What I think we should with illegal immigrants.

[ghost]

I really hate to write this, but, not to be rascist. I would do the same thing to a Englishemen. You get a tall tree, and a short rope, and you kick out the chair from under there feet. I live in Florida, and we are infested with them! They dont know how to speak english, they dont want to speak english. There trying to change our law, and now our anthems. How long are we going to let this go on!

 

[RealmOfThePureForms]

Re: What I think we should with illegal imegrents.

I really hate to write this, but, not to be rascist. I would do the same thing to a Englishemen. You get a tall tree, and a short rope, and you kick out the chair from under there feet. I live in Florida, and we are infested with them! They dont know how to speak english, they dont want to speak english. There trying to change our law, and now our anthems. How long are we going to let this go on!

How long? Well put it this way. When you have tiny lump of cancer, it can be easily removed with little chance of death. Now imagine America as a healthy human body, these people you speak of are the cancer. The leftists who think these people are "good" for our nation are telling America "Don't get rid of the cancer, let it grow until it consumes you".

So what will happen? Well the cancer will grow, and then there will be a civil war in this country. Because the leftists rather than admit they are wrong, decided to defy all of history in their little social experiment and pack America chock full of non-english speaking non-assimilated immigrants.

So like the Roman Empire, and all other empires of the world, we will see America fall in exactly the same way. Through unchecked hostile immigration on our nation until it reaches a breaking point to which there is no return.

 

[ghost]

Re: What I think we should with illegal imegrents.

Well, lets just sell all of our spanish possessions and close down our borders. Sift threw all the illegals, send them back. And then start taking the ones that want to do it the right way. All you got to do is go to an illegal immagrant rally! Like the legals are gonna go to that.

 

[ProZak]

I saw some hispanics protesting the other day and one of them was holding a sign that said "Legelaztion for all" :lol:

Oops. Now I'm hearing that the term "illegal alien" is a racist slur? You have got to be kidding me. Bush needs to put a wall up or put the military on the border. Sadly, I think it's going to take another terrorist attack for action to take place. How did the terrorist get into America? Oh, through Mexico...then the liberals will be screaming why wasn't the border secured and blah blah...because of your idiotic policies!! Duh :doh

 

[ghost]

Okay heres what we should do.

1. Round up all the imagrants.
2. Make then build a wall, with them on the opposite side of America.
3. Give them a day to get away from the wall after there done.
4. If they didnt leave, shoot em.
5. Go on purges of illegals. All shapes, sizes, ethnic backgrounds, and heritage.
6. Send em back.
7. Send the liberals to go live with em.
8. All those who come back after we deport them. Like I said above, get a tall tree and a short rope. Kick the chair out from under em, and make sure they stop breathing. Because force is the only way to get it threw to these people. Illegal is Illegal, if I robbed a bank its illegal. I can go to jail. So why should it be any different for them, they are breaking the law too.

 

[Kandahar]

You folks are absolutely nuts. That is all.

 

[alienken]

I saw some hispanics protesting the other day and one of them was holding a sign that said "Legelaztion for all" :lol:

Oops. Now I'm hearing that the term "illegal alien" is a racist slur? You have got to be kidding me. Bush needs to put a wall up or put the military on the border. Sadly, I think it's going to take another terrorist attack for action to take place. How did the terrorist get into America? Oh, through Mexico...then the liberals will be screaming why wasn't the border secured and blah blah...because of your idiotic policies!! Duh :doh

Yes, when you disagree with a liberal, or go against any in the P.C. crowed, they will find a name to call you. We need to find the Ku Klux Klan and give them a very public forum so people will learn what real racist are like.

 

[vergiss]

I really hate to write this, but, not to be rascist. I would do the same thing to a Englishemen. You get a tall tree, and a short rope, and you kick out the chair from under there feet. I live in Florida, and we are infested with them! They dont know how to speak english, they dont want to speak english. There trying to change our law, and now our anthems. How long are we going to let this go on!

