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What do you think are the capabilities of man caused climate change?

Gateman_Wen said:
Climate change is a well proven fact. Deal with it.

Now, can you prove your assertions or not?
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Of course climate change is as well proven fact. Its the alleged human culpability for it thats in question

I only have facts not assertions
 
Deuce said:
You think it's plausible humanity will be carbon-neutral in 15 years? I don't.
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I think we could be doing carbon neutral fuel in 5 years.
Once we pass the price point, people will buy whatever is cheapest and still gets the job done.
Some airlines could start mixing carbon neutral fuels in the next year.
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ExxonMobil plans to provide more than 40,000 barrels per day of
lower-emission fuels by 2025, and has a further goal of 200,000 barrels per day by 2030.
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Gateman_Wen said:
Look up "Venus runaway greenhouse effect".
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Look up how far Venus is from the Sun and it's rotation period?
Keep in mind CO2 kind of requires carbon, and there is a finite supply of naturally stored hydrocarbon fuels.
 
Gateman_Wen said:
Venus is the upper limit to global warming.
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Care to explain the science as to how that could happen to earth?

Do you realize that the earth is about 0.0413% CO2 and Venus is 96.5%? Venus has about 2,300 times the concentration of CO2. Then on top of that, the atmospheric pressure is 92 times that of earth. This places a column of the atmosphere on Venus as having almost 22,000 times the CO2 as we find in in a column of atmosphere on earth.

One of the dead giveaways I see people use to prove their lack of such sciences is citing Venus like you did.
 
longview said:
I think we could be doing carbon neutral fuel in 5 years.
Once we pass the price point, people will buy whatever is cheapest and still gets the job done.
Some airlines could start mixing carbon neutral fuels in the next year.
Exxon L AU N C H I N G T H E L O W C A R B O N S O L U T I O N S B U S I N E S S
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Sorry Longview. I agree with Deuce on that. Too many logistical changes and growths to overcome to get there in less that 15 years. I would say at least 20 years.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Sorry Longview. I agree with Deuce on that. Too many logistical changes and growths to overcome to get there in less that 15 years. I would say at least 20 years.
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It is ok, because I know that Exxon will be making the low carbon fuel within a year.
I am not sure who the market is, but know they have a 36 inch pipeline directly to Bush Intercontinental Airport.
I would not be surprised to see Airlines advertising that they are doing their part to reduce emissions before the end of 2023.
 
longview said:
It is ok, because I know that Exxon will be making the low carbon fuel within a year.
I am not sure who the market is, but know they have a 36 inch pipeline directly to Bush Intercontinental Airport.
I would not be surprised to see Airlines advertising that they are doing their part to reduce emissions before the end of 2023.
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I'm guessing that this will be significantly more expensive per liter and simply represents just another costly green vanity project :(
 
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flogger said:
I'm guessing that this will be significantly more expensive per liter and simply represents just another costly green vanity project :(
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They will not making 37 million liters a day at a loss. I read that jet A cost about $5.29 per gallon ($140/liter),
I think the refinery can make the low carbon fuel at $2.79 a gallon, so there is plenty of room for profit.
This estimate is based on the Navy's conversion efficiency of 60%, Exxon likely can do better.
 
longview said:
We see a lot of hyperbole related to what will happen if we do not fix Human caused climate change.
Anything from life will be more difficult to Earth will become uninhabitable.
What are the realistic estimates of future CO2 levels, and what do you think the result would be?
I found a study, that says unchecked CO2 emissions could reach 2000 ppm
Future climate forcing potentially without precedent in the last 420 million years
So what do you all think is the upper limit of AGW capability?
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Hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people will die (are dying?), and it'll be debated how many are due to climate change, versus "normal changes in weather", or some such.

People with the means to do so will move (are moving?) to or create places that are not as affected by the changes, and most of them will argue that things are OK because for them, they are.

I don't know if it'll get so bad humanity has to leave the planet, but that possibility is on the table.

Edit: "leave the planet" includes "all of them die" as a potential method for leaving.
 
Deuce said:
Do you have any idea how laughably short of carbon neutral that is? 200,000 barrels per day? LOL! Global production is like 75 million per day.
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It is the first unit, and makes low carbon fuels, likely jet fuel, and 8.4 million gallons a day is not just a drop in the bucket.
 
The Mark said:
Hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people will die (are dying?), and it'll be debated how many are due to climate change, versus "normal changes in weather", or some such.

People with the means to do so will move (are moving?) to or create places that are not as affected by the changes, and most of them will argue that things are OK because for them, they are.

I don't know if it'll get so bad humanity has to leave the planet, but that possibility is on the table.
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So, hyperbole aside, what do you all think is the upper limit of AGW warming capability?
 
The Mark said:
Hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people will die (are dying?), and it'll be debated how many are due to climate change, versus "normal changes in weather", or some such.

People with the means to do so will move (are moving?) to or create places that are not as affected by the changes, and most of them will argue that things are OK because for them, they are.

I don't know if it'll get so bad humanity has to leave the planet, but that possibility is on the table.

Edit: "leave the planet" includes "all of them die".
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Oh boy ...... like we needed yet another climate catastrophist :rolleyes:

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We have nothing to worry about. Trump was clear last night, global warming will only raise the oceans 1/8 of an inch in 300 years.

I literally hate that man.
 
The Mark said:
That wasn't hyperbole.
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Weather related deaths are way down, so you must be talking about deaths from other causes.
You said "Hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people will die (are dying?),"
Where, and what is the cause of these deaths?
 
longview said:
Weather related deaths are way down, so you must be talking about deaths from other causes.
You said "Hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people will die (are dying?),"
Where, and what is the cause of these deaths?
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Some percentage would not have happened without climate change being an ongoing thing.
I doubt we'll ever be able to accurately quantify the percentage, and it will be argued about likely until the heat death of the universe, assuming Physicists don't change their predictions of that happening at some point.
 
noonereal said:
We have nothing to worry about. Trump was clear last night, global warming will only raise the oceans 1/8 of an inch in 300 years.

I literally hate that man.
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The oceans have been rising for the last 18,000 years and often at rates far higher than we see today. We can no more influence that than we can the tides or the seasons

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noonereal said:
We have nothing to worry about. Trump was clear last night, global warming will only raise the oceans 1/8 of an inch in 300 years.

I literally hate that man.
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He does own waterfront property, so at least he is putting his money at risk.
Seriously, the sea level in Florida for example has been raising about 1 foot per century, for at least a century.
They have much more to worry about from King tides than from sea level rise.
 
longview said:
Look up how far Venus is from the Sun and it's rotation period?
Keep in mind CO2 kind of requires carbon, and there is a finite supply of naturally stored hydrocarbon fuels.
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CO2 isn't the only greenhouse gas.

And just as a side note, what's your plan for when the finite supply runs out?
 
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