What do you believe the objective of the Imans was that boarded the plane?

[FierceEnigma12z]

your right, the iraq war is going great. the two iraqi groups are in a civil war and we're caught in the middle. the sunnis and sthe shiites hate eachother and both groups hate the US. they wouldn't be extremists if we didn't treat them like *****

Huh? Right if we just talked nicely to them all along they'd be fine with us.Do you know what Radical Islam does? Do you know how these kinds of terrorist operate.They brought their Jihad war straight to America, on September 11th, 2001.They don't 'chat', they kill.Like I've said before it's a kill now, talk never mindset."death to America"...we don't usually negotiate with those kinds of people.It's not a full blown civil war their are parts of Iraq that are peaceful and not all of them hate the US.

They are extremists because we don't believe in what they practice, which is hate and killing.That's how they get people to "convert", the only logical way they think they can achieve this is by ruthless killing.Innocent people, like 9/11.

 

[nort_12345]

...the only logical way they think they can achieve this is by ruthless killing.Innocent people, like 9/11.

and innocent people aren't being killed now in iraq?

 

[BodiSatva]

and innocent people aren't being killed now in iraq?

I will just leave your racist assumption aside for a moment...

Innocent people die everywhere all of the time...
That is not the issue.

You don't see any difference between flying civilian passanger jets into civilian buildings for the sole purpose of killing civilians and shutting down a civilian city AND engaging Armed Militants inside of a War Zone that was created for a variety of Military reasons while Creating a Democratic Government?

 

[nort_12345]

I will just leave your racist assumption aside for a moment...

Innocent people die everywhere all of the time...
That is not the issue.

You don't see any difference between flying civilian passanger jets into civilian buildings for the sole purpose of killing civilians and shutting down a civilian city AND engaging Armed Militants inside of a War Zone that was created for a variety of Military reasons while Creating a Democratic Government?

okay, how is that racist?

iraq is a mess right now and we shouldn't be there. they need to solve their problems first. i don't really have a problem w/ removing a dictator that is harming/killing people in his country, but i do have a problem w/ 3,000 us troops dying, 600,000+ iraqis dying, and iraq being more messes now than it was before saddam was removed. i know you won't want to hear this but iraq was better w/ saddam than now.

 

[nort_12345]

Huh? Right if we just talked nicely to them all along they'd be fine with us.Do you know what Radical Islam does? Do you know how these kinds of terrorist operate.They brought their Jihad war straight to America, on September 11th, 2001.They don't 'chat', they kill.Like I've said before it's a kill now, talk never mindset."death to America"...we don't usually negotiate with those kinds of people.It's not a full blown civil war their are parts of Iraq that are peaceful and not all of them hate the US.

They are extremists because we don't believe in what they practice, which is hate and killing.That's how they get people to "convert", the only logical way they think they can achieve this is by ruthless killing.Innocent people, like 9/11.

if we were nice to them all along there would be no problem. if all they are angry at us about is that we don't believe what they believe, then why wouldn't they attack europe or asia. BECAUSE THOSE PLACES DIDN'T TREAT THEM LIKE ****!

 

[BodiSatva]

nort_12345
okay, how is that racist?

iraq is a mess right now and we shouldn't be there. they need to solve their problems first. i don't really have a problem w/ removing a dictator that is harming/killing people in his country, but i do have a problem w/ 3,000 us troops dying, 600,000+ iraqis dying, and iraq being more messes now than it was before saddam was removed. i know you won't want to hear this but iraq was better w/ saddam than now.

I was not clear abou tthe "racist" comment.
I meant, "your racist assumption" of me from the previous post that you did not respond to...

"i know you won't want to hear this but iraq was better w/ saddam than now"

Incorrect.

I don't mind hearing that and I also think that Iraq was better off under Saddam.

What we have now is a mess, but part of that is calculated.
THAT is the part that many people just don't get...

 

[nort_12345]

I am starting to like you more and more Hatuey...A Realist!



I didn't imply anything of the sort...
You Assumed it.
That is a BIG difference...
Lots of people get offended by things that they should not be offended by.

I said...
WE have to stop being sissy's and face the real issue rather than worry about who we are going to offend and what they might do about it.

you were talking about stopping the terrorists and said that we can't worry about who we are going to offend. the thread was about imans. so you were saying that we can't worry about if we offend a muslim or not. that's what the thread is about. muslims.

did you mean to say it like that? i don't know. i just know what you said.

