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What is the "conservative" solution to homelessness?

W_Heisenberg

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W_Heisenberg said:
Okay. I understand.

You're doing it again. It's the same talking points. You keep repeating the same talking points like a broken record.

For the sake of argument let's accept that your criticism of Liberalism is true and that Liberalism will never be able to solve the problem of homelessness.

WHAT SOLUTION CAN CONSERVATIVES OR REPUBLICANS OFFER TO ELIMINATE OR REDUCE HOMELESSNESS?!?

You keep criticizing and complaining that liberalism is a failure. As an example you pointed to the problem of homelessness in big cities. Okay. Now is your chance. What is the "conservative" solution to this problem?
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Conservative said:
Create a thread and stop diverting from the results being generated by this Administration and continuous blame on Trump for helping out the farmers. Name for me the last Democratic President that understood the private sector including the farmers in our economy? Oh, what the hell you won't answer

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W_Heisenberg said:
Ok. I'll make a thread about homelessness. And you can describe to me what the conservative solution is for homelessness in big cities.
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KevinKohler said:
Let them die, obviously.

I mean, they brought it on themselves. All they gotta do is educate themselves, develop a valuable skillset, find a job, and earn around 40k per year.
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If you are able to work and choose not to then suffer the consequences of those poor choices. let the charities handle the problem not the federal taxpayers. Work for your welfare is another solution, the entitlement crowd has destroyed incentive and it is incentive that drives people, the need for food should be an incentive to work for it. There is no excuse for 10.7 million jobs in this country to be unfulfilled. You don't work, you don't eat
 
As a conservative but also as a Christian who has worked in soup kitchens etc, I think it should start with a recognition that there is not one type of "homelessness" but multiple types.

1. Mental Illness caused homelessness--I don't know the exact figures, but I think a decently large percentage of the homeless are mentally ill. There was a movement of "liberation" for the mentally ill in the late 1970s and early 1980s, that sought to "de-institutionalize" them, this meant the shutting down of almost all of the state mental hospitals and letting these people free to live in the community. The few remaining State mental hospitals are largely filled with those diverted there by the criminal courts, and the small number of civil commitments they have room for, the wealthy can put mentally ill family members in private facilities. The simple reality is that while some mentally ill can live in society, many cannot, no matter what is done. They would live easier, more structured and likely more comfortable lives in a traditional sanatorium style system. Some of these facilities were incredibly abusive, but not all were, many were humane and well run. We threw the "baby out with the bath water" by shutting most of them down. The development of sanatoriums goes back to the 1800s, it is not really a "liberal" idea to maintain such facilities and I think any real conservative would have no issue with government maintaining such facilities if they were appropriately run / operated.

2. Drug addiction caused homelessness. This one is a harder matter, but I would be fine with some government funded drug rehab that required the person to be regularly drug tested.

3. Economic homelessness. For whatever reason I think many on the left want to assume or suggest all homelessness is caused by economic hardship. The reality is I think this is a minority of homelessness, because there are actually so many programs that already exist that, if you are of sound mind and not addicted to drugs, can keep you off the streets. Now, I do think even still some people fall through the cracks. I am fine with programs to help people like this get back on their feet, but it must be paired with requirements to either work or be seeking a job and other such things.

What I and I believe most conservatives are not in favor of is 'blank check' solutions. Handouts with no strings attached, government housing that people can just lay around in all day doing drugs and etc. This isn't out of any "hatred" for the poor or the homeless, but rather that I think if you just give handouts to drug addicts and the mentally ill, you are doing nothing to actually fix the situation. It seems harsh, but coddling doesn't help, it perpetuates.
 
