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What If Trump Loses in 2020 and Refuses to Concede?

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With the amount of shouting about "voter fraud" and "illegals voting for Dems" that we can hear and read every day, what might happen if Trump refuses to leave the White House?

How Trump Could Lose the Election and Remain President
A step-by-step guide to what might happen if he refuses to concede.

At the end of his congressional testimony in February, Michael Cohen, Donald Trump’s former fixer, floated a nightmarish possibility.

“Given my experience working for Mr. Trump,” Cohen said, “I fear that if he loses in 2020, that there will never be a peaceful transition of power.”

Cohen’s comments may seem hyperbolic, but they are worth taking seriously. In the aftermath of 2018, Trump told reporters, “Republicans don’t win, and that’s because of potentially illegal votes.” In a 2016 presidential debate, Trump refused to say whether he would accept defeat. “I’ll keep you in suspense,” he declared. Since that election, Trump has routinely said that his popular vote defeat was the product of “millions and millions” of illegal ballots.

Here’s what could keep Trump in power.

1. The election is close.
If Trump lost in a blowout, alleging fraud would accomplish little. Even entrenched autocrats are often forced from office when they are heftily defeated. . . . how close the election would have to be for Republicans to support Trump in disputing the results, “ ‘Close’—as Trump supporters define it.”

2. Trump claims fraud, and Republicans back him up.
“Without PHONY voters, I really won!” he tweets. “This is FRAUD!” Needless to say, the president does not call to congratulate his opponent. At an afternoon press conference, Trump’s press secretary announces he will not concede.

What happens next?

3. Polarized courts side with the GOP.
The legal justification for challenging the returns would develop, he said, “in some ways that we can’t really anticipate now but that lawyers will come up with when it matters.”

Autocrats abroad often rely on packed courts to cling to power, and while the U.S. judiciary is far more independent than that of Honduras or Venezuela, there’s no doubt that Trump has made a substantial imprint. He has appointed a historically high number of federal appeals court judges.

4. Alternatively, Republicans play extreme constitutional hardball.
The courts aren’t the only mechanism Republicans might use to keep Trump in power. The Constitution gives state legislators free rein to decide how to select electors. Currently, most states legally require electors to vote the same way as the people. But in a state with complete Republican control over the government, the legislature and governor could, in theory, pass a bill that strips this power away from citizens between the election and the actual casting of electoral votes.

And if Trump still refused to go? ". . . imagine some rioting, some civil violence, . . . We just can’t imagine all the possibilities."
 
With the amount of shouting about "voter fraud" and "illegals voting for Dems" that we can hear and read every day, what might happen if Trump refuses to leave the White House?



And if Trump still refused to go? ". . . imagine some rioting, some civil violence, . . . We just can’t imagine all the possibilities."

Doubt it will happen. Trump's judges may screw up the enviornment and make it harder on working people, but they won't cooperate with him on this. Then again, he does claim to have biker gangs on his side.
 
What if the FusionGPS/Russianocrats LOSE AGAIN in 2020, and REFUSE TO CONCEDE....AGAIN?
 
What will the democrats do when Trump whips their ass again in 2020?
 
With the amount of shouting about "voter fraud" and "illegals voting for Dems" that we can hear and read every day, what might happen if Trump refuses to leave the White House?

And if Trump still refused to go? ". . . imagine some rioting, some civil violence, . . . We just can’t imagine all the possibilities."

I wouldn't worry about things that would not likely happen. Very many leftist pundits criticized Trump before the 2016 election because they were sure he would not concede defeat, and when he won it was Hillary and the leftists who had a very hard time conceding. That was ironic.
 
I really can't imagine even today's Republican party or the courts standing with him in such a scenario. If it's a close thing like the 2000 election maybe, but then that's because it's close and there's some legal precedent. If a president just says, I refuse to go, he won't get any backing.

In any case I also don't think Trump will refuse to concede. He'll step down, grumbling how it's all fake news and voter fraud; he'll in other words refuse to 'accept' the results in the sense that he's a sore loser. But he won't use that as a reason to refuse to leave the office. He'll probably be relieved it's over.
 
With the amount of shouting about "voter fraud" and "illegals voting for Dems" that we can hear and read every day, what might happen if Trump refuses to leave the White House?

And if Trump still refused to go? ". . . imagine some rioting, some civil violence, . . . We just can’t imagine all the possibilities."

:roll:

It doesn't work that way.

