stop the dreaded libs and their evil socialist, marxist, leninist, communist agenda.

Is the future of the gop going to be nothing more than challenging every election they lose? I say this because I think the crazy train they are riding won't be bringing them many wins in the future. Hate didn't win the last election, it won't win the next either.

I think you seriously underestimate the strong position the Republican Party currently holds. They are going to gerrymander the hell out of several key states before the 2022 election -- Georgia, Florida, and Texas. That effort alone will most likely give them control of the House.

In addition, the 300+ new voter suppression laws being proposed by Republican state legislatures throughout the country is going to make it more difficult for minorities and young people to vote, key Democratic constituents.

The Republicans are going to win the House and possibly the Senate in 2022. And when that happens, democracy is over in the U.S. The Republicans will NEVER give up power again. Jan 6 proved that.

 

[bongsaway]

While I don't expect you to look at it objectively, the future of the GOP depends on whether the party as a whole returns to honoring it's stated conservative principles in the Republican party platform that they continue to renew virtually unchanged every four years. A party's platform is based on what they claim to represent. Unfortunately for about the last three decades, the party has merely dusted off trotted out the platform at election time and said: "Hey...look....we are conservatives!" That's why a complete political novice in 2016 came out a winner in a field of 17 for the GOP nomination. There were some big names in that field, including Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, etc. Yet Trump campaigned on those conservative principles laid out in the Republican party platform nd the republican base responded. Go figure! It's not so much about Trump. It's more about the republican party losing it's way of the last three decades and forgetting to honor what they claim to represent.
Party registration does not make one a conservative. One must actually be a conservative

That is probably the most sensible thing I've read from you, congratulations I am duly impressed with your review of the gop. The thing is, it's only getting worse. It's like the gop is determined to self destruct with their craziness. So how do you change the base's thinking that Q is some sort of god who talks for trump and tells the base vague insane things through some kind of secret code. But hey, I guess that's better than the alternative, the dems. The evil satan loving child porn rings sucking the blood of the innocents and nobody is doing anything about it. So of course any sane person is going to vote for the party of Q.

The gop is lost and until they stop spitting their hatred and venom on anything or anyone the leadership gets them all riled up over, they will become more and more not relevant.

 

[bongsaway]

GOP??? The "GOP" does not exist, begining with Reagan it's been a slow death that was complete sometime after Jan. 6 2021 when so many "GOP" Senators and Congressmen were shocked and agast over the TRUMP incited insurection and Kevin McCarthy's visit to Mira Lardass when ever afterward those calling themselves "Republicans" started claiming "what insurection that Trump had nothing to do with?"

The last nails are in the coffin, the Grand Old Party is no more, it's been replaced with Trumps Odd Party that has no policies, goals or principals except all hail Benedict Donald. Rather than stand up for the Constitution and These United States they sold out to the Mango Monarch to, hopefully, keep his coalition of loonies, terrorists and anarchists for themselves because they believe that is their path to victory. The 2022 election will determine if The United States of America contiues as a Government By The People or dies along with the GOP and becomes an Autocracy led by their Orange Julius Ceasar; because if the TOP gains controll then, no matter how the votes stack up, in 2024 Donald Judas Trump will be anoited KING of America.

I tend to look at things a bit differently. There is no doubt our democratic republic is under attack by the gop. For years the right has spoken of a civil war and they were correct, it started right after trump 'won' and they fired the opening shots. It's deteriorated ever since to the point now they justify or dismiss the sixth like it was their proverbial nothingburger. Don't believe what you say america, believe what we tell you.

To sum it up, the crazier the gop acts I think it does nothing but secure losses in the next two elections for them. America already booted trump and his lunacy after one term, what makes these folks think their antics are wanted? Also, trump's legal problems have yet to start. Wait until all the dirt of the trials starts coming out, that should be interesting. In my opinion as long as the trumpets are in control of the gop, nothing good will come from it.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

What is the future for the anti party?

War against the American people, war against democracy.
That's what they are openly preparing for.

 

[bongsaway]

War against the American people, war against democracy.
That's what they are openly preparing for.

Preparing? It's been here since trump 'won' in 2016. The right kept telling us there is going to be a civil war, we were thinking violence and shooting when they were thinking overthrowing the democracy by denying reality and insisting trump won. It's here and the dems better fight back or else our democracy might damn well be lost.

 

[SheWolf]

With few exceptions, history says that the Presidents party loses seats and/or a majority in Congress. The RepublIcan Party is counting on that dynamic going into 2022. Unless this cycle proves an exception, the Grand Trump Party has little motivation to change tactics. The country is a duopoly buttressed by a mercurial electorate.

Every two years is another opportunity for the voters to prove them correct.

Well I am definitely voting against the Trump party in2022. I am as motivated as I was to vote for Joe Biden.

 

[Irwin Corey]

I tend to look at things a bit differently. There is no doubt our democratic republic is under attack by the gop. For years the right has spoken of a civil war and they were correct, it started right after trump 'won' and they fired the opening shots. It's deteriorated ever since to the point now they justify or dismiss the sixth like it was their proverbial nothingburger. Don't believe what you say america, believe what we tell you.

To sum it up, the crazier the gop acts I think it does nothing but secure losses in the next two elections for them. America already booted trump and his lunacy after one term, what makes these folks think their antics are wanted? Also, trump's legal problems have yet to start. Wait until all the dirt of the trials starts coming out, that should be interesting. In my opinion as long as the trumpets are in control of the gop, nothing good will come from it.

I'll agree the desire of the fringe right to turn Government by the people into an Autocracy they believe will force their white supremacist, prejudicial life-style on us all when tRump got elected. But the reason so many AmeriCANs are not only willing but chomping at the bit to transform our democratic way of life into fascism began with Reaganomics; his transforming our economy that was fairly equitable across the economic spectrum into one that highly favored the wealthy. Since Reagan the economic wellbeing of most AmeriCANs has eroded, through no fault of their own, to the point many (way too many) AmeriCANs live life on the brink with no hope of improving their condition.


Not surprisingly those AmeriCANs are primed for Benedict Donalds message of division and scape-goatism. They know tRump is a louse, but they (wrongly) believe he's, their louse. And those in control realize they must hold onto tRumps base-base if they are to have any hope of keeping power. This is their last hand and they are all in on tRump's big lie, if they gain control in 22 These United States will never, ever have another free and fair election. Trump will become president for life with a rubber stamp legislature and judiciary. America as we know it will be over. Twenty-two is just as critical to the continuance of The American Experiment as 20.