What changed? People.

[RF667799]

Yet an 18 year old can get a weapon and go shoot up a school without even filing for a permit.

What sort of permit would have stopped him?

 

[RF667799]

Well, society, needing more guns than people is part of the problem, especially if our attitude is "we shouldn't bother because it's too hard".

I don't believe removing guns at random would have much effect. There are so few used unlawfully compared to how many there are.

 

[Variant]

What sort of permit would have stopped him?

The kind that first looks into whether the kid was making numerous threats to shoot up schools.

 

[RF667799]

I think it stems from my ability to drive to a store right now and buy a gun, ammo, and some body armor no questions asked.

If I had to devote time learning how to make bombs, then that is an investment that would disqualify lazy and stupid people from ever doing much damage.

Maybe poisoning as an alternative? Knifings cause comparatively less damage than guns.

You can't drive to a store and buy a gun "no questions asked". When's the last time you bought a gun at a store?

 

[Variant]

I don't believe removing guns at random would have much effect. There are so few used unlawfully compared to how many there are.

It's weird how impossible this all is given not every country seems to have the same kinds of problems with guns as we do.

 

[Antiwar]

I think it stems from my ability to drive to a store right now and buy a gun, ammo, and some body armor no questions asked.

If I had to devote time learning how to make bombs, then that is an investment that would disqualify lazy and stupid people from ever doing much damage.

Maybe poisoning as an alternative? Knifings cause comparatively less damage than guns.

With respect:

Check out Vice News "How to buy guns in Canada," or something like that. It's the attitudes that results in guns galore.

Think about it. USA#1 military by far, gun exporter, gun manufacturing, militarized police, 2A tyrannical government thing, etc- they're all attitudes that result in guns galore.

Then there's the entitlement, and our history. I'm surprised that American gun violence isn't worse.

 

[RF667799]

The kind that first looks into whether the kid was making numerous threats to shoot up schools.

He passed a background check. Couldn't some adjustments be made in that process? I think opening juvenile records to the process does make sense.

 

[Variant]

He passed a background check. Couldn't some adjustments be made in that process? I think opening juvenile records to the process does make sense.

Background checks check mainly for crimes. In this case he was making all sorts of disturbing posts on the internet that everyone lets go because we let that stuff go.

 

[RF667799]

It's weird how impossible this all is given not every country seems to have the same kinds of problems with guns as we do.

That's not a very specific response to what I wrote. What do those countries do, that you would like to see done?

 

[Court Jester]

With respect:

Eff guns. Eff people's fascination with barbaric weapons.

This is what people with no legal access to weapons for defense look like:

Eff gun illogic.

This had me curious, so I took all my guns and laid them on the table and attempted to probe my guns with questions in an attempt to discover how they reason, and they just laid there and said nothing.

America is about guns because America is about barbarism. They were used to steal the land, enslave Africans, and they're used to dominate Earth militarily. Eff guns. Melt the pieces of down.

Oh brother.....

sheesh!

 

[RF667799]

Background checks check mainly for crimes. In this case he was making all sorts of disturbing posts on the internet that everyone lets go because we let that stuff go.

So you would like to check the internet posting history of every prospective gun buyer? How many man hours will that take, to try to have an effect on a few dozen murders a year? Or do you want to monitor that stuff all the time?

 

[Antiwar]

This is what people with no legal access to weapons for defense look like:

This had me curious, so I took all my guns and laid them on the table and attempted to probe my guns with questions in an attempt to discover how they reason, and they just laid there and said nothing.

Oh brother.....

sheesh!

With respect:

Sorry, you're full of lame arguments. I don't know if it's your shtick or your ~personality. Your commentary is conservative crank/claptrap. I'm progressive. It's just not going to work out.

 

[Variant]

That's not a very specific response to what I wrote. What do those countries do, that you would like to see done?

I have mentioned some things, you mostly ignored that to focus on proper analogy making.

If you'd like comparisons:

U.S. Gun Policy: Global Comparisons

The United States is witnessing another year of record gun violence, raising domestic and international scrutiny of its comparatively loose gun laws and placing pressure on lawmakers to enact meaning…

www.cfr.org

But, if you asked me I would use Canada's system as a model.

 

[Variant]

So you would like to check the internet posting history of every prospective gun buyer? How many man hours will that take, to try to have an effect on a few dozen murders a year? Or do you want to monitor that stuff all the time?

It would not be hard for social media to be required to flag and forward stuff on the level of “I’m going to shoot my grandmother” or “I’m going to shoot an elementary school” to the authorities.

I'm using actual quotes by the way. I don't expect the police to be omniscient no.

 

[Court Jester]

With respect:

Sorry, you're full of lame arguments. I don't know if it's your shtick or your ~personality. Your commentary is conservative crank/claptrap. I'm progressive. It's just not going to work out.

Why do you feel that you being "progressive" automatically means you are incapable of reasoning?

I suggest you stop seeing guns themselves as evil, and attempt to find the real answer to the equation of violence, which is not the tools being used.

How many people did Tim McVeigh murder without using a gun?

 

[RF667799]

It would not be hard for social media to be required to flag and forward stuff on the level of “I’m going to shoot my grandmother” or “I’m going to shoot an elementary school” to the authorities.

I'm using actual quotes by the way. I don't expect the police to be omniscient no.