 

[Harshaw]

Didn't bother reading all the off-topic Iraq blather, but the poll options don't cover what I think.

It was most likely a test of security; if it worked and no one challenged them, it's good info; if it failed and US Airways responded as they did (good for them!), then they've got a ready-made publicity stink, probably with an eye toward making airlines more wary of challenging such behavior in the future.

Hopefully, it will not.

 

[FierceEnigma12z]

if we were nice to them all along there would be no problem. if all they are angry at us about is that we don't believe what they believe, then why wouldn't they attack europe or asia. BECAUSE THOSE PLACES DIDN'T TREAT THEM LIKE ****!

No, if all of America magically converted to their ways then they wouldn't attack us.It's because they have ongoing hate for us, and they only way to get their point through to us is to attack us.9/11 is a perfect example.I'm sure it's only because we treat them like ****.We should actually be really nice to terrorist like this.THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK THEY DON'T WANT TO PLAY NICE.Kill now talk never.They attack us because of ongoing hate for us, were allies with nations that they hate, therefore they think we are inter fearing with their Jihad crap.

 

[nort_12345]

No, if all of America magically converted to their ways then they wouldn't attack us.It's because they have ongoing hate for us, and they only way to get their point through to us is to attack us.9/11 is a perfect example.I'm sure it's only because we treat them like ****.We should actually be really nice to terrorist like this.THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK THEY DON'T WANT TO PLAY NICE.Kill now talk never.They attack us because of ongoing hate for us, were allies with nations that they hate, therefore they think we are inter fearing with their Jihad crap.

they hate us because we treat(ed) them like *****. yes there are still going to be terrorists mad about the religious battles going on there all the time. but they wouldn't be mad at US if we treated the middle east in general better. why don't they attack europe? because europe doesn't treat them like we do.

 

[Harshaw]

they hate us because we treat(ed) them like *****. yes there are still going to be terrorists mad about the religious battles going on there all the time. but they wouldn't be mad at US if we treated the middle east in general better. why don't they attack europe? because europe doesn't treat them like we do.

I think quite a few people in Europe might just disagree with the "don't attack Europe" part. Especially train passengers in various countries.

"Treat the Middle East better" is just code talk for "no longer ally with those dirty Jews."

 

[nort_12345]

I think quite a few people in Europe might just disagree with the "don't attack Europe" part. Especially train passengers in various countries.

"Treat the Middle East better" is just code talk for "no longer ally with those dirty Jews."

you calling me racist?

did europe have three of it's main buildings in two of it's biggest cities get crashed into by planes? is europe in a war right now with the middle east? the terrorists are targeting the US.

 

[Harshaw]

you calling me racist?

No. I'm saying it's generally what our current enemies mean when they say it.

did europe have three of it's main buildings in two of it's biggest cities get crashed into by planes? is europe in a war right now with the middle east? the terrorists are targeting the US.

The London Underground was bombed twice in two weeks. Several train cars in Madrid got ripped to shreds.

Europeans have been targeted in Malaysia, Bali, Bora Bora . . .

To say nothing of Denmark and its cartoon brouhaha.

All the while NOTHING in the US has been hit. Am I saying they've switched to Europe and are leaving us alone? Of course not. But to say they're not targeting Europe is . . . just plain stupid. Is it the product of wishful thinking? Actual ignorance? A general anti-American bent? Some combination of the three? I don't know. But it's stupidity nonetheless, and I'm sure the families of the people killed would just love you for telling them their loved ones weren't attacked.

 

[nort_12345]

No. I'm saying it's generally what our current enemies mean when they say it.




The London Underground was bombed twice in two weeks. Several train cars in Madrid got ripped to shreds.

Europeans have been targeted in Malaysia, Bali, Bora Bora . . .

To say nothing of Denmark and its cartoon brouhaha.

All the while NOTHING in the US has been hit. Am I saying they've switched to Europe and are leaving us alone? Of course not. But to say they're not targeting Europe is . . . just plain stupid. Is it the product of wishful thinking? Actual ignorance? A general anti-American bent? Some combination of the three? I don't know. But it's stupidity nonetheless, and I'm sure the families of the people killed would just love you for telling them their loved ones weren't attacked.

england and spain both support the US in the iraq war. england is our biggest supporter. they don't hate europe, they hate the US and its supporters.

