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Ok, define "survival instinct" and prove how it inevitably clashes with socialism.
Partisan said:I'm not here to do your term paper for you, survival of the fittest speaks for itself....
Ok, let me rephrase my statement because you clearly didn't understand it:
Prove that human nature exists.
If it is socially constructed then it is not natural and thus not the "nature" of humans.
when i read posts about socialism in America and this politician being socialist or that one. I am constantly amazed at how little most of the posters on this forum actually know about the topic. I really think that maybe only 3% have a clue. of those 3% maybe only have of them have a working understanding of socialism.
most of the statements are uneducated and guess work. they relate little of what socialism is. for the sake of everyone maybe some off you would make an effort to try and learn something about the topic before you jump in with both feet calling someone a socialist.
for the sake of debate. please tell me what you actually think it is. Thanks.
we can always use a good laugh.
katiegrrl0 said:the thread is not about human nature but i will answer it anyway.
human nature is a construct of a person. what is natural to you may not be natural to me. it is a statement trying to define the human condition. it has little to do with nature or natural. in that sense you are correct. i see human nature as what is natural to a person. i am lesbian that is natural to me. a heterosexual person may see that as unnatural. so we do i guess agree.
Yup, that's true.....
Good point---People are trained to believe what they are told, and to then defend that belief, not matter what the facts may be---Insecurity does that to people.
Tough if you don't like my answers, I happen to believe the U.S. is the greatest country....
I haven't seen you contribute anything of substance, two posts & then a threat to shut me up............:doh
If you don't like the term 'human nature', how abou 'survival instinct'?......
I'm not here to do your term paper for you, survival of the fittest speaks for itself....
Sorry, I have to leave for work now so I can fill the government coffers....
We wouldn't want any handouts to be late.....
you have a perfect right to believe that the US is the greatest country. that's fine. the question is do you know what socialism is in the real sense or is it your best guess when you talk about it. do you really know how that system works and how it pertains to the lives of people who live in a socialistic state or nation?
So, your point is for Kids to not listen and learn from their Parents?a truth that is universal.
when kids are told or hear parents and grandparents talking about Socialism and Communism they glean information that for the most part is wrong. they grow up thinking that it is true and will defend to the death the ideas that they heard are true. they do not seek out a true knowledge.
it passes from generation to generation as truth. i think that it would make debate far better if people had an actual grasp of what it is they are saying.
Thought I'm not a political academic. I'll give it the old college try.
Realize that trying to define Socialism is difficult. The definitions of the term are as numerous as those who advocate and oppose the movement.
Professor Dewey Davis once said: "It has never seemed to me possible to define the word so as to make it serviceable for general discussion...the discussion has gone to far and the term is too widespread for any one definition."
Let's see if I can please the *expert* with my definition(s):
First, "Socialism" comes in many forms and stripes. To which are referring, specifically?
-The Basic definition, as a system or theoretical amalgam referring to, or of the ownership and operation of the means of production and distribution; by a society or the community, rather than by private individuals, with all members of society or the community sharing in the work and the products.
-State Socialism? Which is essentially an economic system in which the government owns most means of production,but some degree of private capitalism is allowed.
-Democratic Socialism? A political ideology that emphasizes the principle of equality and usually prescribes a large role for government to intervene in society, which is one where people maintain various degrees of freedom.
-National Socialism? Nazism is a form of socialism featuring racism and expansionism and obedience to a strong leader.
-Utopian (or ideal) Socialism? Which is socialism achieved by voluntary sacrifice.
-Guild Socialism? A form of socialist theory advocating state ownership of industry but managements by guilds of workers.
For anyone who doesn't understand socialism/communism, should read "Animal Farm".
Oh, and Katie, starting a thread by inferring that you are among the elite "3%" that "get it" is usually a turn-off for anyone looking to answer to the thread. Just a hint.
However, I was so turned off by your arrogance, I decided to answer.
I like this idea and will adopt it. When ever I address a topic, I will be sure to state that I am a Heterosexual, so people will understand the basis for my view. we are defined by our sexual orientation, correct?
Hey, I am waiting on a reply.
So, your point is for Kids to not listen and learn from their Parents?
well done post. it is excellent.
perhaps the way i phrased the OP wrongly and seemed arrogant. that was not the intent. i have lived in semi socialist nations for a lot of my life. i have been involved as a member of socialist parties ans communist parities most of my adult life. most people in the US do not have this in their background. so though not having meant to sound all knowing i did. for that i was wrong.
i do think that having been part of that government system i do have an experience that many do not.
thanks for your great response.
For Our Children, we do represent the truth. If not the Parents, then who has the "truth" in your book.no my point is for children to seek truth and not live on hear say. when you are a child you learn what you are taught. when you are an adult you seek out and find out if what you learned was true. it is better than making statements about things that you have no clue about or are totally wrong about
Sure. I think your anger toward Americans that call democratic/liberal policies or initiatives "socialist" is based off ignorance in some cases; I'll grant you that. Most folks probably don't understand the difference between Socialist/Marxist/Communist.
However, there is some validity to call some initiatives by democrats (and even some republicans) "more socialistic"...or having "socialist elements". It's not a completely false argument, regardless if the person understands the construct(s) of what they are talking about or not.
Universal health care is a socialist program...or at least more socialist than our current system.
Welfare is a socialist program; it redistributes money to those who do not produce from those who do. Farm Subsidizing is a Socialist program. It provides money to those who fail to produce from those who succeed. Free College is a Socialist program. It provides opportunity for those who have none by taking opportunity from those who have them. Affirmative action is a socialist program because it places the criticality of equality before potential or merit.
Now, some of these programs are now stalwarts of our nation and won't be changed. Are we a socialist nation? Not entirely.
I think that the anti-Obama populist movement has made words like "socialist" more of a derogatory buzzword that invokes fear and outrage, more than anything.
You made the claim, back it up.Prove me wrong, oh wise one......:roll:
For anyone who doesn't understand socialism/communism, should read "Animal Farm".
For Our Children, we do represent the truth. If not the Parents, then who has the "truth" in your book.
I'd say that Animal Farm is more about government corruption and why pure communism can't work, more than an explanation of socialism or communism.
Minor quibble, though, about an otherwise awesome post.
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