What do you believe God wants from us?

[Lutherf]

? You are basically saying that God gets all the credit and none of the blame. Can you imagine if you were drowning and I had the ability to pull you out and I didn’t you would call me cruel .

You are not God. If you choose not to help someone in need then that's on you.

 

[Peter]

You are not God. If you choose not to help someone in need then that's on you.

God could cure all disease without any effort at all but he choses to not bother.
Why?

 

[devildavid]

Because He created us, He is WORTHY/DESERVES our service/worship...

“You are worthy, Jehovah our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they came into existence and were created.” Revelation 4:11

He deserves the blame for all our pain and suffering. So it is not worthy of worship or service.

 

[devildavid]

You are not God. If you choose not to help someone in need then that's on you.

And if god chooses not to it is on god.

 

[Gordy327]

God could cure all disease without any effort at all but he choses to not bother.
Why?

Could it be because god does not exist?

 

[Daisy]

God could cure all disease without any effort at all but he choses to not bother.
Why?

That was the main purpose of Jesus performing miracles while on earth...to show what God's kingdom will do for mankind...sufficient food for everyone, no more sickness and death...

 

[Peter]

Could it be because god does not exist?

That would seem to be the logical conclusion.

 

[devildavid]

That was the main purpose of Jesus performing miracles while on earth...to show what God's kingdom will do for mankind...sufficient food for everyone, no more sickness and death...

So god changed from the stick to the carrot but still mankind continued to suffer. Promises, promises, but no payoff.

 

[Gordy327]

So god changed from the stick to the carrot but still mankind continued to suffer. Promises, promises, but no payoff.

Sounds like God/Jesus is just jerking us around.

 

[Peter]

That was the main purpose of Jesus performing miracles while on earth...to show what God's kingdom will do for mankind...sufficient food for everyone, no more sickness and death...

So mankind has to go through pointless suffering that he can prevent without any effort just for shits and gigles?

Great.

 

[Daisy]

So mankind has to go through pointless suffering that he can prevent without any effort just for shits and gigles?

Great.

There's the issue of sovereignty to settle, that Satan raised in the garden of Eden...it's not a matter of who is more powerful but a matter of who has the right to rule mankind...such an issue takes time to settle...

 

[Peter]

There's the issue of sovereignty to settle, that Satan raised in the garden of Eden...it's not a matter of who is more powerful but a matter of who has the right to rule mankind...such an issue takes time to settle...

Great, we get to be ruled over by a galactic overlord who obviously doen't give a shit about us.

I can't wait.

 

[Daisy]

Great, we get to be ruled over by a galactic overlord who obviously doen't give a shit about us.

I can't wait.

lol...that's happening right now but not for long...God will soon end all wickedness by eliminating it at its source...Satan...

"Now there is a judging of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out."
John 12:31

 

[Logician Man]

that's happening right now but not for long.

Daisy said:
such an issue takes time to settle...
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con·tra·dic·tion​

/ˌkäntrəˈdikSH(ə)n/​

noun

• 1.a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another:"the proposed new system suffers from a set of internal contradictions"

 

[devildavid]

There's the issue of sovereignty to settle, that Satan raised in the garden of Eden...it's not a matter of who is more powerful but a matter of who has the right to rule mankind...such an issue takes time to settle...

This is utter nonsense. God artificially created this contest over sovereignty, and the outcome is a forgone conclusion. Unless of course it is possible that Satan wins and then what? Does god take his ball and go home?

 

[Lutherf]

God could cure all disease without any effort at all but he choses to not bother.
Why?

And if god chooses not to it is on god.

God is not a puppet master and we are not His puppets. God is not here to do our bidding. He's not a genie that grants wishes.

In the beginning there was no death but man chose to question the authority of God and, in doing so, brought death into the world. Since that time man has two paths from which to choose. We can choose a path that leads only to death or we can choose a path that leads to redemption. We are stewards of God's creation and He allows us to choose our own path. He guides us and encourages us. He has provided us with a path to the wisdom of his ways but it is ALWAYS up to us to walk that path.

You speak of death and suffering, wondering why God allows such things. Perhaps the answer is that God allows these things so that we might learn from them. How better to become more fruitful than to suffer adversity, learn how to cope with that adversity or overcome it and pass that wisdom on to others? If all we had to do was ask and all suffering would be removed from us then how would we grow? How would we become stronger? We would serve no purpose greater than that of a stone or a stump.

 

[JRTurner]

Q1: Does God (assuming he exists) command us to love and serve him?

A1: Just unconditional love--He only wants us to serve each other.

Q2: If so, why?

A2: Because He loves us unconditionally and has the rest covered

 

[tosca1]

Then we are not obliged to love, obey, or worship him.

He has given you .......................................Free Will.

He spelled out the requirements to eternal life.
He gave details to the consequences of our choice.


Take it, or leave it.

God does seem to be codependent. Or very needy.

