What has happened to MEN?[W:104]

[Henrin]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

Lucky young men. Back in my day, you had to chase them away with farts and stuff.

Who wants a woman that is used up by the time they're twenty-five? Who wants a woman that uses men to get laid? There is nothing appealing about that. A woman that doesn't even seem to experience bonding from sex is worthless and gross.

 

[calamity]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

That isn't all there is to it.

Well that would certainly make a relationship become toxic but there are other things as well. The most common reason people split up is financial.

Well, clearly.

I do know women that have a tendency to break up with men after a short while. Out of curiosity I asked why they broke up and it's almost always the same reason. He's annoying. Meaning he's needy (I asked and condensing the discussing to just the main point he's needy you know Hou ladies explain things.) The reasons they say that is mostly because the guys they date are always seeking their approval instead of just being themselves. It seems the women I have these discussions with are more interested in a partner than an admirer. Knowing guys as I do, I get the issue. It's just being a man I'm able to communicate with men easier than women are. It's kind of ingesting I've inadvertently helped a couple that is now married happily through a little drunk talk with the husband.

A lot of men are insecure. Their seeking of constant approval would be a clear symptom of that. It manifests in much more dangerous and destructive behavior as well.

 

[calamity]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

Who wants a woman that is used up by the time they're twenty-five? Who wants a woman that uses men to get laid? There is nothing appealing about that. A woman that doesn't even seem to experience bonding from sex is worthless and gross.

Depends on what I am looking for. I can see a benefit to having a "friend" like that.

 

[Henrin]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

Depends on what I am looking for. I can see a benefit to having a "friend" like that.

No offense, but I find your views on the topic absurd. You're the same guy that said he would mutilate himself for a chance at *****, so yeah.

 

[calamity]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

No offense, but I find your views on the topic absurd. You're the same guy that said he would mutilate himself for a chance at *****, so yeah.

No. I said that I would have convinced myself that circumcision had health benefits if by some magic it also gave me a better shot at *****. But, of course, it doesn't. So, it was a stupid point you brought up, both, then and now.

As for having a pure **** buddy--what's wrong with that? I certainly could see huge benefits to having one of those back in my 20's and 30's. Back then, sex came with a lot of strings.

 

[Henrin]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

No, feminism wouldn't have a target without people desperately claiming victim hood. I'm not absolving feminism of its absurdity, but acting like a brat is not acting like a man.

Well, I doubt feminism will ever run out of that. :lol:

First feminism can't meddle with true masculinity. Second complaining is whining and crying. Those aren't manly actions. All feminism is is a war of words. My masculinity can't be threatened by words especially the absurd circus that feminism has become.

They can change how men act over generations quite easily, but changing the behavior of adult men is more difficult and depends on them voluntarily going along with it.

Right, however saying the big scary women are not letting men be masculine is extremely emasculated. They can't stop me.

They are changing how young men act and thus over time change how the larger population of men act.

Feminism is a joke. They are complaining about man spreading and micro aggressions. They are literally making up nonsense to protest. A joke can't hurt masculinity. Now it wasn't in vogue but idiots that suffer trends aren't masculine.

It's hardly a joke. They have accomplished a great deal in the time in existence and done a great amount of harm in the process. Sure their complaints are stupid, but that has never much affected their ability to get successes. Though I doubt they will get much success from their manspreading/mansplaining stuff.

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

A lot of men are insecure. Their seeking of constant approval would be a clear symptom of that. It manifests in much more dangerous and destructive behavior as well.

Insecurities are why relationships don't move forward the majority of marriages end over finance.

 

[calamity]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

Insecurities are why relationships don't move forward the majority of marriages end over finance.

That's odd because few things in life are as costly as a divorce. I always considered our divorce culture to be a symptom of abundance. After all, divorce is a luxury.

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

Well, I doubt feminism will ever run out of that. :lol:

Than your version of masculinity is doomed if it lives and breaths by feminism.

They can change how men act over generations quite easily, but changing the behavior of adult men is more difficult and depends on them voluntarily going along with it.

Than masculinity is nothing if it can just be taught away. I wasn't born with masculinity I was born in the 80s. I saw men that exhibited masculinity and I liked it and decided that was for me. I was a child once not long ago. There were influences on me to be sensitive and artistic. But I bucked that system.