I don't care if you're racist, but you are a bloody psychopath.

Oh, and before you bitch about other people's English, it's "racist", "Englishman", "their", "don't", "they're" and "English" is capitalised. At least they have the excuse of not being a native speaker. :roll:

 

[Jay R]

ghost, ROTPF, ProZak, alienken.
OK, listen up guys. This militant s*** has to stop right now, let me tell you why.

If there is a reasonable and peaceful protest against illegal immigration from law-abiding, tax-paying, middle class Americans then the government and the media will have to start taking notice, no matter how Liberal they are. If that protest is as big or bigger than the pro-immigrant protest then those in charge will have to seriously question the tenability of legalising aliens. And if that protest is enormous, a massive rejection of even the question of giving citizenship to these people, then your government will reject it, no matter what any damn fool celebrity says.

But these protests cannot be based on far-right rhetoric of killing people, ordinary Americans don't want to affiliate with groups and policies that are seen as being racist or fascist, it is contrary to everything they know about their country. Every time you spit this sort of stuff out you are actually damaging your cause, making it less appealing to the ordinary Joe. If you are politically smart you will stick solely to the facts. The immigrants are illegals, they have not applied or been approved for citizenship by the elected bodies that represent the American people, and they are part of an un-taxed black economy, that is not contributing to the social systems they make disproportionate use of.

A minority of white supremacists won't achieve anything, but a majority of ordinary Americans unhappy that any old Pablo become a citizen will slow, stop, or even reverse the policy. Stick to a reasonable line of argument and you will start to see increasing support, because other people will be able to identify with you. You can only fight against the system from outside it, and you can only direct the system from inside it.

I understand your anger at the current events, we have an African and Arab immigrant problem across Europe that is only getting worse, but shouting "kill the damn darkies" is not going to do you any good. Try to win people over, not shout them down.

Lastly get out and do something. Your wasting your time posting on a website as it's practically invisible in political and media terms. No Senators or News Editors turn to DebatePolitics.com for the opinions of Americans to current events. Get out and start protesting, don't play dress-up in Nazi uniforms or carry placards saying you hate Mexico or any other silly s***, just start organising protests among ordinary people. Go door to door (when was the last time you saw a major politician actually get involved with your community? Last time they needed a damn vote that's when.) and just tell people your holding a protest against the plans, start small at a town hall or local church, with just the local paper, then start building up. When you have some real support you can write to your representatives and say "there's a lot of us and we're not gonna stand for this". The c*** will have to listen because he wants to keep that sweet job.

What I'm saying is a reasonable approach now will be more effective to you than a reactionary one. Wielding the big stick has to wait until you have the law and the legislature to back you up, then it's the time to whup pendejo a**es.

 

[ProZak]

ghost, ROTPF, ProZak, alienken.
OK, listen up guys. This militant s*** has to stop right now, let me tell you why.

If there is a reasonable and peaceful protest against illegal immigration from law-abiding, tax-paying, middle class Americans then the government and the media will have to start taking notice, no matter how Liberal they are. If that protest is as big or bigger than the pro-immigrant protest then those in charge will have to seriously question the tenability of legalising aliens. And if that protest is enormous, a massive rejection of even the question of giving citizenship to these people, then your government will reject it, no matter what any damn fool celebrity says.

But these protests cannot be based on far-right rhetoric of killing people, ordinary Americans don't want to affiliate with groups and policies that are seen as being racist or fascist, it is contrary to everything they know about their country. Every time you spit this sort of stuff out you are actually damaging your cause, making it less appealing to the ordinary Joe. If you are politically smart you will stick solely to the facts. The immigrants are illegals, they have not applied or been approved for citizenship by the elected bodies that represent the American people, and they are part of an un-taxed black economy, that is not contributing to the social systems they make disproportionate use of.

A minority of white supremacists won't achieve anything, but a majority of ordinary Americans unhappy that any old Pablo become a citizen will slow, stop, or even reverse the policy. Stick to a reasonable line of argument and you will start to see increasing support, because other people will be able to identify with you. You can only fight against the system from outside it, and you can only direct the system from inside it.

