What do you believe... Obama = Socialist?

[lizzie]

Remember who you're talking to... Progressives see everything backwards. Up is down, left is right.... If (for example) Obama eats a live puppy on television, it would be considered an act of cherishing one's pet.

LOL:lol:---------

 

[The Uncola]

Cool! A real Socialist! You can educate me, then. How are your philosophies and Obama's different?

Ok.

Lesson 1

For starters, I'd have set my sights on the actual solution to health care for all, Single Payer Public Health Coverage. No more for profit, bloodsucking, parasitic, moneygrubbing scumbags, getting rich on causing the misery and deaths of Americans.

 

[The_Penguin]

Ok.

Lesson 1

For starters, I'd have set my sights on the actual solution to health care for all, Single Payer Public Health Coverage. No more for profit, bloodsucking, parasitic, moneygrubbing scumbags, getting rich on causing the misery and deaths of Americans.

AIDS and cancer are in on the profits?

 

[The Uncola]

AIDS and cancer are in on the profits?

Sorry, but I don't do trollbaits. Would you care to pose an actual question or comment instead of drivel? I'd be happy to engage in a conversation with you, but it needs to be above the bumpersticker mentality level.

Thanks.

 

[thoughtprocess]

Are we not remembering the presidential elections. It was between im going to do everything Obama and the maverick im not going to do my job anymore but still get paid for it McCain. The job of president qualifications have become he who will do less harm. Therefore he is qualified because our choices were limited. There is no well liked candidate to date that fits actual qualifications. There is no one accounting for the whole of America. Everyones opinion, leadership, and belief is segregated to their own with closed ears. President Obama in the since was the best out of the bunch because he actually makes an attempt to listen and then act. They could have jammed through the public option a year ago but the president wanted to give republicans a voice and time to express their opinions. So for Obama the CAPITILIST he has done something he has made politics fair game for ideas. You just have to have them.

 

[Josie]

Ok.

Lesson 1

For starters, I'd have set my sights on the actual solution to health care for all, Single Payer Public Health Coverage. No more for profit, bloodsucking, parasitic, moneygrubbing scumbags, getting rich on causing the misery and deaths of Americans.

That's where Obama's sights are set as well.

October 2003:
“I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer health care program.”

and

May 2007

"But I don’t think we’re going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately.” There’s going to be potentially some transition process — I can envision a decade out, or 15 years out, or 20 years out, where we’ve got a much more portable system.”


You see, this health care bill isn't what Obama's final goal is. It's the first step. He's nudging us toward a single payer system.

Next?

 

[Deuce]

That's where Obama's sights are set as well.

October 2003:
“I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer health care program.”

and

May 2007

"But I don’t think we’re going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately.” There’s going to be potentially some transition process — I can envision a decade out, or 15 years out, or 20 years out, where we’ve got a much more portable system.”


You see, this health care bill isn't what Obama's final goal is. It's the first step. He's nudging us toward a single payer system.

Next?

Sweet! I hope we get there

 

[Josie]

Where did the Uncola go?

 

[The_Penguin]

Sorry, but I don't do trollbaits. Would you care to pose an actual question or comment instead of drivel? I'd be happy to engage in a conversation with you, but it needs to be above the bumpersticker mentality level.

Thanks.

Actually, I figured I was responding on the same maturity level . Corporations make a profit for their investors. There are those who are interested in recouping a small amount of cash that they've put into it. Making a profit does not make you a blood-sucker (why would you describe anything at all in such absurd terms), I could easily characterize the many who sit on welfare while perfectly capable of work as blood-suckers (and it would be more accurate.)

 

[The Uncola]

Where did the Uncola go?

Some of us have a life outside of the net. I'm one of them.

 

[The Uncola]

That's where Obama's sights are set as well.

October 2003:
“I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer health care program.”

and

May 2007

"But I don’t think we’re going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately.” There’s going to be potentially some transition process — I can envision a decade out, or 15 years out, or 20 years out, where we’ve got a much more portable system.”


You see, this health care bill isn't what Obama's final goal is. It's the first step. He's nudging us toward a single payer system.

Next?

What's your point? Is that what causes you think Obama is a "socialist?"

Really? Do you understand what a socialist or socialism actually is?

Under an actual socialist health care system, the government wouldn't be just the single payer, the government would employ ALL health care providers and own ALL health care facilities. The government would also own ALL drug manufacturing facilities.

I'd suggest you find better resources to help you understand the actual meaning of political terms, as it's pretty clear you are quite mixed up about them at this time.

 

[Josie]

Some of us have a life outside of the net. I'm one of them.

Ahhhh. I'm sorry. I thought you were around the last couple days. My bad.

 

[Josie]

What's your point? Is that what causes you think Obama is a "socialist?"

Really? Do you understand what a socialist or socialism actually is?

Under an actual socialist health care system, the government wouldn't be just the single payer, the government would employ ALL health care providers and own ALL health care facilities. The government would also own ALL drug manufacturing facilities.

I'd suggest you find better resources to help you understand the actual meaning of political terms, as it's pretty clear you are quite mixed up about them at this time.

And, as I said, Obama is nudging us toward that according to his own words.

You're a socialist and you're guiding me through each aspect of what a socialist believes. We've already discussed health care so what's next?

 

[Geo Patric]

it's good to see that you folks here can take time out of the contentious right/left political wrangling to spend some time just being funny.

i am sure i will learn to love it here.

geo.

 

[The Uncola]

Actually, I figured I was responding on the same maturity level . Corporations make a profit for their investors. There are those who are interested in recouping a small amount of cash that they've put into it. Making a profit does not make you a blood-sucker (why would you describe anything at all in such absurd terms), I could easily characterize the many who sit on welfare while perfectly capable of work as blood-suckers (and it would be more accurate.)

When was the last time someone receiving public assistance was the cause of another persons death? The parasites at the insurance scammers kill people each and every day to increase their profits. That you endorse their greed speaks volumes about you.

 

[The_Penguin]

When was the last time someone receiving public assistance was the cause of another persons death?

That comparison doesn't even begin to make sense. I can tell of you numerous times where government involvement in something has caused death .

The parasites at the insurance scammers kill people each and every day to increase their profits.

Hmm... what do you call someone that sits around and does nothing while living off of government benefits all the time, but is healthy to work. A productive member of society?

We have millions of such people.

I mean, are you that obtuse about how corporations work (and what motivates them) and market-based economics? Please tell me that you are at least moderately aware of the benefits that it brings to society as a whole and the important social function that capitalism serves.

That you endorse their greed speaks volumes about you.

Yeh, I shove kittens down meat-grinders for thrills :roll: .

 

[Josie]

I guess class was dismissed. Bummer. I thought he wanted me to learn.

 

[The Uncola]

That comparison doesn't even begin to make sense. .

You made the comparisan(sic), not me.

I can tell of you numerous times where government involvement in something has caused death.

Of which, not a single one will be relevant to health care.

Hmm... what do you call someone that sits around and does nothing while living off of government benefits all the time, but is healthy to work. A productive member of society?

We have millions of such people.

I call them human beings.

I mean, are you that obtuse about how corporations work (and what motivates them) and market-based economics? Please tell me that you are at least moderately aware of the benefits that it brings to society as a whole and the important social function that capitalism serves.

Are you so obtuse that you don't that turning "profits" from killing people and causing untold human suffering to better your bottom line is evil and wrong?

Yeh, I shove kittens down meat-grinders for thrills :roll: .

It wouldn't surprise me.