What Happened to Democrats?

[substantialmajestic]

When I was in school, back in the pre-dawn of history, I was a Democrat.

In general, we were opposed to oppression from "The Man" in whatever form "The Man" assumed.

Today, Democrats are toady followers dedicated to the proposition that bigger government is better government, submission is wonderful and self determination and self reliance is despised.

In general, today, I feel pretty much as I felt when in school. When did the Democrat Party turn from being a Pride of Lions to being a Flock of Sheep?

Why are Democrats so willing, actually anxious, to deny their own worth and ability and submit to anyone offering something for nothing?

It seems odd.

The only way I can rationalize it is that maybe some people who claimed to be against authority were actually just against not being in power themselves. Once they held power, they liked having the power more than they knew they would?

In other words, are anti-authority protests just things people use to achieve power?

I realize that I do not like overbearing authority no matter which kind of ideologists are imposing it.

 

[Roger Duke]

When I was in school, back in the pre-dawn of history, I was a Democrat.

In general, we were opposed to oppression from "The Man" in whatever form "The Man" assumed.

Today, Democrats are toady followers dedicated to the proposition that bigger government is better government, submission is wonderful and self determination and self reliance is despised.

In general, today, I feel pretty much as I felt when in school. When did the Democrat Party turn from being a Pride of Lions to being a Flock of Sheep?

Why are Democrats so willing, actually anxious, to deny their own worth and ability and submit to anyone offering something for nothing?

It seems odd.

I used to be a Democrat. The party has gone completely off the rails. Every time a new politically correct wind blows they drop what they are doing and jump on it because they don't know how to think for themselves. They just follow the rules laid down by woke liberal politicians and Hollywood stars who tell them where to go, what to think and how to act. I've never seen such a mindless bunch of sheep.

 

[code1211]

You posit a formula for spending without saying why politicians should have to adhere to it, why it "should have happened." Why are they damned if the public doesn't object, and continues to ask for benefits, military jobs, and re-elect the thieves?

To get their attention, an ACTUAL insurrection is probably required.

536 lying thieves hanged outside the Capitol might create a suitable wake up call.

Crucifixion might deliver a similar message in an even stronger way, but crucifixion seems to have passed out of style.

Something like this would likely require either an actual revolt against the lying thieves or a Constitutional Amendment.

As long as the lying thieves are the lying thieves AND they control the way things work, they will continue to lie and steal.

And they will continue to lie about how much they steal.

 

[code1211]

So, if the KKK wants to host a rally on your front lawn, you feel both morally and legally obligated to let them?

I'd argue that antivax disinformation is clearly a danger posed to others due to its nature.

My property rights are my property rights. Allowing ANY rally on my front lawn is not going to be permitted.

What an asinine and stupid statement.

The vaccine debate is a perfect example of the treachery of the control of information.

The actual facts of the debate are withheld from most and the goals have presented as if they are facts.

Justification for getting fully vaccinated has changed over the course of the last year or so.

In March of 2021, the sell was: "If you get the vaccine, you can't get the virus and can't spread the Virus".

Since then, the sell has changed to "If you get the vaccine you probably won't die when you catch the virus".

Now Fauci is saying that everyone will catch the virus.

Additionally, the folks most threatened are elderly, over weight and infirm. If you are fit, young and healthy, you are are almost not susceptible at all.

That is, until Omicron. After the advent of Omicron, vaccinated or not, mask wearing or not, your chances of contracting the virus increased by about 10 times.

But deaths did not keep pace. Go figure. The Omicron wave, like every other Covid Wave, started, rose, peaked and is now falling.

Vaccines in the past have been shown to have odd side effects and young females who are fit, young and healthy have justifiable concerns about the after effects that are not known and not knowable regarding their upcoming pregnancies.

Your blind acceptance using faith based allegiance to dogmatic demands from authority do not create or diminish actual, real world threats that create concerns.

 

[Deuce]

My property rights are my property rights. Allowing ANY rally on my front lawn is not going to be permitted.

What an asinine and stupid statement.

Well, I have news for you:

Twitter and Facebook also have property rights.

 

[code1211]

The only way I can rationalize it is that maybe some people who claimed to be against authority were actually just against not being in power themselves. Once they held power, they liked having the power more than they knew they would?

In other words, are anti-authority protests just things people use to achieve power?

I realize that I do not like overbearing authority no matter which kind of ideologists are imposing it.

I just don't like authority that is oppressive. That is to say, oppressing me, or annoying me by their incapabilities and incompetence.

When I have been charged to wield authority as an elected officer of a club or organization, I have regarded it both as a sacred trust and heavy responsibility from which I will run as fast as possible given the chance.

The folks who want power and covet it are generally the most corrupt and corrupting butt holes you will ever find and loathsome and disgusting reprobates with no ethics, honesty or integrity.

