What do you mean when you say we need to secure our border?

[noonereal]

I would enforce immigration law, and that means deporting people who enter the country illegally. I would also detain asylum seekers until their case has been adjudicated.

Lol

What ridiculous non ansewer.

You can't deport people until they have had their case reviewed. They are not entering illegally.

Second time, how you gonna pay to hold these poor people unless congress gives you the cash?

Your post does not represent more than ignorant dogma.

 

[bongsaway]

The tree is “the problem” and the root is the underlying “cause” of the problem.

“Trimming the branches” will not solve the problem.

Illegal immigration is the problem. The cause is the demand in the US for labor, and the desire for people to come to the US because it is better than their country(or situation or status in it). Most of these people are just looking for better opportunities for themselves and their families. Most of them are willing to work hard and follow our laws. Believing we can just deport them all is like believing we can stop all the illegal drugs coming into the country. Even if we did that somehow, they would just get made here. Where there is demand, there will be supply.

The right has a problem understanding the people who hire them are the real problem, not the people coming here seeking a better life. Republicans don't really want to solve problems, I think they actually enjoy their prejudices.

 

[brianpatrick]

The right has a problem understanding the people who hire them are the real problem, not the people coming here seeking a better life. Republicans don't really want to solve problems, I think they actually enjoy their prejudices.

Yes, give the ones who want a better life a worker visa and a chance to prove themselves towards a path to citizenship and it’s win for everyone. Deport the ones who prove themselves unwilling to follow the rules. Pretty simple.

 

[dairyair]

Yeah that's what was implied, genius.


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Neither party has addressed the issue because both parties are owned by capitalists who want cheap labor and more consumers for their products.

There it is.
The economy wants and needs them.

So, discussions regarding the borders is moot.
It's not going to be addressed.

 

[dairyair]

I hate to say it but…

Could it be that there are a number of us who look at something like this and, for whatever reason, assume dealing with millions of poor Brown people is easier than thousands of rich White folk?

Just saying… {shrugging shoulders}.

Except, dealing with those brown people doesn't happen.

A lot of noise is made. But those brown people still pick fruits and vegetable. Chop up meat in meat packaging plants. Do the laundry in hotels. And clean up the garbage at golf courses.

IOW, they do the jobs most whites won't do. At wages whites won't work for.

 

[Luce]

You may recall Trump had far greater success in diminishing the numbers coming through the border.

He had average resutlts.

 

[dairyair]

If you think immigration law is being enforced then you haven't any idea what's going on. Our border and visa programs are a sieve.

And neither party, particularly the R party, doesn't address those issues.

They just make some fake noise about some mostly useless wall and punishing immigrants by forcing them to live in detention camps. Which they haven't built any detention camps either.
Which would be very costly to house and feed those asylum seekers for years or decades. As it takes that long to get through the system.
Since R's won't spend money on adding resources to address immigrants.

 

[DrewPaul]

He had average resutlts.

8 million less in a shorter amount of time.

 

[dairyair]

Probably nothing as a thoughtful reply would seem to be beyond your reach.


They can be detained until the cases are adjudicated. Today, we release them.


The military can defend our border. And yes, the threat of violence should be part of that.

So, you want to house and feed some 10M immigrants for years and decades.

How do you propose housing that many paying for that?
You mentioned military. Is that to shoot them instead of detaining them?

 

[Luce]

8 million less in a shorter amount of time.

Yes, subtract the covid era from his numbers and they're just average.

 

[Luce]

Probably nothing as a thoughtful reply would seem to be beyond your reach.


They can be detained until the cases are adjudicated. Today, we release them.

Yes. What's wrong with that?

The military can defend our border. And yes, the threat of violence should be part of that.

As long as they don't perform police functions inside of our borders.

What is your plan? To machine gun people crossing the border?

 

[dairyair]

We are discussing immigration policy and law, not Trump. Try to focus.

trump was president and wants to be president again.

He had R house kill a bipartisan border bill to address some of the issues you rant about. Money.

He had full control of WH and Congress his 1st 2 years last term.
He did nothing to address the border. Ranted about some mostly useless wall Mexico was going to pay for.

Remember, he wants that labor for his golf courses and hotels. He isn't going to do anything you claim needs to be done. He didn't before and he won't again. He has no plans to deal with immigration.
So, he is very much a part of the topic. As you plan to vote for him and his failure to deal with immigrants policy.

 

[Luce]

It means when someone shows up at the border without authorization, you don't let them in.

If the claim they were persecuted in their home country and are requesting asylum, you give them a court date and send them back to wait in the country they crossed over from.

That would be a violation of federal law and a ratified treaty.

It mean if people are here illegally and commit a crime, they don't get released back into the general population. They get deported immediately

No, that's incorrect. First they are tried for the crime, and if found guilty,punished.

THEN they get deported.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Except, dealing with those brown people doesn't happen.

A lot of noise is made. But those brown people still pick fruits and vegetable. Chop up meat in meat packaging plants. Do the laundry in hotels. And clean up the garbage at golf courses.

IOW, they do the jobs most whites won't do. At wages whites won't work for.

I’m referencing that noise.

The people doing the talking about it benefit either as purchasers of the cheap labor or purchasers of the cheaper products and services. They can’t have it both ways.

Either find a way to card them and make them legal, which adds the benefit of being able to know their numbers, tax them and account for them and reap the cheaper labor,goods, services; or cut off the jobs and they go back where they came from. Then deal with the higher prices.