I understand your anger at the current events, we have an African and Arab immigrant problem across Europe that is only getting worse, but shouting "kill the damn darkies" is not going to do you any good. Try to win people over, not shout them down.

Lastly get out and do something. Your wasting your time posting on a website as it's practically invisible in political and media terms. No Senators or News Editors turn to DebatePolitics.com for the opinions of Americans to current events. Get out and start protesting, don't play dress-up in Nazi uniforms or carry placards saying you hate Mexico or any other silly s***, just start organising protests among ordinary people. Go door to door (when was the last time you saw a major politician actually get involved with your community? Last time they needed a damn vote that's when.) and just tell people your holding a protest against the plans, start small at a town hall or local church, with just the local paper, then start building up. When you have some real support you can write to your representatives and say "there's a lot of us and we're not gonna stand for this". The c*** will have to listen because he wants to keep that sweet job.

What I'm saying is a reasonable approach now will be more effective to you than a reactionary one. Wielding the big stick has to wait until you have the law and the legislature to back you up, then it's the time to whup pendejo a**es.

Uh, yeah you see there is a small problem with getting out and doing something about it. You see, I go to college full-time and cannot just go and protest any ol' time I want. And I am pretty sure that the majority of law-abiding citizens cannot as well. Why? Because they have school and work also!! And now I am a white supremacist because I want my borders secured. What a brilliant point. No one is saying "kill the damn darkies" You are obviously watching the bias media over in Europe throw that out at you. What we want is our borders secured from terrorist threats. Now, tell me how else you would do that without having some sort of wall, or a military presence down there?

 

[HighSpeed]

Let the illegal immigrants serve a minimum of 4-8 yrs of service in the military. Once they've done their duties, let them become legal. Its a not a bad idea. Isn't the military having a hard time recruiting and re-enlisting troops on an all time low?

 

[Donkey1499]

I have several ideas:

1: Don't make it so damn easy for em' to get across in the first place. i.e. a "Great Wall of America" would do.

2: Make it illegal for em' to get a job here if they are or were illegal immigrants. Also arrest the employers.

3: Arrest all illegal immigrants who are here now and catapult them back to Mexico. Or just deport them, the catapult is just a fun idea.

4: Anyone caught in the act of crossing the border illegally should be shot dead on the spot, unless a female or a child under 16. (Excellent deterrent!)

5: Make another Branch of the military for the Border Patrol and place them along the Canadian and Mexican Borders. Place the Coast Guard's main duty as it was meant to be. Let the National Guard protect the inland cities and cities not on ports or borders. Also, give them the pay, benefits, and equipment needed to keep a strong Border Patrol, National Guard and Coast Guard.


None of this is too hard, and for more funding just lower welfare and politician's salaries.

 

[Jay R]

Uh, yeah you see there is a small problem with getting out and doing something about it. You see, I go to college full-time and cannot just go and protest any ol' time I want.And I am pretty sure that the majority of law-abiding citizens cannot as well. Why? Because they have school and work also!!

The people protesting today don't work or have family commitments? And you have time to spend sitting posting online, or are you doing that when your supposed to be working? And if you feel so strongly about the wellbeing of your country surely you could, oooh let me think, arrange a day off to voice your opinion in democratic process maybe? :doh

And now I am a white supremacist because I want my borders secured. What a brilliant point. No one is saying "kill the damn darkies"

As I posted, it is vital that rational and reasonable citizens protest in a democratic manner to advocate their opposition and prevent the issue falling into the hands of extremist groups. In case you are unaware(highly likely considering the insular nature of the US populace) Europe has the same issues with Africans and Arabs illegally entering our countries, Britain is one of the worst, our government doesn't have any semblence of control, our Prime Minister has publicly stated he has no idea how many illegals are in the country, last week it emerged that our Home Office has released foreign criminals from our jails into society rather than deporting them. I think I have a pretty good idea of the problems of illegal immigration don't you? I oppose illegal immigration but the only political party that does so is the neo-Nazi fascist BNP, and I don't wish to vote for them. I warned you to take action to advance your cause sensibly rather than let lunatics hi-jack it.
I did not at any point specifically call you a white supremist. I addressed the post to those who had offered an anti-immigration stance and highlighted the danger of allowing said militants, such as ghost here, to dominate it.