They are changing how young men act and thus over time change how the larger population of men act.

Than whatever masculinity is gone now was weak and pathetic and not masculine in the least.

It's hardly a joke.

When you have clowns dressing like female genitals at a "protest" against God knows what, while an iron aged religous idiot screams Allah akbar and praises sharia law at that same protest it's a joke.

They have accomplished a great deal in the time in existence and done a great amount of harm in the process.

Not to me. I succeeded in an education system that is geared toward girls and women.

Sure their complaints are stupid, but that has never much affected their ability to get successes. Though I doubt they will get much success from their manspreading/mansplaining stuff.

Are you only talking about third wave feminism? Their successes were the right to vote, the ability to work and be paid the same as men. Now it's just absurd. Feminism could be over if you weren't so threatened by it.

A few purple hair lunitics throwing a fit because hillary wasn't elected is all that's left of it. Good lord have you been so busy obsessing about hair to notice that?

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

That's odd because few things in life are as costly as a divorce. I always considered our divorce culture to be a symptom of abundance. After all, divorce is a luxury.

It isn't cheaper to carry dead weight, finance addictions and impulsive spending habits of partners.

 

[calamity]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

Than your version of masculinity is doomed if it lives and breaths by feminism.



Than masculinity is nothing if it can just be taught away. I wasn't born with masculinity I was born in the 80s. I saw men that exhibited masculinity and I liked it and decided that was for me. I was a child once not long ago. There were influences on me to be sensitive and artistic. But I bucked that system.



Than whatever masculinity is gone now was weak and pathetic and not masculine in the least.



When you have clowns dressing like female genitals at a "protest" against God knows what, while an iron aged religous idiot screams Allah akbar and praises sharia law at that same protest it's a joke.

Not to me. I succeeded in an education system that is geared toward girls and women.

Are you only talking about third wave feminism? Their successes were the right to vote, the ability to work and be paid the same as men. Now it's just absurd. Feminism could be over if you weren't so threatened by it.

A few purple hair lunitics throwing a fit because hillary wasn't elected is all that's left of it. Good lord have you been so busy obsessing about hair to notice that?

I sped a lot of my time trying to figure out the common thread in certain alliances on social matters. But, I have to admit, that one still leaves me puzzled.

 

[calamity]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

It isn't cheaper to carry dead weight, finance addictions and impulsive spending habits of partners.

Now, that I get. I'd leave a dug addict, gambler, or shop-aholic in a NY minute, even if it cost me $30 or 40K to walk out the door.

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

I sped a lot of my time trying to figure out the common thread in certain alliances on social matters. But, I have to admit, that one still leaves me puzzled.

Well looking at the left right paradigm it's clear. If you're left all things that are traditional (to one's own culture) are bad. Tradition stands in the way of progress. This is why the left is called progressive. Anything that attacks the tradition of the culture progressives are in is by default good. Being that Islam detests christianity it is therefore progressive and good.

Or the left is so committed to the idea that multiculturalism is great they will eat their own to defend it at all costs.

 

[calamity]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

Well looking at the left right paradigm it's clear. If you're left all things that are traditional (to one's own culture) are bad. Tradition stands in the way of progress. This is why the left is called progressive. Anything that attacks the tradition of the culture progressives are in is by default good. Being that Islam detests christianity it is therefore progressive and good.

Or the left is so committed to the idea that multiculturalism is great they will eat their own to defend it at all costs.

Few things are more traditional and conservative than Islam though. It's like these people are stupid.

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

Now, that I get. I'd leave a dug addict, gambler, or shop-aholic in a NY minute, even if it cost me $30 or 40K to walk out the door.

It's cheaper. Finance is a difficult situation. Most people live pay check to pay check. If you're with a lay about or someone who is too good for the work thay matches their skill set the plug has been pulled you're just watching the tub empty.

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

Few things are less traditional and conservative than Islam though. It's like these people are stupid.

Islam is not at all traditional to western culture. It is profoundly foreign to us.

 

[calamity]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

Islam is not at all traditional to western culture. It is profoundly foreign to us.

