What about those who don't believe in God?

[blarg]

Go ahead - accidentally break a glass of water, and see how it goes!
Furthermore, you know how many laws are involved?

No. That doesn't explain the issue at all!
The Big Bang is not an answer........unless you're saying the Big Bang is part of a "planned order."
A theist can see it that way, but not an atheist.

An accident (which atheists believe, is the cause of existence)........

......... will not create an ORGANIZED order that the whole universe will adhere to.




An accident does not involved any planning......an accident would instead, create chaos!


But chaos is not what we see. That's not what science discovered.
We see organization!
We see a universe "dancing to a tune," in-lined with whatever we may want to call it (law, rule, order, etc.,).


Where did the laws come from......

.......and why is the universe following those laws?

wouldn't chaos generate order as it randomly produces stuff seems that would select for things that stick around and keep acting the same way ?

mean while in your story the stable superpowered god is not planed or created and you don't bat an eye

 

[Quaestio]

I wish tosca1 would tone down the angry yelling. I just skip past anything like that, like I would avoid some nutter yelling "The end is nigh!" on the sidewalk.

 

[tosca1]

wouldn't chaos generate order as it randomly produces stuff seems that would select for things that stick around and keep acting the same way ?

mean while in your story the stable superpowered god is not planed or created and you don't bat an eye

Chaos is complete disorder and confusion! (google)


synonyms: disorder, disarray, disorganization, confusion, mayhem, bedlam, pandemonium, havoc, turmoil, tumult, commotion, disruption, upheaval, uproar, maelstrom;


Now you think chaos will generate order as it RANDOMLY produces???

You're talking about a miracle there! :lol:

 

[tosca1]

I wish tosca1 would tone down the angry yelling. I just skip past anything like that, like I would avoid some nutter yelling "The end is nigh!" on the sidewalk.

They're not in caps.....therefore, it's not yelling, nor is it angry.
They're emphasized......so they wouldn't be overlooked.


Skipping is done anyway - look how many given arguments are not even acknowledged, like as if they don't exists. meh. Whether they read or not - no difference there.

When they're stumped, they're stumped. They just pretend they aren't - by skipping it! :mrgreen:

 

[Quaestio]

They're not in caps.....therefore, it's not yelling, nor is it angry.
They're emphasized......so they wouldn't be overlooked.


Skipping is done anyway - look how many given arguments are not even acknowledged, like as if they don't exists. meh. Whether they read or not - no difference there.

When they're stumped, they're stumped. They just pretend they aren't - by skipping it! :mrgreen:

Yeah it's 'yelling' when you do it in large fonts, especially in red.

I seriously doubt anyone is 'stumped' by your posts.

They're just really annoying because of the formatting, so I usually don't even bother reading them.

 

[tosca1]

Yeah it's 'yelling' when you do it in large fonts, especially in red.

I seriously doubt anyone is 'stumped' by your posts.

They're just really annoying because of the formatting, so I usually don't even bother reading them.

You don't have to read them.
You don't have to respond either - just like you're responding now.

 

[Quaestio]

You don't have to read them.
You don't have to respond either - just like you're responding now.

Exactly. I only read and responded to the last one (and this one) because you used normal fonts

 

[blarg]

Chaos is complete disorder and confusion! (google)


synonyms: disorder, disarray, disorganization, confusion, mayhem, bedlam, pandemonium, havoc, turmoil, tumult, commotion, disruption, upheaval, uproar, maelstrom;


Now you think chaos will generate order as it RANDOMLY produces???

You're talking about a miracle there! :lol:

notting miraculous if your keep randomly making stuff your bound to throw out something that's stable by nature sooner or later

and now if you could explain why the uncreated accidental god is ok with you please

 

[blarg]

you don't have to read them.
You don't have to respond either - just like you're responding now.

ok then!

 

[tosca1]

Exactly. I only read and responded to the last one (and this one) because you used normal fonts

That's what you say about your "selective reading." But I prefer to see it you're avoiding something you can't rspond to.

The highlighted fonts are the real challenge to answer, are they not?
And, they also make a valuable point!


Anyway....to each his own.

 

[tosca1]

ok then!

Why do you need to highlight that? What value does that give to the issue? :mrgreen:
Is it likely to be lost, or over-looked with other statements?


You guys have to know "the art of large font/highlighting" usage.
Seems like......not everyone can do it. :mrgreen:

 

[Quaestio]

That's what you say about your "selective reading." But I prefer to see it you're avoiding something you can't rspond to. The highlighted fonts are the real challenge, are they not?


Anyway....to each his own.

YoU CAn 'pReFer to sEE it' anYwAy yOu waNt- DOesN't mEan yOu'Re nOt fOOlinG yOuRsElF!

 

[tosca1]

notting miraculous if your keep randomly making stuff your bound to throw out something that's stable by nature sooner or later

and now if you could explain why the uncreated accidental god is ok with you please

:roll:


Nature is part of the random stuff's that's been thrown out by chaos!
Why do you assume nature will "stable" them sooner or later? :lol:


You have so much faith in this thingy called, "nature?"

 

[tosca1]

YoU CAn 'pReFer to sEE it' anYwAy yOu waNt- DOesN't mEan yOu'Re nOt fOOlinG yOuRsElF!.

:roll:


See?
You responded with a post that has large fonts!
I suppose because there's no challenging questions to scare you off! :lol:

It's not fonts you're running away from! :lamo


Mind you, you can prove me wrong......

..........by answering the highlighted/enlarged questions from previous posts.