Okay heres what we should do.

1. Round up all the imagrants.
2. Make then build a wall, with them on the opposite side of America.
3. Give them a day to get away from the wall after there done.
4. If they didnt leave, shoot em.
5. Go on purges of illegals. All shapes, sizes, ethnic backgrounds, and heritage.
6. Send em back.
7. Send the liberals to go live with em.
8. All those who come back after we deport them. Like I said above, get a tall tree and a short rope. Kick the chair out from under em, and make sure they stop breathing. Because force is the only way to get it threw to these people. Illegal is Illegal, if I robbed a bank its illegal. I can go to jail. So why should it be any different for them, they are breaking the law too.

Feel free to apologise for not understanding.

You are obviously watching the bias media over in Europe throw that out at you.

Actually European media is widely regarded as being commendably impartial, while it is US media that is regularly criticised as being highly biased.

What we want is our borders secured from terrorist threats.

As I've stated I agree with you here and have the same opinion relating to my own country.:roll:

Now, tell me how else you would do that without having some sort of wall, or a military presence down there?

Thats a good idea, and tell me just how are you going to do it? Go to work and rely on ghost to convince the government?:rofl

Typically defensive, Europeans don't understand, stay out of it Limey, blah blah:roll:
I support the damn argument your making! Don't waste my time like this again. Try actually reading next time.

 

[MCS117]

This may sound cruel or evil, but....
We must round up all the illegals and send them back to Mexico or wherever they came from. Then we build a 7ft concrete wall with razor metting on the top. After that, we can add trainees from the military to do field training at the border and locate illegals trying to cross through. If thats not enough, we add machine gun nests that are completely automated and will shoot anything that moves on the mexico side. Also we can add those nests that have overlapping fire so those that cross will be dead before they get 2 feet from the wall.

 

[Jay R]

It wasn't a wholly bad idea, until you got to the guns and automated turrets.
That would involve killing Mexican citizens on Mexican territory, an act of war. To have a policy of opening fire on those illegally crossing the border you would have to concede a strip of US territory to serve as a kind of no-mans land. Build the barrier a couple of hundred meters over the American side and they'll be on your territory when you issue the warning and subsequently open fire, making it all nice and legal, in international law at least. Militarily enforced borders can work technically, see the Korean DMZ, relatively few cross over considering how well the South is doing and what a dump the North is.

 

[ProZak]

The people protesting today don't work or have family commitments? And you have time to spend sitting posting online, or are you doing that when your supposed to be working? And if you feel so strongly about the wellbeing of your country surely you could, oooh let me think, arrange a day off to voice your opinion in democratic process maybe? As I posted, it is vital that rational and reasonable citizens protest in a democratic manner to advocate their opposition and prevent the issue falling into the hands of extremist groups. In case you are unaware(highly likely considering the insular nature of the US populace) Europe has the same issues with Africans and Arabs illegally entering our countries, Britain is one of the worst, our government doesn't have any semblence of control, our Prime Minister has publicly stated he has no idea how many illegals are in the country, last week it emerged that our Home Office has released foreign criminals from our jails into society rather than deporting them. I think I have a pretty good idea of the problems of illegal immigration don't you? I oppose illegal immigration but the only political party that does so is the neo-Nazi fascist BNP, and I don't wish to vote for them. I warned you to take action to advance your cause sensibly rather than let lunatics hi-jack it.
I did not at any point specifically call you a white supremist. I addressed the post to those who had offered an anti-immigration stance and highlighted the danger of allowing said militants, such as ghost here, to dominate it.