 

[NatMorton]

Rotflmao
You are the one posting willfully blind in support of your orange Jesus.

A very ignorant statement.

 

[NatMorton]

Lol

What ridiculous non ansewer.

You can't deport people until they have had their case reviewed. They are not entering illegally.

Second time, how you gonna pay to hold these poor people unless congress gives you the cash?

Your post does not represent more than ignorant dogma.

I never said we would deport them before the case was adjudicated. I said we should detain them. You need to slow down and read more carefully.

 

[NatMorton]

Yes. What's wrong with that?

For starters, most of them are lying about the need for asylum. Only a minority of asylum requests are found to be valid and then granted. Now you might ask if most are ultimately turned away, why do they keep coming back and lying about the need? The answer is simple math.

If you do some quick web searching you'll find that the average min wage in, say, Venezuela is $7 a month. If that's your financial future, why not make your way to the US border, claim the need for asylum, get a work permit, and start earning $7.25 an hour (the min wage in Texas). Even if your asylum case is shite and you're deported after six months, you've earned over $7,500 simply by working 40 hours a week and taking weekends off. If you do the math, you'll find that it would take you more than 89 years to earn that much back home.

With that financial choice before you, who wouldn't lie to a border official about the need for asylum?

 

[noonereal]

I never said we would deport them before the case was adjudicated. I said we should detain them. You need to slow down and read more carefully.

Where can we detain them and process them without Congress acting, allocating the money?

We can't.

You have never had an answer for this.

 

[NatMorton]

Where can we detain them and process them without Congress acting, allocating the money?

We can't.

You have never had an answer for this.

What the hell are you talking about? We're finding the money to house immigrants in cities all over the nation.

e.g.:

https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/ne...ontract-with-hotels-to-house-migrant-families

 

[NatMorton]

Where can we detain them and process them without Congress acting, allocating the money?

We can't.

You have never had an answer for this.

How about more?

$70 Million More For Migrant Housing, Services Approved By City Council

The allocation comes as the state of Illinois and Cook County pledged $250 million for asylum seekers this winter. Nearly 9,000 migrants are living in city shelters.

blockclubchicago.org

Los Angeles to get $21.8 million in federal money to help shelter migrants

Local officials had applied for federal FEMA funds to help support newly-arrived migrants who have struggled to find housing in the city.

www.latimes.com

How WA plans to use $32 million to help asylum seekers • Washington State Standard

The funding approved by the Legislature comes as hundreds of asylum seekers in the Seattle area are living in tents.

washingtonstatestandard.com

Oregon spent $29 million to house asylum seekers. Then it shut down the program

Despite high demand, state officials and lawmakers abandoned the program after just 14 months

www.oregonlive.com

Feeling a bit misinformed? You should.

 

[dairyair]

I’m referencing that noise.

The people doing the talking about it benefit either as purchasers of the cheap labor or purchasers of the cheaper products and services. They can’t have it both ways.

Either find a way to card them and make them legal, which adds the benefit of being able to know their numbers, tax them and account for them and reap the cheaper labor,goods, services; or cut off the jobs and they go back where they came from. Then deal with the higher prices.

Congress has to do that.\
Neither party is willing.

There was a bipartisan Senate plan that was going to address immigrants with more money and resources.
But trump convinced the R house to kill the bill.

 

[dairyair]

How about more?

$70 Million More For Migrant Housing, Services Approved By City Council

The allocation comes as the state of Illinois and Cook County pledged $250 million for asylum seekers this winter. Nearly 9,000 migrants are living in city shelters.

blockclubchicago.org

Los Angeles to get $21.8 million in federal money to help shelter migrants

Local officials had applied for federal FEMA funds to help support newly-arrived migrants who have struggled to find housing in the city.

www.latimes.com

How WA plans to use $32 million to help asylum seekers • Washington State Standard

The funding approved by the Legislature comes as hundreds of asylum seekers in the Seattle area are living in tents.

washingtonstatestandard.com

Oregon spent $29 million to house asylum seekers. Then it shut down the program

Despite high demand, state officials and lawmakers abandoned the program after just 14 months

www.oregonlive.com

Feeling a bit misinformed? You should.

So then, they are detained and we know where they are.
Just like you wanted.
You solved your own concern.

 

[noonereal]

What the hell are you talking about? We're finding the money to house immigrants in cities all over the nation.

e.g.:

https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/ne...ontract-with-hotels-to-house-migrant-families

Stupid post. Do you have a legitimate ansewer or not?

 

[noonereal]

How about more?

$70 Million More For Migrant Housing, Services Approved By City Council

The allocation comes as the state of Illinois and Cook County pledged $250 million for asylum seekers this winter. Nearly 9,000 migrants are living in city shelters.

blockclubchicago.org

Los Angeles to get $21.8 million in federal money to help shelter migrants

Local officials had applied for federal FEMA funds to help support newly-arrived migrants who have struggled to find housing in the city.

www.latimes.com

How WA plans to use $32 million to help asylum seekers • Washington State Standard

The funding approved by the Legislature comes as hundreds of asylum seekers in the Seattle area are living in tents.

washingtonstatestandard.com

Oregon spent $29 million to house asylum seekers. Then it shut down the program

Despite high demand, state officials and lawmakers abandoned the program after just 14 months

www.oregonlive.com

Feeling a bit misinformed? You should.

You only read and believe things that suit your agenda. Stop it. Now.

 

[NatMorton]

You only read and believe things that suit your agenda. Stop it. Now.

No money, right?

Good luck digging yourself out of that hole.