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What does Kim Jong-in want?

MaggieD

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Drove for two hours today. I was thinking about this guy, and can't for the life of me figure out what his end game is. What do you suppose he wants?

Is his regime in danger? Does he need to look powerful to his people? I doubt that, since if they didn't like him and expressed that, I'm sure they'd quietly disappear.

He knows he's a paper tiger, right? What do you suppose his motives are?
 
MaggieD said:
Drove for two hours today. I was thinking about this guy, and can't for the life of me figure out what his end game is. What do you suppose he wants?

Is his regime in danger? Does he need to look powerful to his people? I doubt that, since if they didn't like him and expressed that, I'm sure they'd quietly disappear.

He knows he's a paper tiger, right? What do you suppose his motives are?
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He wants a hug

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MaggieD said:
Drove for two hours today. I was thinking about this guy, and can't for the life of me figure out what his end game is. What do you suppose he wants?

Is his regime in danger? Does he need to look powerful to his people? I doubt that, since if they didn't like him and expressed that, I'm sure they'd quietly disappear.

He knows he's a paper tiger, right? What do you suppose his motives are?
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He wants to be respected and treated like any other leader in the world and be allowed to trade with all other nations when where and how he wants, rather than being ostracized and kept out of the world of nations and kept under the boot of international sanctions, while being allowed by the rest of the world to continue to maintain his power and stranglehold over the people of his country as a dictator and despot tyrant - be invited to sit with the cool kids at lunch. Since that's not going to happen given his and his family having the blood of his people on their hands, his only viable option is to threaten everyone if they don't give him what he wants - if he can't eat lunch with them, he'll just threaten to beat up the kids (nukes) while he steals the other kids lunch money (gets the sanctions lifted for humanitarian aid - food, medicine, etc.).
 
Beaudreaux said:
He wants to be respected and treated like any other leader in the world and be allowed to trade with all other nations when where and how he wants, rather than being ostracized and kept out of the world of nations and kept under the boot of international sanctions, while being allowed by the rest of the world to continue to maintain his power and stranglehold over the people of his country as a dictator and despot tyrant - be invited to sit with the cool kids at lunch. Since that's not going to happen given his and his family having the blood of his people on their hands, his only viable option is to threaten everyone if they don't give him what he wants - if he can't eat lunch with them, he'll just threaten beat up the kids (nukes) while he steals the other kids lunch money (gets the sanctions lifted for humanitarian aid - food, medicine, etc.).
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Pretty much nailed it.
 
MaggieD said:
Drove for two hours today. I was thinking about this guy, and can't for the life of me figure out what his end game is. What do you suppose he wants?

Is his regime in danger? Does he need to look powerful to his people? I doubt that, since if they didn't like him and expressed that, I'm sure they'd quietly disappear.

He knows he's a paper tiger, right? What do you suppose his motives are?
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All those nukes, he is not a paper tiger. If attacked he will use them. In a conventional war he is outclassed.
NK started their nuke program about 3 years after seeing the US take out Grenada. They realized the only way to stop an invasion was having nukes.
 
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I think he wants to stay in a position of safety & extortion.

He extorts food for his people from China, money from the states, respect from Russia, and protection through fear from South Korea.

He has no reasons to give up his nukes, since not only do the nukes give him protection, gravitas, and a place and voice on the world stage, but he also can see the example of Khadafi giving up his nukes only to meet his demise. His nukes are all he has, and he's going to continuously saber rattle to remain relevant and protected.
 
MaggieD said:
Drove for two hours today. I was thinking about this guy, and can't for the life of me figure out what his end game is. What do you suppose he wants?

Is his regime in danger? Does he need to look powerful to his people? I doubt that, since if they didn't like him and expressed that, I'm sure they'd quietly disappear.

He knows he's a paper tiger, right? What do you suppose his motives are?
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Food, tractor parts, some sanction, or another to be lifted, someone to agree that he has a big dick.
 
MaggieD said:
Drove for two hours today. I was thinking about this guy, and can't for the life of me figure out what his end game is. What do you suppose he wants?

Is his regime in danger? Does he need to look powerful to his people? I doubt that, since if they didn't like him and expressed that, I'm sure they'd quietly disappear.