Feel free to apologise for not understanding.

Actually European media is widely regarded as being commendably impartial, while it is US media that is regularly criticised as being highly biased.
As I've stated I agree with you here and have the same opinion relating to my own country.:roll:
Thats a good idea, and tell me just how are you going to do it? Go to work and rely on ghost to convince the government?

Typically defensive, Europeans don't understand, stay out of it Limey,
I support the damn argument your making! Don't waste my time like this again. Try actually reading next time.

Haha, but the illegal aliens, that's right illegal aliens, have crappy jobs. It seems to me that it is easier to go out and protest if you have a low paying dirty job. Citizens?? WTF?? Those are illegals protesting also...Have you watched the BBC....?? What does that stand for, British BullCrap?? Arrange a day off and protest something that ILLEGALS are demanding? No thanks, I shouldn't have to. So, in between my classes, I go on for a few minutes and now I'm suppose to organize some national rally? Man, what happen to you Europeans?? You guys used to be tough, especially the British...what happened

 

[vibeeleven]

Thanks for being ignorant. I'd rather not have you on my side.

 

[Jay R]

Haha, but the illegal aliens, that's right illegal aliens, have crappy jobs. It seems to me that it is easier to go out and protest if you have a low paying dirty job.

Yeah, but they're low skilled jobs, you can hire and fire them with no problems and there are plenty more lining up to step in. Your arguing they have better job security than a legal citizen? Come on, even you aren't that stupid.

Citizens?? WTF??

I'm refering to you there idiot. You are, supposedly, the rational and reasonable citizensthat I was urging to take action. Because..

Those are illegals protesting also...Arrange a day off and protest something that ILLEGALS are demanding? No thanks, I shouldn't have to.

...as I'm sure you're aware it's not just illegals protesting, but lots of registered Liberal voters who support an amnesty. So if you don't get off your lazy *** and oppose it, as I've suggested you should, the Liberal support will see it passed. The fact that illegals, non-citizens, are calling for it is irrelevant, the fact that legal citizens are supporting it is definitely something you should be opposing.

So, in between my classes, I go on for a few minutes and now I'm suppose to organize some national rally?

If I had a secret to launching mass national rallies would I really be wasting my time with you? Start small, not even a rally, you're a student? How about a campus meeting to find some like minded people? Who could then join you in organising a town protest. I don't expect you to do anything yourself but there are plenty of others who feel the same as you, just start contacting them, who knows maybe someone else is already planning something and you could help them.

Man, what happen to you Europeans?? You guys used to be tough, especially the British...what happened

We went the same way you did, too f***ing lazy to stand up for ourselves, all sitting here saying "I shouldn't have to do it" and waiting for someone else to take action for us.

Have you watched the BBC....?? What does that stand for, British BullCrap??

It stands for British Broadcasting Corporation, and the coverage wasn't on for long because some retard footballer busted his foot before the World Cup. I had to watch the protests on Fox.

Thanks for being ignorant. I'd rather not have you on my side.

That may be your attitude, but it's your country that's going to gain 12million new citizens.:rofl "Say hello to your little friends"

 

[ProZak]

Okay JamesRichard, let's put this into simple terms that someone like you can understand.
1. Illegals are coming over the border. Most Americans want to put a wall up or have the national guard (military) at the border, not machine gun them down like you wrote.
2. Why should we give a **** about illegals demanding rights they do not have?
Is this simple enough for you??

 

[Jay R]

Okay JamesRichard, let's put this into simple terms that someone like you can understand.

It seems that you're the only one who needs things explained to them nice and simply.

1. Illegals are coming over the border. Most Americans want to put a wall up or have the national guard (military) at the border, not machine gun them down like you wrote.

Like I wrote?! Read back over the thread retard.

If thats not enough, we add machine gun nests that are completely automated and will shoot anything that moves on the mexico side. Also we can add those nests that have overlapping fire so those that cross will be dead before they get 2 feet from the wall.