Conservative said:
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If you are able to work and choose not to then suffer the consequences of those poor choices. let the charities handle the problem not the federal taxpayers. Work for your welfare is another solution, the entitlement crowd has destroyed incentive and it is incentive that drives people, the need for food should be an incentive to work for it. There is no excuse for 10.7 million jobs in this country to be unfulfilled. You don't work, you don't eat
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The primary problem with private charity is that it is too unpredictable. If you went to a homeless shelter on Thanksgiving, you would think that the line to serve soup is usually longer than the line to receive soup. If you went to a homeless shelter on a Tuesday in February, you would find that there are suddenly not enough volunteers to man the shelter. The same problem can plague charitable relief for the homeless , you simply can't plan ahead when your only source of funding is donations. The government still needsto be the principal actor in caring for the homeless (though charities can still be a worthwhile partner in helping the homeless get back on their feet).
 

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HenryChinaski said:
Make homelessness a punishable crime and lock them up.
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Sarcasm aside, there was an old homeless man here (decades ago) who spent the winter months in city jail, courtesy of the city. All the paperwork was in order, legal, all of it. I don't remember the details, but the cops had a soft spot for this guy for some reason and gave him three hots and a cot December through February every year.

What I'm highlighting is that jail can be preferable to homelessness for some in certain situations.

My solution is shelters for the chronic and programs for the others to get them off the streets. This is basically what we do here now.
 
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The homeless will increase exponentially this year under Biden or should I say the democratic party since Biden is nothing more than a party puppet. The solution to the homeless problem is to dump millions of illegal aliens during the middle of the night in city and towns all across America. They just dumped a plane load in my area. Biden is such a bottom feeder he doesn't even have the courage to tell the people what he is doing. Just love when flights from El Paso arrives after hours in the middle of the night in a tiny airport in PA. All you have to do is call the airport and confirm there are no flights from this airport to or from El Paso. Well that is except the sneaky flights by our leader dumping illegals in a city near you.

If Biden and company have issue breaking our immigration laws and failing at everything such as securing our border who believes any of these illegals have been tested, vaccinated, or even vetted.
 
#1 problem is with the definition. "Homeless" people are like the folks who's homes were destroyed by tornadoes in the mid-west. People who suddenly LOST their homes due to something which they could not prevent. Because you would FIRST need to be a person capable of sheltering yourself (owning or renting) to have had a home in the first place.

When we call people who are unsheltered due to mental illness, OPEN DRUG SCENE -- use and addiction, or due to a personal choice to be a hobo, those are not people who can be fixed by throwing money at the problem by providing them shelter; the crazy and hardcore drug addicts are not going to be willingly sheltered if there are any rules or conditions placed upon them. Cities which spent million of dollars converting run down hotels have found that where the occupants are drug addicts, these place just become indoor "shooting galleries" for drug use, rather than on the street or in tents.

Public policy already does a decent job helping the type of person in need like a woman with 4 kids who's husband left her, and then find way to shelter her and her kids, and get them the social welfare help they need. But at some point we have to stop believing that without putting disincentives for OPEN DRUG USE and outdoor camping, we are going to change things. If those people want to be sheltered they need to go along with a program, otherwise make them move along and that will get the word out that our public spaces are not their to just occupy. Mentally ill people, we need to decide that their so called "civil liberties" which put them and the rest of us at risk need court ordered intervention, or they will never be helped.
 
Alexios Makaris said:
As a conservative but also as a Christian who has worked in soup kitchens etc, I think it should start with a recognition that there is not one type of "homelessness" but multiple types.

1. Mental Illness caused homelessness--I don't know the exact figures, but I think a decently large percentage of the homeless are mentally ill. There was a movement of "liberation" for the mentally ill in the late 1970s and early 1980s, that sought to "de-institutionalize" them, this meant the shutting down of almost all of the state mental hospitals and letting these people free to live in the community. The few remaining State mental hospitals are largely filled with those diverted there by the criminal courts, and the small number of civil commitments they have room for, the wealthy can put mentally ill family members in private facilities. The simple reality is that while some mentally ill can live in society, many cannot, no matter what is done. They would live easier, more structured and likely more comfortable lives in a traditional sanatorium style system. Some of these facilities were incredibly abusive, but not all were, many were humane and well run. We threw the "baby out with the bath water" by shutting most of them down. The development of sanatoriums goes back to the 1800s, it is not really a "liberal" idea to maintain such facilities and I think any real conservative would have no issue with government maintaining such facilities if they were appropriately run / operated.