The election tally is calculated in each State, the Electors are awarded, and Congress confirms the result.

No matter what the seated President might believe, he has no choice because in January 2021 the new Presdident (whomever that may be) will be sworn in by the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS.

Despite what TDS suffering leftists may think, the USA isn't a "banana republic" dictatorship yet. (IMO this despite all their own efforts to turn our nation into one themselves.) :coffeepap:
 
With the amount of shouting about "voter fraud" and "illegals voting for Dems" that we can hear and read every day, what might happen if Trump refuses to leave the White House?



And if Trump still refused to go? ". . . imagine some rioting, some civil violence, . . . We just can’t imagine all the possibilities."

The same thing Hillary did. Create a phony document and a phony story, then sick the FBI and DoJ on some poor slob, using the phone story to get FISA warrants, then use him to get a Special Fisherman appointed. I'm sure the Clinton's will be glad to help the democrats in the hope the Clinton Foundation will get up and running again "to make diplomacy easier". They certainly have practice creating "Facts" out of thin air.
 
Jesus, this again? Trump will win in 2020. Antifa thugs will set **** on fire. Crazy feministas will don vagina tacos and fill the streets of D.C. decrying how horrible Trump is, that bully, blah blah blah I have my period stay out of my uterus.
Hillary will write another book and do Victim Tour II.
 
With the amount of shouting about "voter fraud" and "illegals voting for Dems" that we can hear and read every day, what might happen if Trump refuses to leave the White House?



And if Trump still refused to go? ". . . imagine some rioting, some civil violence, . . . We just can’t imagine all the possibilities."

The more likely scenario,unless the Democrats change their strategy in a hurry, is a Reaganesque type landslide more like what we saw in 1984. I doubt that will shut up all the leftists who still don't accept the results of the 2016 election though. We have survived the rioting and civil violence so far.
 
What will the democrats do when Trump whips their ass again in 2020?

He won't whip any asses. He could win, but they'll be close victories in swing states and the popular vote won't go his way. Though if the Dems play a smart candidate, Trump don't win.
 
:roll:

It doesn't work that way.

The election tally is calculated in each State, the Electors are awarded, and Congress confirms the result.

No matter what the seated President might believe, he has no choice because in January 2021 the new Presdident (whomever that may be) will be sworn in by the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS.

Despite what TDS suffering leftists may think, the USA isn't a "banana republic" dictatorship yet. (IMO this despite all their own efforts to turn our nation into one themselves.) :coffeepap:


You really have that backwards we are the closest to being a banana republic that we ever have.

This administration is the biggest cluster **** ever!

I have always wondered how trump could be such a complete moronic failure that he could bankrupt not one but four casinos. That just takes a very special kind of Incompetence.

Sadly now I know...
 
With the amount of shouting about "voter fraud" and "illegals voting for Dems" that we can hear and read every day, what might happen if Trump refuses to leave the White House?



And if Trump still refused to go? ". . . imagine some rioting, some civil violence, . . . We just can’t imagine all the possibilities."

Concerns 1-3 show the inherent superiority of the current electoral college system-- issues like fraud or a revote become a state issue affecting a state or twoas opposed to the nation as a whole.
 
With the amount of shouting about "voter fraud" and "illegals voting for Dems" that we can hear and read every day, what might happen if Trump refuses to leave the White House?



And if Trump still refused to go? ". . . imagine some rioting, some civil violence, . . . We just can’t imagine all the possibilities."

The Secret Service would remove trump, but Steve Mnuchin is the Secretary of the Treasury, which I believe is the agency under which the secret service resides.

It is therefore quite likely that Steve might refuse to remove trump, as he refuses to turn over trump's tax returns, which were lawfully requested by the house.

It is a possibility Donny might refuse to leave and that Stevie might collaborate to keep him there. At that point, if we'll have to hope the department of defense is patriotic enough to remove him - yes, I'm talking about a military coup.

MAGA, eh, folks?
 
What will the democrats do when Trump whips their ass again in 2020?

Yeah, I think it really paid off for him that he led the racist Birther Movement. He seems to have based almost his entire campaign strategy around attracting and appealing to racists with constant attacks on black and brown skinned people.

The question is, does Trump know his base?

Trump's Midterm Closing Argument: Pure Racial Fear


With racist ad, Trump sinks to a new low



If he does, then he's definitely got a chance in a racist country like the USA. Only time will tell.
 
