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What is so dangerous about Creationism? [W:346, 410]

You are actually evidence of God's existence.

You can't provide evidence of it, so even if it were true we couldn't actually know that's the case. But, we can say just about anything if we're bringing magic in to the discussion.
 
You can't provide evidence of it, so even if it were true we couldn't actually know that's the case. But, we can say just about anything if we're bringing magic in to the discussion.

Perhaps you missed it, YOU are evidence.
 
You have faith that there will be hurricanes next year.

False. People believe that the likelihood of hurricanes next year is so great as to ignore the probability of no hurricanes occurring, and this is based on probability and observation.

In other words, hurricanes will almost certainly occur next year because every single observed year in human history has been one where hurricanes occurred and no known factors are present to prevent said hurricanes from occurring.

It's an assumption based entirely on observation and reason. It's a strong induction, logically speaking.

What you are doing is QUITE different:

I am certain God exists, because I see his creations.

You start of by making the assumption that the observed phenomena are "God's creations", despite having no evidence to support that assumption (you did not observe God crating said things). It's a begging the question fallacy, since the assumption requires as much proof or demonstration as the assertion it hopes to prove/demonstrate does.

Then you then use this premise which assumes god's existence as your primary premise in order to reach a conclusion that God exists. That is the fallacy of circular reasoning.

Now, what you called "faith" in the first situation is really just an example of inductive logic and probability where the extremely low-probability chance of non-occurance is ignored due to it's infinitesimally small nature.

What you call faith in the second example is a grossly fallacious attempt to claim certainty where none is present.
 
Prove it. Quoting a book doesn't count. Provide some way it could be shown to be true.

The fact that you are so intricate proves that there is a specific design, that design must come from somewhere, that is God. Because you exist, there must be a God.
 
So now you're telling others what they have faith in? Well, isn't that special and not all that surprising, really.

No. I'm explaining what faith MEANS. It's not unique to religious people. it's a human aspect.
 
False. People believe that the likelihood of hurricanes next year is so great as to ignore the probability of no hurricanes occurring, and this is based on probability and observation.

In other words, hurricanes will almost certainly occur next year because every single observed year in human history has been one where hurricanes occurred and no known factors are present to prevent said hurricanes from occurring.

It's an assumption based entirely on observation and reason. It's a strong induction, logically speaking.

What you are doing is QUITE different:



You start of by making the assumption that the observed phenomena are "God's creations", despite having no evidence to support that assumption (you did not observe God crating said things). It's a begging the question fallacy, since the assumption requires as much proof or demonstration as the assertion it hopes to prove/demonstrate does.

Then you then use this premise which assumes god's existence as your primary premise in order to reach a conclusion that God exists. That is the fallacy of circular reasoning.

Now, what you called "faith" in the first situation is really just an example of inductive logic and probability where the extremely low-probability chance of non-occurance is ignored due to it's infinitesimally small nature.

What you call faith in the second example is a grossly fallacious attempt to claim certainty where none is present.

Man walked, and talked with God. Nothing circular about that.
 
The fact that you are so intricate proves that there is a specific design, that design must come from somewhere, that is God. Because you exist, there must be a God.

Even if that were true (which it's not), you still couldn't prove it's the Christian God.
 
Man walked, and talked with God. Nothing circular about that.

You don't have any proof of that, though. The Bible doesn't count. You'd be using the Bible's claim to be the word of God as proof that the Bible is the word of God.
 
You don't have any proof of that, though. The Bible doesn't count. You'd be using the Bible's claim to be the word of God as proof that the Bible is the word of God.

Why does the Bible not count? Afterall, men did write about their own accounts and their own interactions, nice try though.
 
Except this isn't circular reasoning. Not to mention man talked with God and it has been documented.

Yes it is circular reasoning. How do you know man talked with "god?"

No. I'm explaining what faith MEANS. It's not unique to religious people. it's a human aspect.

You're telling them what they believe / what they have faith in! If you want to tell them what faith means, use a dictionary, you are not giving a meaning. And yes, faith, especially on such a magnanimous scale, is unique to the religious population almost exclusively.
 
Why does the Bible not count? Afterall, men did write about their own accounts and their own interactions, nice try though.

If we're trying to decide if something is true we need independent verification, otherwise I could just write a book and claim it's from God because the book says it's from God.
 
What are these creations that you can demonstrate are the work of God?

Excluding a creative incorporeal intelligence more powerful than even TIME, can you more LOGICALLY explain how everything came to be?

spontaneous generation and something from nothing have been scientifically DISPROVEN.
Conservation of energy. cannot be created or destroyed. Not by mankind.

Only words and ideas appear possible infinite in life span and forever new to 1st time hearers. And Powerful. Man's words and ideas.

the concept of infinite mind is easier to accept than an eternal universe, which evidence suggests had a beginning. Big Bang or whatever.
It's logical some force different from us caused it and with intelligent intent! Ergo God!
 
Excluding a creative incorporeal intelligence more powerful than even TIME, can you more LOGICALLY explain how everything came to be?

I never claimed to know. The point is that you don't know either. You just assume your God did it.

spontaneous generation and something from nothing have been scientifically DISPROVEN.

Actually, no, it just hasn't been proven.

the concept of infinite mind is easier to accept than an eternal universe, which evidence suggests had a beginning. Big Bang or whatever.

That's an entirely subjective statement.
 
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