 

[Dogger807]

First of all, in response to the poll. I don't think they were innocent or it was a publicity stunt... i think it was a dry run. They were testing the system.

Secondly I have a colleague who has just returned from France. He had the opportunity to talk to some muslims over there. Not unemployed ones, he was in some rather nice restaurants and hotel lobbies at the time. I want to say first of all that he's the type to not take sides and see all points of view equally. His oppinion of the encounters is "They are unreasonable to the point of intelligible." He doesn't think they will stop short of converting the world to their religion.

As an atheist it is a no brainer that while religious fantics are dangerous , religious fantics with a military agenda are F**King dangerous.

Unfortunately I do not have an answear to correcting the dilemma. I do however predict it's gonna get worse before it gets better. I'm thinking the glass to sand ratio in the middle east is going to be radically altered before all is said and done. The only thing I don't know is what's gonna be the trigger.

 

[Harshaw]

england and spain both support the US in the iraq war. england is our biggest supporter. they don't hate europe, they hate the US and its supporters.

I was right. It's heaping helpings of all three.

 

[Hatuey]

I am starting to like you more and more Hatuey...A Realist!

Dont do that. NP will start calling you a liberal. I have no problem with war when it's done right unlike some of the democrats/liberals I tend to side with. I have a problem with war when it's under the control of morons and cronies that start off on the right foot but end up on the left hand. When this war started I'll admit it I was 100% for it. I thought it was the best thing to do. However after seeing the war evolve I realized it's done more harm then good. Wether or not it was done under good intentions and Bush thought the bogus intelligence was fact and not fiction is irrelevant the only thing that matters is finding the best solution. Cutting and running isnt it and neither is staying the course. We must find a balance between them and hope to Jebus it doesn't blow up in our faces.

 

[BodiSatva]

Hatuey
Dont do that. NP will start calling you a liberal. I have no problem with war when it's done right unlike some of the democrats/liberals I tend to side with. I have a problem with war when it's under the control of morons and cronies that start off on the right foot but end up on the left hand. When this war started I'll admit it I was 100% for it. I thought it was the best thing to do. However after seeing the war evolve I realized it's done more harm then good. Wether or not it was done under good intentions and Bush thought the bogus intelligence was fact and not fiction is irrelevant the only thing that matters is finding the best solution. Cutting and running isnt it and neither is staying the course. We must find a balance between them and hope to Jebus it doesn't blow up in our faces.

Will you marry me?

Woah Nelly! Why are you sending me your ring size!
That was just a JOKE!!@

I hear you. This whole thing is a mess. I agreed with the premise of hte War on Terror, but it is being handled like crap. The whole hit and run Special Forces tactics and bungled Chain of Command in Afghanistan has been replaced with the Sitting Duck we will wait for Suicide and Roadside Bombs tactics...

What a joke!

 

[nort_12345]

I was right. It's heaping helpings of all three.

you mean that the terrorists hate the US, england, and spain?

i think the US is the hated one and the terrorists hate the US and don't want anyone to support them.

 

[Hatuey]

you mean that the terrorists hate the US, england, and spain?

i think the US is the hated one and the terrorists hate the US and don't want anyone to support them.

If somebody was trying to beat you up and I like a good samaritan helped them. Wouldn't you have the same level of hate you do for him as you do me? Think about it slowly.

 

[Hatuey]

Will you marry me?

Woah Nelly! Why are you sending me your ring size!
That was just a JOKE!!@

I hear you. This whole thing is a mess. I agreed with the premise of hte War on Terror, but it is being handled like crap. The whole hit and run Special Forces tactics and bungled Chain of Command in Afghanistan has been replaced with the Sitting Duck we will wait for Suicide and Roadside Bombs tactics...

What a joke!

WE CANT! That would make us gay liberals. NP will have a heart attack, doughgirl might just pass out and Topzez might just decide to leave P.R. and come straight to our doorsteps and tell us we're sissys. We should just stick to vocal love making. It's safer and it'll appease the religious types who want abstinence to be the law.