You can say anything you want.......but, what I prefer - that's for me to decide.

 

[blarg]

:roll:


Nature is part of the random stuff's that's been thrown out by chaos!
Why do you assume nature will "stable" them sooner or later? :lol:


You have so much faith in this thingy called, "nature?"

not sure it was chaotic to begin with

but if it was there would not be any rules in place preventing order from emerging

and one you haid stuff that tends to act in the same way it will tend to act in the same way and bam you got some order

 

[tosca1]

not sure it was chaotic to begin with

but if it was there would not be any rules in place preventing order from emerging

and one you haid stuff that tends to act in the same way it will tend to act in the same way and bam you got some order

If it's random - there's no planning - meaning, it's chaotic! Without order!

So make up your mind.
Are you saying the universe is created without any order (random), or with one? :lol:
You can't have it both ways, blarg.

but if it was there would not be any rules in place preventing order from emerging

But that's the point, is it?

There are rules......and the universe obeys those rules.....


Why does the universe adheres to the laws?
Like, why doesn't earth just go off from its axis like a pinball into outer space and beyond?
Why does gravity works so faithfully? Why does everything have to deteriorate? etc...,

and now if you could explain why the uncreated accidental god is ok with you please

If God is uncreated - He can't be "accidental," can He? :roll:

Even your questions make no sense. See the kind of opinions we get from atheists?

 

[marke]

notting miraculous if your keep randomly making stuff your bound to throw out something that's stable by nature sooner or later

and now if you could explain why the uncreated accidental god is ok with you please

Men invent gods but they have no way of actually seeing God if God really exists. So what do they do? They insist God is not real because they cannot see Him and the universe accidentally invented itself from nothing by some miraculous unknown and unknowable scientific way with no intelligent help from anyone.

 

[blarg]

If it's random - there's no planning - meaning, it's chaotic! Without order!

So make up your mind.
Are you saying the universe is created without any order (random), or with one? :lol:
You can't have it both ways, blarg.





But that's the point, is it?

There are rules......and the universe obeys those rules.....


Why does the universe adheres to the laws?
Like, why doesn't earth just go off from its axis like a pinball into outer space and beyond?
Why does gravity works so faithfully? Why does everything have to deteriorate? etc...,






If God is uncreated - He can't be "accidental," can He? :roll:

Even your questions make no sense. See the kind of opinions we get from atheists?

it could just have order because it has order like how your god would seem to work or it could be random and flip betin possible states which would seem to include self sustaining ordered ones

whys the god exist whys it set certain rules why dosent the god randomly mutate?

an uncreated god is not planed so it seems like it could be accidental i suppose if a god is possible chaos could produce one of those as well

or the universe or something outside of it that caused it could just exist but without a personality or self awareness

 

[blarg]

Men invent gods but they have no way of actually seeing God if God really exists. So what do they do? They insist God is not real because they cannot see Him and the universe accidentally invented itself from nothing by some miraculous unknown and unknowable scientific way with no intelligent help from anyone.

well if god existed there would be a possible way to know it could tell you it exists and seems like gods could exist but there's no reason they should because they have the same problem of being miraculous and unknowable and existing without intelligent help form anyone


wit the added burden of not being know to be possible in the 1st place unlike the universe and with the unknown to be possible traits of creating and or ordering matter and energy at will with some kind of immaterial mind that we also don't know is possible

 

[calamity]

Men invent gods but they have no way of actually seeing God if God really exists. So what do they do? They insist God is not real because they cannot see Him and the universe accidentally invented itself from nothing by some miraculous unknown and unknowable scientific way with no intelligent help from anyone.

Why is that so hard to accept as reasonable?

It seems to me to be a concept which is much easier to believe than blindly accepting as fact that the universe hinges on the whims of a sky daddy with a serious case of bipolar disorder.

 

[MrShangles]

I hear folks here say they don’t believe all this happened without some kind of intelligence, ok if we use that idea and everything was created by some THING, then where did this THING come from, is said THING a one of a kind, was it put here by another intelligent THING.
Either way sounds crazy, but here we are.


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[calamity]

I hear folks here say they don’t believe all this happened without some kind of intelligence, ok if we use that idea and everything was created by some THING, then where did this THING come from, is said THING a one of a kind, was it put here by another intelligent THING.
Either way sounds crazy, but here we are.


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Yes, the god-people insist that nothing can come from nothing and then evolve high intelligence through random mutations. But in the same breath, they insist the uber-intelligent sky daddy has been there forever, even before the first proton found its electron to form hydrogen. Talk about putting the cart in front of the horse.

 

[MrShangles]

Yes, the god-people insist that nothing can come from nothing and then evolve high intelligence through random mutations. But in the same breath, they insist the uber-intelligent sky daddy has been there forever, even before the first proton found its electron to form hydrogen. Talk about putting the cart in front of the horse.

But again here we are! But one day we will go the way if dinosaurs and all this stuff will just keep rolling along without us.


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[zyzygy]

Men invent gods but they have no way of actually seeing God if God really exists. So what do they do? They insist God is not real because they cannot see Him and the universe accidentally invented itself from nothing by some miraculous unknown and unknowable scientific way with no intelligent help from anyone.

Why would it need intelligent help?

 

[zyzygy]

I hear folks here say they don’t believe all this happened without some kind of intelligence, ok if we use that idea and everything was created by some THING, then where did this THING come from, is said THING a one of a kind, was it put here by another intelligent THING.
Either way sounds crazy, but here we are.


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