Of course, I could be wrong.

 

[code1211]

I used to be a Democrat. The party has gone completely off the rails. Every time a new politically correct wind blows they drop what they are doing and jump on it because they don't know how to think for themselves. They just follow the rules laid down by woke liberal politicians and Hollywood stars who tell them where to go, what to think and how to act. I've never seen such a mindless bunch of sheep.

You seem to be on the fence.

 

[Nickyjo]

To get their attention, an ACTUAL insurrection is probably required.

536 lying thieves hanged outside the Capitol might create a suitable wake up call.

Crucifixion might deliver a similar message in an even stronger way, but crucifixion seems to have passed out of style.

Something like this would likely require either an actual revolt against the lying thieves or a Constitutional Amendment.

As long as the lying thieves are the lying thieves AND they control the way things work, they will continue to lie and steal.

And they will continue to lie about how much they steal.

Why don't you just campaign on a platform to do away with everything you dislike. Pick a date. If your objections started with the creation of national parks, then everything forward from there, all the pols who support the parks budgets could be eliminated. Or did the thieves start stealing with the New Deal? LBJ's Great Society programs? The ACA! Merely ranting about "lying thieves" won't get anyone hanged.

 

[code1211]

Well, I have news for you:

Twitter and Facebook also have property rights.

Why did you amputate a shred of a thought and present it as if it was the complete thought?

 

[code1211]

Why don't you just campaign on a platform to do away with everything you dislike. Pick a date. If your objections started with the creation of national parks, then everything forward from there, all the pols who support the parks budgets could be eliminated. Or did the thieves start stealing with the New Deal? LBJ's Great Society programs? The ACA! Merely ranting about "lying thieves" won't get anyone hanged.

Judging by the words from the Founders and the Amendments demanded by the Framers, they also felt that politicians were lying thieves and needed to be restrained.

This is nothing new. In ancient Rome, the politicians were considered to be lying thieves.

However, the current group of lying thieves is particularly brazen and even more corrupt than their predecessors through the long and corrupt history of the lying thieves afflicting the rest of us.

No matter who you are, you just gotta be impressed by the additional $25 Trillion in debt rung up by the modern day lying thieves since 1999.

Well... Maybe not...

Does the additional $25 Trillion in debt added since 1999 concern you at all in any way?

 

[ataraxia]

Hate filled, elitist, dismissive and accusatory.

You must still be a Democrat.

Yes. We must learn love, inclusiveness, grace, listening carefully and openly to the other side, and being a true gentleman from our Republican friends.

 

[Nickyjo]

Judging by the words from the Founders and the Amendments demanded by the Framers, they also felt that politicians were lying thieves and needed to be restrained.

This is nothing new. In ancient Rome, the politicians were considered to be lying thieves.

However, the current group of lying thieves is particularly brazen and even more corrupt than their predecessors through the long and corrupt history of the lying thieves afflicting the rest of us.

No matter who you are, you just gotta be impressed by the additional $25 Trillion in debt rung up by the modern day lying thieves since 1999.

Well... Maybe not...

Does the additional $25 Trillion in debt added since 1999 concern you at all in any way?

You still haven’t noted which spending you object to. As to the debt, it could be cut, if it needs to be, I assume, through a combo of higher taxes and cutting pending.

 

[Deuce]

Why did you amputate a shred of a thought and present it as if it was the complete thought?

The rest was a tangent not relevant to the discussion of property rights. It was a rant about your personal opinion regarding vaccines. I'm not interested in debating your impression of what the covid data says.

 

[code1211]

Yes. We must learn love, inclusiveness, grace, listening carefully and openly to the other side, and being a true gentleman from our Republican friends.

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There are bad apples everywhere.

Why are you presenting examples of people I don't know, have never met and don't care to meet or know while you are conversing with me?

Short attention span?

 

[code1211]

You still haven’t noted which spending you object to. As to the debt, it could be cut, if it needs to be, I assume, through a combo of higher taxes and cutting pending.

Which spending needs to be cut? None of it. ALL of it should grow ONLY at the rate of inflation defined by the Feds as they establish the COLA for Social Security recipients each year.

If this had been done using the 1999 Federal outlays at the base, Federal Outlays in 2020 would have been 2.633 Trillion dollars. that's lot of money.

What was actually spent in 2020 was 6.550 Trillion. The difference is the annual theft by the lying thieves.

If Federal Spending had increased by only the rate of inflation that the Feds recognize, we would have no debt and in fact would have a surplus of more than 7 Trillion dollars today.

If we used 2022 as the base line and limited the growth of Federal Spending to the rate of inflation going forward, in 20 years we would likely find we had evaporated the debt by posting surpluses in most years.

One good approach would be to issue wage increases only to people working in departments that posted cost reductions.