It's anathema to liberalism though. Making a deal with Islam because you're threatened by modern Christianity is like cutting off your hand because your finger hurts.

 

[calamity]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

It's cheaper. Finance is a difficult situation. Most people live pay check to pay check. If you're with a lay about or someone who is too good for the work thay matches their skill set the plug has been pulled you're just watching the tub empty.

It's very expensive, especially if you have kids. Almost a sure fire way for one or both parents to end up in poverty too.

We used to call it the crash-burn effect. Reasonably successful team as a couple gets divorced, he falls to drink and carousing, gets a DUI, loses his job and she winds up on public assistance. It happened often enough that we noticed the pattern.

 

[Henrin]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

Few things are more traditional and conservative than Islam though. It's like these people are stupid.

I wouldn't call that crap conservative, just abusive and retarded. Seriously, the religion is a fraud and was largely created from copying from other religions. I would however say I'm more interested in the growing amount of feminists converting to Islam. I still contend that is a result of men becoming undesirable and these women looking for what they want.

 

[calamity]

Re: What has happened to MEN?

I wouldn't call that crap conservative, just abusive and retarded. Seriously, the religion is a fraud and was largely created from copying from other religions. I would however say I'm more interested in the growing amount of feminists converting to Islam. I still contend that is a result of men becoming undesirable and these women looking for what they want.

It's conservative by the very definition of the word: anathema to change, anti-progressive.

 

[EvaPeron]

I've been going to one of these neighborhood fitness places since my job has become mostly sitting at a desk after 35 years as a blue collar working person. I'm about 10 lbs overweight and it seems like I cannot cut back enough on my food portions to compensate so I'm now working out 5 days a week.

I've gotten to know some of the guys down there a little, just shoot the breeze a little before and after ect. I noticed this young kid, probably 21 or so doing this odd workout. Running on the treadmill full out with it set on it's steepest angle. It looks like a nightmare to me. And then he rests for 10 mins or so and goes back at it. I mean he really hits it. I asked him if he's a hockey player or something, figuring he working on his explosive energy or short speed burst ability. Something my boys would have done when they were playing hockey. He says "no, I'm trying to shape my butt"

I stopped in my tracks and looked at him and said before I could bite my tongue "WTF dude, do I look like the kind of guy you want to say something like that to?" And all these people burst out laughing.

Holy crap, what has happened to men? I can't take it:doh

Thank you for making me laugh and please stop watching that young man work on his man buns. I bet you, like me, thought a "coming out party" meant learning the future sex of your best friends Baby.

 

[CLAX1911]

Thank you for making me laugh and please stop watching that young man work on his man buns. I bet you, like me, thought a "coming out party" meant learning the future sex of your best friends Baby.

Funny, when someone says man bun this is what I think of.

People have a party for coming out? It seems like quite a personal thing to me.

 

[coldjoint]

Good article and on topic. Some of the language is rough.
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Testosterone levels have been plummeting in Western men for at least two generations and this fact is without question. I will speculate in this post what a multigenerational, age-independent decline in T will portend for American society, should the trend not shortly reverse itself.

 

[year2late]

I've been going to one of these neighborhood fitness places since my job has become mostly sitting at a desk after 35 years as a blue collar working person. I'm about 10 lbs overweight and it seems like I cannot cut back enough on my food portions to compensate so I'm now working out 5 days a week.

I've gotten to know some of the guys down there a little, just shoot the breeze a little before and after ect. I noticed this young kid, probably 21 or so doing this odd workout. Running on the treadmill full out with it set on it's steepest angle. It looks like a nightmare to me. And then he rests for 10 mins or so and goes back at it. I mean he really hits it. I asked him if he's a hockey player or something, figuring he working on his explosive energy or short speed burst ability. Something my boys would have done when they were playing hockey. He says "no, I'm trying to shape my butt"

I stopped in my tracks and looked at him and said before I could bite my tongue "WTF dude, do I look like the kind of guy you want to say something like that to?" And all these people burst out laughing.

Holy crap, what has happened to men? I can't take it:doh

You are acting like a man at the peak of physical fitness is a bad thing.

 

[CLAX1911]

You are acting like a man at the peak of physical fitness is a bad thing.

It may be that the fellow really had a great ass.