You had shown in a lot of your posts that you tend to be wrong.
You'd made many proven, faulty claims.
Your perceptions aren't reliable.




Lol - speaking of being "very needy."
You're desperately needy for attention.


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Oh look she did it again. It's like one per page, at this point. Or coming down to one per post, lol

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See? In the same post - you've proven what I just said about you:


You had shown in a lot of your posts that you tend to be wrong.
You'd made many proven, faulty, and downright nonsense claims.
Your perceptions aren't reliable.

 

[Overitall]

It’s very clearly says that the wife is subservient He may be told to love his wife, but it also says she is to submit to her husband.
? You are basically saying that God gets all the credit and none of the blame. Can you imagine if you were drowning and I had the ability to pull you out and I didn’t you would call me cruel .

Again, you've omitted one pertinent bit of information -- Ephesians 5:25 "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;"

It's love that is manifested by sacrifice. Only the man is obligated to sacrifice themselves for the good of the woman. Jesus, set the bar very high relative to the relationship in a marriage. When the man operates under that standard the woman will willingly submit to her husband's leadership, because all decisions will be made to elevate the status of the woman in the marital relationship. It's the love of the man that guides and strengthens the two. The bride of Christ willingly serves. There's no coercion. Being the Lord, doesn't mean lording over the woman, it means the husband gladly will sacrifice himself for the woman.

 

[devildavid]

God is not a puppet master and we are not His puppets. God is not here to do our bidding. He's not a genie that grants wishes.

In the beginning there was no death but man chose to question the authority of God and, in doing so, brought death into the world. Since that time man has two paths from which to choose. We can choose a path that leads only to death or we can choose a path that leads to redemption. We are stewards of God's creation and He allows us to choose our own path. He guides us and encourages us. He has provided us with a path to the wisdom of his ways but it is ALWAYS up to us to walk that path.

You speak of death and suffering, wondering why God allows such things. Perhaps the answer is that God allows these things so that we might learn from them. How better to become more fruitful than to suffer adversity, learn how to cope with that adversity or overcome it and pass that wisdom on to others? If all we had to do was ask and all suffering would be removed from us then how would we grow? How would we become stronger? We would serve no purpose greater than that of a stone or a stump.

The choices god makes are on god. God doesn’t simply allow suffering, god created it. Suffering is not a lesson from god, but one of his gifts. God made everything and freely chose to do it. Human beings did not force god to do anything or create reality in any way at all. It is all on god.

 

[Gordy327]

God is not a puppet master and we are not His puppets. God is not here to do our bidding. He's not a genie that grants wishes.

That makes god useless.

In the beginning there was no death but man chose to question the authority of God and, in doing so, brought death into the world.

How does that work exactly? Asking questions causes biological death?

Since that time man has two paths from which to choose. We can choose a path that leads only to death or we can choose a path that leads to redemption. We are stewards of God's creation and He allows us to choose our own path. He guides us and encourages us. He has provided us with a path to the wisdom of his ways but it is ALWAYS up to us to walk that path.

There is no choice since god always knew what we would do even before he supposedly created us. We were set up for failure from the get go.

You speak of death and suffering, wondering why God allows such things. Perhaps the answer is that God allows these things so that we might learn from them.

Or perhaps god is just useless.

How better to become more fruitful than to suffer adversity, learn how to cope with that adversity or overcome it and pass that wisdom on to others? If all we had to do was ask and all suffering would be removed from us then how would we grow? How would we become stronger? We would serve no purpose greater than that of a stone or a stump.

There won't be suffering in Heaven, right? So how will we grow and have purpose then? One does not need to suffer to find a purpose.

 

[Gordy327]

Again, you've omitted one pertinent bit of information -- Ephesians 5:25 "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;"

It's love that is manifested by sacrifice. Only the man is obligated to sacrifice themselves for the good of the woman. Jesus, set the bar very high relative to the relationship in a marriage. When the man operates under that standard the woman will willingly submit to her husband's leadership, because all decisions will be made to elevate the status of the woman in the marital relationship. It's the love of the man that guides and strengthens the two. The bride of Christ willingly serves. There's no coercion. Being the Lord, doesn't mean lording over the woman, it means the husband gladly will sacrifice himself for the woman.

That's a poetic way of describing marital sexism.

 

[grip]

Q1: Does God (assuming he exists) command us to love and serve him?

A1: (insert answer here)

Q2: If so, why?

A2: (insert answer here)

God wants us to enjoy the life he provides.

 

[Overitall]

That's a poetic way of describing marital sexism.

Your opinion is noted and dismissed by all the women that are in a healthy marital relationship. There's more to marriage than sex, but you just tried to reduce it to base thoughts of its purpose.

 

[Gordy327]

Your opinion is noted and dismissed by all the women that are in a healthy marital relationship.

So you speak for all women? I didn't say anything about the state of ones marriage.

There's more to marriage than sex, but you just tried to reduce it to base thoughts of its purpose.

A strawman argument, as I never said anything about sex either.