Any wage increase they receive would be limited to the rate of inflation which would be the top end cap. Zero wage increase if no departmental cost reduction was posted.

 

[code1211]

The rest was a tangent not relevant to the discussion of property rights. It was a rant about your personal opinion regarding vaccines. I'm not interested in debating your impression of what the covid data says.

Wouldn't know. I didn't read you post.

 

[Jay59]

Yes. We must learn love, inclusiveness, grace, listening carefully and openly to the other side, and being a true gentleman from our Republican friends.

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That used to be the Democrat's base.

Just Sayin'.

 

[Jay Falcon]

What happened to Republicans? Why did they become Trumpers, insurrectionists and traitors?

 

[ataraxia]

There are bad apples everywhere.

Why are you presenting examples of people I don't know, have never met and don't care to meet or know while you are conversing with me?

Short attention span?

"People I don't know'" my foot. That kind of rudeness and offensiveness was the hallmark and defining characteristic of the entire Trump movment. You put the head bad apple at the head of the table. There has never been a president of the United States more foul-mouthed, loud, rude, aggressive, offensive, hateful, and ignorant as Trump. In fact, wasn't that his selling point? You liked it so much you want an encore. He is the one that got the other crazies all stirred up. This is official campaign material for a US president, endorsed by the Trump campaign, and sold like hotcakes. It's not a bug- it's a feature; the defining feature.

 

[ataraxia]

That used to be the Democrat's base.

Just Sayin'.

Sure, until LBJ gave blacks the right to vote. That was a bridge too far, and they were never going to forgive the Democrats for that.

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."
-Kevin Philips, Chief campaign strategist to Richard Nixon, 1970

 

[Jay59]

What happened to Republicans? Why did they become Trumpers, insurrectionists and traitors?

They didn't. That's just what the media cult preaches.

Sure, until LBJ gave blacks the right to vote. That was a bridge too far, and they were never going to forgive the Democrats for that.

Do you mean back when LBJ turned to Republicans because the Democrats would not support the bill?

Who is they? Do you mean that Democrats will never forgive Republicans for passing the Voting Rights Act?

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."
-Kevin Philips, Chief campaign strategist to Richard Nixon, 1970

And you complain about things getting out of date.

 

[ataraxia]

Do you mean back when LBJ turned to Republicans because the Democrats would not support the bill?

Who is they? Do you mean that Democrats will never forgive Republicans for passing the Voting Rights Act?

Yes, you absolutely finally got it. That's when they started leaving the Democrat party in disgust and never looked back. It was never really about taxes or other concrete domestic or foreign policy issues. Those were all a front (as the GOP's platform has now become fully open about it: our platform is whatever Trump says). All that nonsense about states' rights, fiscal responsibility, small government, the divine virtues of pure unbridled and unregulated capitalism... ha! It was always really ultimately about the racism- at least for the rank and file new Republican voter. For the ruling class of the party, it was always just about cutting their own personal income taxes, on the backs of the rubes their were exploiting if they had to. They had just found a clever way to exploit that. It all worked out for both sides of the GOP.

Lee Atwater, senior GOP political strategist and Reagan's chief campaign advisor, explains how well that strategy worked (in this interview 10 years later):

____________________________
Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry Dent and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [Reagan] doesn't have to do that anymore. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he's campaigned on since 1964 [...] and that's fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, states' rights, you know, the whole cluster...

Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

Atwater: Y'all don't quote me on this. You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."

Southern strategy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Jay59]

Yes, you absolutely finally got it: that is indeed the case. That's when they started leaving the Democrat party in disgust and never looked back. It was never really about taxes or other such issues. Those were all a front (as the GOP's platform has now become fully open about it: our platform is whatever Trump says). All that nonsense about states' rights, fiscal responsibility, small government... ha! It was always really ultimately about the racism- at least for the rank and file new Republican voter. For the ruling class of the party, they just found a way to cleverly exploit that to cut taxes to their donors.

Lee Atwater, senior GOP political strategist and Reagan's chief campaign advisor, explains how well that strategy worked (in this interview 10 years later):

____________________________
Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry Dent and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [Reagan] doesn't have to do that anymore. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he's campaigned on since 1964 [...] and that's fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, states' rights, you know, the whole cluster...

Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

Atwater: Y'all don't quote me on this. You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."

Southern strategy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I was wondering how long it would take the boogie man to appear. The Southern Strategy is a Wiki reference and of no more import than that. It is not as if anyone used it as a roadmap.

Don't use the N word. People find it offensive.

 

[rickc]

My comment on this thread is

It is a great example of how well right wing media had indoctrinated its audience.

Right wing propaganda is very effective

 

[Bullseye]

My comment on this thread is

It is a great example of how well right wing media had indoctrinated its audience.

Right wing propaganda is very effective

And this post demonstrates how well LW media propaganda works - because they told you this and you believe them.