He knows he's a paper tiger, right? What do you suppose his motives are?
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The illusion of safety. Eventually, we will either find a way to disable his chem. artillery batteries or we'll find a way to get at him from the inside. With this kind of saber-rattling, he gets to feel safe, since there are people out there who will be intimidated by his empty threats and will fight to stop any of these kind of efforts. He is depending the weak wills of certain people to protect him from those with stronger wills. I think that he sees the fact that his mini-dynasty has an end in sight and he's scrambling to protect/extend it as long as possible. If NK goes down, Kim will end up either dead or a permanent guest of China - neither of which is palatable to him in any way. So he's dong everything he can to make himself look as big and bad as possible to forestall the inevitable as long as possible.
 
He's treated basically as a god.
He'd like it to stay that way.
The party leadership are treated like the chosen ones.
They too would like it to stay that way.

They use every trick in the book to keep the population from uprising against them. They appear to be one of the most effective examples of a nightmare authoritarian regime that has to-date prevented collapse and rebellion.

As to what he's trying to do tactically, it's become a nuclear power, in order to ensure it's long-term persistence in power. NK looks around the world at all the other nations that didn't have nukes that the U.S. opposed, and they all had regime changes due to CIA operations, full scale invasions, or proxy war invasions, coups, etc. Those that reached nuclear arms, we've mostly left alone. So they want to be in the nuclear arms club. It's like a professor that wants to get tenure in a terrible analogy :)
 
Here my problem with this notion that if we have nukes everyone else is entitled to have them too.

We got them first and we put them on full display in japan. That rightly scared the hell out of the global community. The world became even scarier weehen the ussr tried to keep pace. The world community begged us to ratchet down the arms race and we did. Now we are suppose to accept other nations developing nukes while we are told no more.

Heres what i am in favor of announcing to the world that we will build ten nukes in response to everyone they build and we are going to build enough nuclear subamarines to house and launch them from every ocean on the planet or they can cut the bull****e and outlaw everyone from building anymore.

Then we can talk about disarming the ones that exist. Ild make it a non-negotiable position. I would threaten to make global warming a reality

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I have always suspected he wants to blackmail the rest of the world powers into subsidizing his nation with large gifts of foreign aid elevating his nation beyond any status that he can achieve through normal means. His schtick is basically "give me money or I will crap in your punch bowl". And he sees the nukes as the way to get that.
 
Beaudreaux said:
He wants to be respected and treated like any other leader in the world and be allowed to trade with all other nations when where and how he wants, rather than being ostracized and kept out of the world of nations and kept under the boot of international sanctions, while being allowed by the rest of the world to continue to maintain his power and stranglehold over the people of his country as a dictator and despot tyrant - be invited to sit with the cool kids at lunch. Since that's not going to happen given his and his family having the blood of his people on their hands, his only viable option is to threaten everyone if they don't give him what he wants - if he can't eat lunch with them, he'll just threaten to beat up the kids (nukes) while he steals the other kids lunch money (gets the sanctions lifted for humanitarian aid - food, medicine, etc.).
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We should do high altitude airdrops of food and other necessities they're short of.

All emblazoned with messages in Korean saying "From your friends in America!"
 
MaggieD said:
Drove for two hours today. I was thinking about this guy, and can't for the life of me figure out what his end game is. What do you suppose he wants?

Is his regime in danger? Does he need to look powerful to his people? I doubt that, since if they didn't like him and expressed that, I'm sure they'd quietly disappear.

He knows he's a paper tiger, right? What do you suppose his motives are?
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...and to cling to power.
 
Power, notoriety, and time honored cash, oil, and food bribes are the standard tradestock when dealing with North Korean leaders named 'Kim'.
 
MaggieD said:
Drove for two hours today. I was thinking about this guy, and can't for the life of me figure out what his end game is. What do you suppose he wants?

Is his regime in danger? Does he need to look powerful to his people? I doubt that, since if they didn't like him and expressed that, I'm sure they'd quietly disappear.

He knows he's a paper tiger, right? What do you suppose his motives are?
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He wants a massive pay off to drop his nuclear program. Go full hilt until the world offers him trillions of dollars in an extortion payoff to end his programs. He uses a few trillion to make his people adore him and he keeps 90% of those trillions for himself. He's like a Lex Luther or some other comic book villain but these are not the comics. This is for real.
 
haymarket said:
I have always suspected he wants to blackmail the rest of the world powers into subsidizing his nation with large gifts of foreign aid elevating his nation beyond any status that he can achieve through normal means. His schtick is basically "give me money or I will crap in your punch bowl". And he sees the nukes as the way to get that.
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Exactly. But ----- you seem to be in favor of letting him accomplish this.
 
What if...? said:
We should do high altitude airdrops of food and other necessities they're short of.