MCS117 suggested shooting them, I corrected the obvious mistake he'd made with his idea, specifically...

That would involve killing Mexican citizens on Mexican territory, an act of war.

I never said you could do it.

It wasn't a wholly bad idea, until you got to the guns and automated turrets.

Until he got to the guns, once he did the idea was incorrect in the eyes of international law, let alone being ethically untenable. Maybe I shouldn't have assumed you'd be able to draw that conclusion, maybe independant thinking is hard for you.

2. Why should we give a **** about illegals demanding rights they do not have?

:rofl I've never claimed that illegal immigrants were entitled to any rights! I've been arguing precisely against that here and in another thread. You just got all p***ed off when I told you to get off your a** and do something to prevent them gaining such rights.

As previously stated, I SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT!
Is this simple enough for you?

And if you want to quote me then at least get my name right.

 

[ProZak]

It seems that you're the only one who needs things explained to them nice and simply.
Like I wrote?! Read back over the thread retard.
MCS117 suggested shooting them, I corrected the obvious mistake he'd made with his idea, specifically... I never said you could do it.Until he got to the guns, once he did the idea was incorrect in the eyes of international law, let alone being ethically untenable. Maybe I shouldn't have assumed you'd be able to draw that conclusion, maybe independant thinking is hard for you.

I've never claimed that illegal immigrants were entitled to any rights! I've been arguing precisely against that here and in another thread. You just got all p***ed off when I told you to get off your a** and do something to prevent them gaining such rights.

As previously stated, I SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT!
Is this simple enough for you?

And if you want to quote me then at least get my name right.

Duhhhhhhhhh you are a retard!! But, alas, it is my fault JamesRichardS. I should have realized it when you started calling me names at the beginning...Doh!:doh

And for my conclusion, I was able to draw from your posts that you are an idiot!!

Why don't you come back from La-La land:2wave: :2wave: :2wave:

 

[alphieb]

I really hate to write this, but, not to be rascist. I would do the same thing to a Englishemen. You get a tall tree, and a short rope, and you kick out the chair from under there feet. I live in Florida, and we are infested with them! They dont know how to speak english, they dont want to speak english. There trying to change our law, and now our anthems. How long are we going to let this go on!

First of all, you didn't hate writing that and yes you are a racist. Where is your family originally from? Were they not illegal immigrants at one time? Why do you hate the English? Are you Irish?

Why is the immigrants being here hurting you?

 

[Jay R]

Duhhhhhhhhh you are a retard!!
And for my conclusion, I was able to draw from your posts that you are an idiot!!
Why don't you come back from La-La land

Wow, that's your response? If you were done trying to challenge my position you could have at least got back on topic and given an answer to the thread question. But no, beaten down you resort to calling names, too bad. If that's all you got then you aren't worth any more of my time. I own you.

At least you got my name right though.

 

[alienken]

Uh, yeah you see there is a small problem with getting out and doing something about it. You see, I go to college full-time and cannot just go and protest any ol' time I want. And I am pretty sure that the majority of law-abiding citizens cannot as well. Why? Because they have school and work also!! And now I am a white supremacist because I want my borders secured. What a brilliant point. No one is saying "kill the damn darkies" You are obviously watching the bias media over in Europe throw that out at you. What we want is our borders secured from terrorist threats. Now, tell me how else you would do that without having some sort of wall, or a military presence down there?

Yes, I don't have time either.Legislation should not be passed on who has the biggest rally, call and write your congressman.That has always been a problem for us conservatives, we are too busy with work and family to protest.

 

[Jay R]

Yes, I don't have time either.Legislation should not be passed on who has the biggest rally, call and write your congressman.That has always been a problem for us conservatives, we are too busy with work and family to protest.

What's the process from now then? The amnesty has been proposed and I've been told it's a Federal issue so individual states aren't going to have their own decision on it, it'll come down from on high. Who votes to ratify the proposal? Is it possible for you to have a referendum of the voters on the issue?