Would the platforms he was using, have been aware of those threats?

 

[Antiwar]

Why do you feel that you being "progressive" automatically means you are incapable of reasoning?

I suggest you stop seeing guns themselves as evil, and attempt to find the real answer to the equation of violence, which is not the tools being used.

How many people did Tim McVeigh murder without using a gun?

With respect:

Your need to use "whataboutisms" means your logic and reasoning are lacking.

Have a good night.

 

[RF667799]

I have mentioned some things, you mostly ignored that to focus on proper analogy making.

If you'd like comparisons:

U.S. Gun Policy: Global Comparisons

The United States is witnessing another year of record gun violence, raising domestic and international scrutiny of its comparatively loose gun laws and placing pressure on lawmakers to enact meaning…

www.cfr.org

But, if you asked me I would use Canada's system as a model.

I glanced at your reference, and noticed it talked about a record year for gun violence. Now I know the rate of gun violence is up from the previous few years, but is still below the highs back in the 70s. So I read a little more, and sure enough they were referring to raw numbers. To use raw numbers and make that claim, I view as disingenuous, and so didn't go too much further.

Canada's model would undoubtedly be unconstitutional. I myself don't think it would make the Americans who are disposed to violence, any less violent.

 

[Daddyo]

#1Most people are responsible drivers too but it still seems reasonable to teach/test/license people to drive.

#2When on the receiving end of the wrong gun in the wrong persons hands and it doesn't matter that the majority of people aren't armed psychopaths.

#1 Sure it's reasonable. But it doesn't stop folks from misusing them violently does it?

#2 No it doesn't matter. What matters is if I have my own gun OR if I'm a helpless victim. That's why we fight for gun rights. The murderer will not follow gun laws. Since murder is the highest punished crime any lesser laws will simply be ignored.

There are half a BILLION guns in the US. Criminals get drugs in prison getting a gun will be child's play.


Accept the responsibility for your own safety. Same as you did when you got your driver's license, become a safe armed civilian. If nothing ever happens your gun never bothers a soul. If the unthinkable happens you have the means, the ability, and the training to responsibly and effectively defend what is near and dear to your heart. You can still revert back to a helpless victim by simply choosing NOT to fight back. Its a win win situation.

Ramifications?????????say Mr piece of shit badguy is about to embark on a crime spree. Robbery,car jacking, and rape. He robs an old man beating him up and stealing his wallet. To get away he car jack's a teen for his wheels to escape. During his attempted escape police get on him and a chase begins. It ends with a violent crash that paralyzes a mother of 3. The badguy uninjured escapes. Knowing jail is coming soon he decides to rape a college girl for his last hurrah. What happens if the old man resists the robbery, pulls his pistol, and shoots the robber? No carjacking, no crash and paralysis, and no rape.

Now the old guy could lose. Very possible. It's the chance those of us who carry take every day to insure we have the means to keep our loved ones safe. Our sacrifice could one day save one of YOUR loved ones. Time to get off the sidelines and get in the game. Man up and do your part. It really isn't hard and the training is quite fun actually.

 

[Glitch]

I have mentioned some things, you mostly ignored that to focus on proper analogy making.

Actually, they were mostly ignored because they violated the US Constitution.

If you'd like comparisons:

U.S. Gun Policy: Global Comparisons

The United States is witnessing another year of record gun violence, raising domestic and international scrutiny of its comparatively loose gun laws and placing pressure on lawmakers to enact meaning…

www.cfr.org

But, if you asked me I would use Canada's system as a model.

No other nation, including Canada, has acknowledged the individual right to keep and bear arms, like the US has. Canada also has firearm registration and confiscation, which the Second Amendment prohibits.

Any government that requires a permit or license to exercise any individual right is infringing upon that right, and that is not allowed.

 

[Court Jester]

Any government that requires a permit or license to exercise any individual right is infringing upon that right, and that is not allowed.

I have always believed that our right to keep and bear arms exists without the bill of rights anyway. The 2nd Amendment is only there to protect a right we already had.

Some rights are natural rights, they don't come from governments.

 

[Chillfolks]

With respect:

Post something of substance sometime.

I treat your posts with twice the respect they deserve.

 

[Glitch]

I have always believed that our right to keep and bear arms exists without the bill of rights anyway. The 2nd Amendment is only there to protect a right we already had.

Some rights are natural rights, they don't come from governments.

It does indeed. All individual rights are inherent and exist with or without the acknowledgment of the US Constitution. Anything bestowed by the government is a privilege, since it can just as easily be taken away by government. Inherent rights can only be suppressed, never eliminated. Your liberty, for example, is your natural state of being. Government can suppress that liberty through confinement, but they can never take an inherent right from you.

 

[Antiwar]

I treat your posts with twice the respect they deserve.

With respect:

Try to put some substance into your commentairy. Say something political.

 

[Antiwar]

Any government that requires a permit or license to exercise any individual right is infringing upon that right, and that is not allowed.

With respect:

This is why right-libertarianism is absurd: the ideology of unlimited individual freedom. And that ideology is based on their beliefs about unlimited individual gun freedom. Why? Because right-libertarianism is based on conservatism, which is based on power differentials. Conservatism needs guns to try to control what they believe is theirs. Property, people, resources, "OUR country," etc, etc, etc.