All emblazoned with messages in Korean saying "From your friends in America!"
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I'm sure we will, if military hostilities begin. We did that in Iraq, Sudan, East Timor and other locations around the world, even after floods and typhoons like we did in the Philippines. However, I keep seeing in my head a picture reminiscent of the Wicked Witch of the East from the movie The Wizard of Oz, except with CNN showing a picture of a poor North Korean villager dead under a pallet that fell on him from the sky, with "From your friends in America!" printed all over it.

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Beaudreaux said:
He wants to be respected and treated like any other leader in the world and be allowed to trade with all other nations when where and how he wants, rather than being ostracized and kept out of the world of nations and kept under the boot of international sanctions, while being allowed by the rest of the world to continue to maintain his power and stranglehold over the people of his country as a dictator and despot tyrant - be invited to sit with the cool kids at lunch. Since that's not going to happen given his and his family having the blood of his people on their hands, his only viable option is to threaten everyone if they don't give him what he wants - if he can't eat lunch with them, he'll just threaten to beat up the kids (nukes) while he steals the other kids lunch money (gets the sanctions lifted for humanitarian aid - food, medicine, etc.).
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Except, the method he is using to try to normalized relationship with the countries outside of NK has been counter productive. When he first became the leader, there was a great window of opportunity to open up North Korea, and modernize it. Instead, he acted like a paranoid tin plated ego driven dictator, and alienated any potential ally.
 
RAMOSS said:
Except, the method he is using to try to normalized relationship with the countries outside of NK has been counter productive. When he first became the leader, there was a great window of opportunity to open up North Korea, and modernize it. Instead, he acted like a paranoid tin plated ego driven dictator, and alienated any potential ally.
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Agreed, but I thought that was what I said, just using different words. Sorry I wasn't more clear.
 
Moderate Right said:
Exactly. But ----- you seem to be in favor of letting him accomplish this.
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Where do you get an impression like that from?

I agreed with your post where you basically said the same thing I did. But why do you think I want him to accomplish this?
 
ANSWER: Respect for the UTOPIA they have made.
 
Mach said:
He's treated basically as a god.
He'd like it to stay that way.
The party leadership are treated like the chosen ones.
They too would like it to stay that way.

They use every trick in the book to keep the population from uprising against them. They appear to be one of the most effective examples of a nightmare authoritarian regime that has to-date prevented collapse and rebellion.

As to what he's trying to do tactically, it's become a nuclear power, in order to ensure it's long-term persistence in power. NK looks around the world at all the other nations that didn't have nukes that the U.S. opposed, and they all had regime changes due to CIA operations, full scale invasions, or proxy war invasions, coups, etc. Those that reached nuclear arms, we've mostly left alone. So they want to be in the nuclear arms club. It's like a professor that wants to get tenure in a terrible analogy :)
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this....
 
MaggieD said:
Drove for two hours today. I was thinking about this guy, and can't for the life of me figure out what his end game is. What do you suppose he wants?

Is his regime in danger? Does he need to look powerful to his people? I doubt that, since if they didn't like him and expressed that, I'm sure they'd quietly disappear.

He knows he's a paper tiger, right? What do you suppose his motives are?
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I am not sure what he wants. What he needs is his diaper changed.
 
MaggieD said:
Drove for two hours today. I was thinking about this guy, and can't for the life of me figure out what his end game is. What do you suppose he wants?

Is his regime in danger? Does he need to look powerful to his people? I doubt that, since if they didn't like him and expressed that, I'm sure they'd quietly disappear.

He knows he's a paper tiger, right? What do you suppose his motives are?
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He's ron-ree.
 
JANFU said:
All those nukes, he is not a paper tiger. If attacked he will use them. In a conventional war he is outclassed.
NK started their nuke program about 3 years after seeing the US take out Grenada. They realized the only way to stop an invasion was having nukes.
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I am still amazed by all the leftwingers who seem to think that tin pot dictators getting nukes makes them invincible or on par with major military superpowers like the US. Having nukes would make North Korea more likely to be invaded....not less likely. If North Korea does successfully mount a nuclear warhead onto their ICBM,s they will be crude compared to the nuclear arsenel the US has. Just one Trident submarine firing nukes could turn North Korea into a big hole in the ground in a matter of minutes. And chances are, anything NK fires at the US can be destroyed in flight. If it goes to a hot war, we can likely blow them up on the launch pad. And you are quite confused about Grenada. We did not take out Grenada. We liberated them from the Cubans
 
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