With the amount of shouting about "voter fraud" and "illegals voting for Dems" that we can hear and read every day, what might happen if Trump refuses to leave the White House?



And if Trump still refused to go? ". . . imagine some rioting, some civil violence, . . . We just can’t imagine all the possibilities."
You guys work hard to make up **** to worry about, don't you?
 
Jesus, this again? Trump will win in 2020. Antifa thugs will set **** on fire. Crazy feministas will don vagina tacos and fill the streets of D.C. decrying how horrible Trump is, that bully, blah blah blah I have my period stay out of my uterus.
Hillary will write another book and do Victim Tour II.

There is no way trump will win.

People are now aware that Russia will try to fix another election, Democrats will not stay home again,he screwed over too many farmers and factory workers, he thinks he has bikers on his side even though most Harley's are now made overseas.

He will not be able to pull 78,000 votes out of his ass again...
 
I really can't imagine even today's Republican party or the courts standing with him in such a scenario. If it's a close thing like the 2000 election maybe, but then that's because it's close and there's some legal precedent. If a president just says, I refuse to go, he won't get any backing.

In any case I also don't think Trump will refuse to concede. He'll step down, grumbling how it's all fake news and voter fraud; he'll in other words refuse to 'accept' the results in the sense that he's a sore loser. But he won't use that as a reason to refuse to leave the office. He'll probably be relieved it's over.

Well, the problem is - once trump isn't president, he's vulnerable to be indicted for crimes he committed before and during his term in office. This would be his main motivation for refusing to leave.
 
With the amount of shouting about "voter fraud" and "illegals voting for Dems" that we can hear and read every day, what might happen if Trump refuses to leave the White House?



And if Trump still refused to go? ". . . imagine some rioting, some civil violence, . . . We just can’t imagine all the possibilities."

Like the Democrats? :lamo
 
Jan 20th, at one minute after 12 noon in 2121, the Secret Service can throw his fat bloated carcas out in the street to make way for his successor.

They will do that using any means necessary including force.
 
The "conservatives" on this forum rather obviously refuse to accept that it has been the donald since Day One who has constantly ranted about voter fraud and illegals voting. Now some of you might think - "The Democraps tried to use Mueller to get rid of Trump, so what if he (Trump) raves about fraud, who cares?"

Then we have this little problem: Electronic Voting: Reliably Unreliable
In the pursuit of increasingly modern and expedient elections, the United States has lost sight of the one quality of elections that is paramount to democracy: reliability. In a world of near-instant results and electronically cast ballots on touchscreen devices, we have lost the essential ability to reliably know that all votes are properly counted.

This is not an issue that is affecting all states and localities in the country equally. The federalist system has allowed 13 states to maintain their own modern approaches to elections that incorporate modern technologies while retaining relative reliability. However, at least 14 other states partially implement unreliable voting systems, and four states have implemented unreliable systems statewide. In a system where national elections are often determined by the results of just one state out of 50 — the infamous presidential election of 2000, for example — the risk of compromising the results of even a single state is a major threat to the reliability of the system as a whole.
 
We just can’t imagine all the possibilities."

LOL!!

Of course, you can imagine all the possibilities. After all, you've had a LOT of practice imagining things for the last 4 years.
 
The "conservatives" on this forum rather obviously refuse to accept that it has been the donald since Day One who has constantly ranted about voter fraud and illegals voting. Now some of you might think

And it's been the Dems who have actually PERPETRATED voter fraud. Heck, look at the midterms. Look at the scheme to negate the electoral college.

All Dems.
 
With the amount of shouting about "voter fraud" and "illegals voting for Dems" that we can hear and read every day, what might happen if Trump refuses to leave the White House?



And if Trump still refused to go? ". . . imagine some rioting, some civil violence, . . . We just can’t imagine all the possibilities."

Trump will complain (correctly) about voter fraud. But the idiots around him will talk him down from any real attempt at holding power.

The Carlson Hypothesis (that Trump is sick of it all and wants to lose) also cannot be dismissed. If true, Trump will still complain, it won’t even want to overturn the results.
 
Well, the problem is - once trump isn't president, he's vulnerable to be indicted for crimes he committed before and during his term in office. This would be his main motivation for refusing to leave.

Even winning won't save him or refusing to leave if the dems take both houses. The GOP would have to orchestrate a complete coup to keep him in. Since he's made an enemy of everyone nobody is willing to completely shred the constitution for that chump.
 
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