2. Drug addiction caused homelessness. This one is a harder matter, but I would be fine with some government funded drug rehab that required the person to be regularly drug tested.

3. Economic homelessness. For whatever reason I think many on the left want to assume or suggest all homelessness is caused by economic hardship. The reality is I think this is a minority of homelessness, because there are actually so many programs that already exist that, if you are of sound mind and not addicted to drugs, can keep you off the streets. Now, I do think even still some people fall through the cracks. I am fine with programs to help people like this get back on their feet, but it must be paired with requirements to either work or be seeking a job and other such things.

What I and I believe most conservatives are not in favor of is 'blank check' solutions. Handouts with no strings attached, government housing that people can just lay around in all day doing drugs and etc. This isn't out of any "hatred" for the poor or the homeless, but rather that I think if you just give handouts to drug addicts and the mentally ill, you are doing nothing to actually fix the situation. It seems harsh, but coddling doesn't help, it perpetuates.
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This^^. Well said.

I've had a lot of contact with the homeless over the years, and this is pretty much what I was going to say.

It isn't simply a matter of getting them a job, or finding them shelter. Most of them have mental problems or substance abuse issues, or both, and there are no simple solutions to how they ended up homeless, or how to "fix" them.

Throwing money at the problem isn't going to make it go away. It's going to take targeted, well-thought-out programs to make a serious dent in homelessness, and there's pretty much no way you're going to entirely eradicate the problem.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
The homeless will increase exponentially this year under Biden or should I say the democratic party since Biden is nothing more than a party puppet. The solution to the homeless problem is to dump millions of illegal aliens during the middle of the night in city and towns all across America. They just dumped a plane load in my area. Biden is such a bottom feeder he doesn't even have the courage to tell the people what he is doing. Just love when flights from El Paso arrives after hours in the middle of the night in a tiny airport in PA. All you have to do is call the airport and confirm there are no flights from this airport to or from El Paso. Well that is except the sneaky flights by our leader dumping illegals in a city near you.

If Biden and company have issue breaking our immigration laws and failing at everything such as securing our border who believes any of these illegals have been tested, vaccinated, or even vetted.
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why do you make things up?
 
Alexios Makaris said:
As a conservative but also as a Christian who has worked in soup kitchens etc, I think it should start with a recognition that there is not one type of "homelessness" but multiple types.

1. Mental Illness caused homelessness--I don't know the exact figures, but I think a decently large percentage of the homeless are mentally ill. There was a movement of "liberation" for the mentally ill in the late 1970s and early 1980s, that sought to "de-institutionalize" them, this meant the shutting down of almost all of the state mental hospitals and letting these people free to live in the community. The few remaining State mental hospitals are largely filled with those diverted there by the criminal courts, and the small number of civil commitments they have room for, the wealthy can put mentally ill family members in private facilities. The simple reality is that while some mentally ill can live in society, many cannot, no matter what is done. They would live easier, more structured and likely more comfortable lives in a traditional sanatorium style system. Some of these facilities were incredibly abusive, but not all were, many were humane and well run. We threw the "baby out with the bath water" by shutting most of them down. The development of sanatoriums goes back to the 1800s, it is not really a "liberal" idea to maintain such facilities and I think any real conservative would have no issue with government maintaining such facilities if they were appropriately run / operated.

2. Drug addiction caused homelessness. This one is a harder matter, but I would be fine with some government funded drug rehab that required the person to be regularly drug tested.

3. Economic homelessness. For whatever reason I think many on the left want to assume or suggest all homelessness is caused by economic hardship. The reality is I think this is a minority of homelessness, because there are actually so many programs that already exist that, if you are of sound mind and not addicted to drugs, can keep you off the streets. Now, I do think even still some people fall through the cracks. I am fine with programs to help people like this get back on their feet, but it must be paired with requirements to either work or be seeking a job and other such things.

What I and I believe most conservatives are not in favor of is 'blank check' solutions. Handouts with no strings attached, government housing that people can just lay around in all day doing drugs and etc. This isn't out of any "hatred" for the poor or the homeless, but rather that I think if you just give handouts to drug addicts and the mentally ill, you are doing nothing to actually fix the situation. It seems harsh, but coddling doesn't help, it perpetuates.
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I disagree with your #3 being a characteristic of the left. It's the right who think homelessness is economic hardship and that is why they make the argument that there's so many jobs out there if only they'd go get them.

I think you've made some good points though. Especially pointing out that there isn't a single cause (therefore not a single solution) to homelessness
 
Alexios Makaris said:
What I and I believe most conservatives are not in favor of is 'blank check' solutions. Handouts with no strings attached, government housing that people can just lay around in all day doing drugs and etc. This isn't out of any "hatred" for the poor or the homeless, but rather that I think if you just give handouts to drug addicts and the mentally ill, you are doing nothing to actually fix the situation. It seems harsh, but coddling doesn't help, it perpetuates.
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I'd like to know where I can find one of these blank checks. It seems to me that your summation is fallacious.
 
HenryChinaski said:
The primary problem with private charity is that it is too unpredictable. If you went to a homeless shelter on Thanksgiving, you would think that the line to serve soup is usually longer than the line to receive soup. If you went to a homeless shelter on a Tuesday in February, you would find that there are suddenly not enough volunteers to man the shelter. The same problem can plague charitable relief for the homeless , you simply can't plan ahead when your only source of funding is donations. The government still needsto be the principal actor in caring for the homeless (though charities can still be a worthwhile partner in helping the homeless get back on their feet).
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As I posted from the link I provided there are over 10.7 million jobs available in this country today, California alone has a 7% unemployment rate, beautiful weather, and thousands of able body people living in tent cities or on the street being paid for by the taxpayers. Abled body people who can work should work or not be fed. There is no such thing today in this entitlement society for personal responsibility. Poor choices lead to poor consequences. able to work and don't then you don't eat. Amazing how incentive works
 
rahl said:
why do you make things up?
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Oh they have been busted in my area. People who work at the airport have confirmed it. The government may censor what is happening just like Nazi Germany did but it is still happening.
 
One thing I think needs to be considered about "open jobs" is "location." In my industry long before covid and all this disruption to the labor market, one reason we paid recruitment firms so much money to bring a new hire to us is the issue of location. Having an open job and x number of job seekers means little if you can't also match on location, and that isn't always as trivial as it sounds. Something I have never understood is why we funnel so much money to low-income people to help them eke out a living in ultra-high-cost areas like the San Francisco Bay Area, the greater Seattle Area, the New York metro etc. instead of offering them vouchers to relocate to somewhere in the Midwest or such where the local population is stagnant and in need of workers.
 
I'm a builder, and the main cause for homelessness and the housing shortage in general is the progressive regulatory state which literally prohibits low cost housing from being built. I'm not talking about safety regulations. Most housing regulations have nothing to do with safety, they simply satisfy the leftist desire for public control over the means of production regarding housing. To put it another way, the idiot modern progressive believes in outlawing hamburger for those who can't afford steak.
 

What is the "conservative" solution to homelessness?​


After reading the comments of self-described 'conservatives' on this thread, it's clear that the simple answer is: They have no solution!

All they have is their own feelings of victimization. Poor souls. I pity them.
 
It looks like @Conservative 's solution is to quickly and easily employ the "unemployable."

Then there's some notion about not eating if you're not working. Does that mean that he truly wants people to starve to death? How would this be enforced? The 'dumpster food police'? Dumpster snipers? If you give a handout and/or a hand up, you'll get your hands cut off? I'm joking a bit to illustrate my points, but I'm serious. Conservatives don't seem to understand the social sciences.
 
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